MacBook Pros in High Demand, Increased Mac Market Share?

[Phobophobia]

I don't think Steve wants to mess around with Windows--it takes away his ability to control the user experience.

Furthermore, Apple will continue to gain market share simply by making superior products. Allowing normal consumers to run Windows easily on macs would be very counterproductive.

It's not going to be very long before mac sales growth REALLY picks up. We don't need Windows.

 

[brepublican]

You need to explain yourself, How is having a dual boot of OSX and Windows not the same as running Windows on an Intel Mac?

Honestly, you make no sense at all...

From my understanding of dual booting, you would have to have the 2 OSes on the same HD. While its possible to run Windows on x86 Mac hardware by itself, its not the same thing when you try to run it in the presence of OS X. OS X has several security features that would need to be bypassed inorder for the system to boot. An OS 9/Windows combination is more likely to work because OS 9 has less security features than OS X. I'm trying to say its not as easy as you make it seem.

 

[pgwalsh]

Once you get a taste of that OS X goodness, why would you even want to dual-boot into Windows?

I wouldn't want to dual boot, but would love to run it in a window. Why? For testing things and helping people troubleshoot their Windows boxes. Same reason why I use VPC. I suppose if I were into gaming I'd want to dual boot and take advantage of the speed, which isn't so important for my use.

 

[mark88]

From my understanding of dual booting, you would have to have the 2 OSes on the same HD. While its possible to run Windows on x86 Mac hardware by itself, its not the same thing when you try to run it in the presence of OS X. OS X has several security features that would need to be bypassed inorder for the system to boot. An OS 9/Windows combination is more likely to work because OS 9 has less security features than OS X. I'm trying to say its not as easy as you make it seem.

Sorry mate, but I don't think you know what you're talking about. 'Running Windows in the presence of OS X' what exactly is that supposed to mean?

If you mean from within OS X then have you heard of a product called VirtualPC from Microsoft?

 

[brepublican]

Does that answer your question?

No. It seems to me that a better solution would be to press for a Mac version of VirtualDub... but thats just me. And I may be retarded, as you have already implied 🙄

 

[blueflame]

this whole thread has become rediculous

the simple idea is, you should be able to do whatever the hell you want to do on your computer. just like your acr. you can put low end gas in a bmw, or high grade, its up to you, and doesnt hurt anyone either way
andreas

 

[brepublican]

Sorry mate, but I don't think you know what you're talking about. 'Running Windows in the presence of OS X' what exactly is that supposed to mean?

If you mean from within OS X then have you heard of a product called VirtualPC from Microsoft?

Oh god I give up. This has nothing to do with how VPC works. Its more to do with the Startup Disk control...

 

[AidenShaw]

...not likely the disk...

I am wondering if the 7200RPM HDD in mine even makes it that much hotter?.

I upgraded the 100 GB 4200 RPM disk in my D600 to a 100 GB 7200 RPM (HTS721010G9ST00).

It isn't noticeably warmer than the old disk. (The disk area under the left palm is warm during use, but never hot - just like the old drive.)

We upgraded about a half dozen of these systems at the same time, and I've heard no complaints.

 

[swano]

Just us OSX, it actually WORKS when you need it to. I want to go on a huge reant about Windows sucking and OSX ruling but until you actually try OSX you won't know what you're missing...unless you like having to deal with crashes and viruses all the time.

 

[ejl10]

Anyone ever consider the flip side? If Apple allowed dual/tri boot, but didn't allow OS X to be installed on anything other than a Mac, they'd create a monopoly for the "universal computer." What's more, they'd enforce it with barriers to entry (e.g. no OS X for other PCs), which gives them a competitive advantage and puts them at odds with the law.

The best choice for Apple is to make a visible effort to prevent users from installing other OS's on their Macs (like they are doing) so they can argue that they're selling a complete computing experience... software and hardware that are inseparable from one another. Then, if the hacking community manages to find a way, they can at least claim that they did everything they could to prevent it, and that they are not actively generating the monopoly. Even better, if Microsoft itself changes the structure of Windows so it will boot on a Mac... hey, their fault, not ours.

The biggest threat Apple faces as they grow market share is lawsuits from Microsoft and/or other PC vendors claiming that they've created and are actively maintaining a monopoly with barriers to entry for other potential competitors. We've villianized Microsoft as the monopolist for a long time; they won't hesitate to return the favor. And its much harder to villainize an underdog than a big successful corporation.

 

[mark88]

No. It seems to me that a better solution would be to press for a Mac version of VirtualDub... but thats just me. And I may be retarded, as you have already implied 🙄

Oh right, and I'm really going to persude a software developer to create a mac version just for me?

That was only 1 of about 4 programs I use, I'll email the other and see what they say too eh?

 

[windmaomao]

Im not asking why people would want to do it. Im asking why do you HAVE to do it. Thats what was said. 🙄

that sounds identical to me 😱

 

[dontnoeya]

does anyone have a stock MBP that gets really hot?

 

[mark88]

Anyone ever consider the flip side? If Apple allowed dual/tri boot, but didn't allow OS X to be installed on anything other than a Mac, they'd create a monopoly for the "universal computer." What's more, they'd enforce it with barriers to entry (e.g. no OS X for other PCs), which gives them a competitive advantage and puts them at odds with the law.

But Microsoft aren't like Apple. Microsoft sell software, I don't think they are likely to object to anyone installing Windows on [WHATEVER] as long as they buy a license. And let's not forget, Microsoft have created VirtualPC, which in effect does create an all in one computer, especially when it's running on intel, so they can hardly complain.

I still think dual boot is of limited interest to most people. I kinda see your point tho..its double standards

 

[windmaomao]

Anyone ever consider the flip side? If Apple allowed dual/tri boot, but didn't allow OS X to be installed on anything other than a Mac, they'd create a monopoly for the "universal computer." What's more, they'd enforce it with barriers to entry (e.g. no OS X for other PCs), which gives them a competitive advantage and puts them at odds with the law.

The best choice for Apple is to make a visible effort to prevent users from installing other OS's on their Macs (like they are doing) so they can argue that they're selling a complete computing experience... software and hardware that are inseparable from one another. Then, if the hacking community manages to find a way, they can at least claim that they did everything they could to prevent it, and that they are not actively generating the monopoly. Even better, if Microsoft itself changes the structure of Windows so it will boot on a Mac... hey, their fault, not ours.

The biggest threat Apple faces as they grow market share is lawsuits from Microsoft and/or other PC vendors claiming that they've created and are actively maintaining a monopoly with barriers to entry for other potential competitors. We've villianized Microsoft as the monopolist for a long time; they won't hesitate to return the favor. And its much harder to villainize an underdog than a big successful corporation.

can't agree more. Some people just take what apple says too serious, like they don't prevent, yeright, they're against IMHO.

 

[winmacguy]

This is awesome news for Apple... Wish I had bought some of their shares back in the day! Maybe now isn't too late... 😎

Now is actually a pretty good time to buy AAPL
http://www.google.co.nz/search?oi=stock&q=stocks:AAPL&prev=/search?q=AAPL+&hl=en&lr=&sa=G

 

[ZildjianKX]

Apple lost a laptop sale from me when I went to law school since I was required to have a PC laptop for the test taking software...

It would really help the law school crowd at least, being able to boot windows on a mac.

 

[socamx]

The potential ability for the new Intel Macs to run Windows has drawn a lot of attention and controversy amongst Mac users.

Mmmm...flame wars. This thread is full of them.

Honestly if you require Windows for two or more very specific programs, just stick with Windows and forget OS X until your needs are met and stay with the computer that works for you. I'll take convenience of having all my programs running natively and proplerly instead of booting to another OS or running them in an environment that isn't native.

If I had a requirement to run very specific Windows programs that had absolutely no other alternative, I'd be running Windows right now. Depends on the importance of it, like the law school guy that needs to boot up a special way so that they only open a text editor.

To me it just simply is not convenient to have to do special things to run programs I need; I wouldn't be using a computer if it wasn't convenient for me.

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As for the marketshare rising...to be quite honest, I don't see Apple making significant increases anytime soon. I don't have any fact to back this up, just what I feel.

 

[jcrowe]

Apple != Dell

Not wanting to be negative or anything but Apple has a very very long way to go before it sell anywhere near as many computers as Dell.

IMO, Apple does not need to sell as many computers as Dell to be successful. Dell sells the PC equivalent of a Big Mac....Apple products are far more integrated and seamless, IMO. There's plenty of room for both approaches in the market place. To relate this to the notebook market specifically, Apple's offerings are now much more competative in this space and as more apps become native, the Macbook Pros will probably sell a lot more units generating more market share and more reason for developers to port apps to the Mac. I hope that Apple comes out with a 17" model by the end of 2006.....
Respectfully,
Joe Crowe

 

[Cubert]

I think that once someone uses a Mac for a short time, they realize that the need for it to run Windoze is a fictional one. People are just so afraid to get out of their comfort zone and take the first step. Apple needs to find a way to get people to try out OS X without buying a Mac first, besides having their own stores (which is a good start).

 

[socamx]

Apple needs to find a way to get people to try out OS X without buying a Mac first, besides having their own stores (which is a good start).

Schools and colleges are a good place to start. There is an all iMac G5 lab in my college and I have a couple classes in it; I am constantly surprising people that are long time Windows users with what they can do with the OS (I go around doing a lot of help for teachers and students that don't understand some things with Macs; it's good to know more about the OS than the average user).

Apple should go after more schools and colleges to adopt Macs instead of Windows-based PC's.

 

[quigleybc]

I'm not even gonna think about picking up an Intel machine for at least another year or so...


If I'm gonna spent that much $$, it must work perfectly, I don't want to be the guinnea pig and "find out" what works good and what doesn't...I have a ton of Apps and Pro Apps that will just be unusable the minute I buy an Intel machine..

And now I guess it is insanely hot...and who knows what other bugs will crawl out with this being the first of it's kind..

That being said, I can't wait for a rev B Intel Mac Book (iBook) by then everything should be caught up and ironed out...

$0.02

 

[gnasher729]

Exactly. Dual booting would almost certainly spell the end for the Mac OS, since software makers would only issue Windows versions. It seems people who are advocating dual booting would just love to see this happen.

Complete nonsense.

Any software company run by idiots who think they could stop selling a MacOS X version would get a bad surprise. If you tell any Macintosh owner that he can run a Windows version instead of a MacOS X version that used to be available, the response will be "F*** off", and that Mac user will go to a competitor.

 

[MarcelV]

Just a simple question...

All of those in this thread that are stating, you don't by a Mac till it runs Windows. Don't you alreday have a PPC Mac? I can't imagine all of you are running VPC. And when you don't run it now, why is it suddenly so important to you, now the machine runs on Intel? To me, this just doesn't make sense. Yes, there are certain programs that are used in the Windows world that are not available on the Mac and alternatives are not always compatible. For some that is an issue. But I have the feeling a lot of the people here are suddenly wanting Windows on it just because the new machines are running on Intel, without even a rational thinking. And let that even influence their buying?

 

[mark88]

I think that once someone uses a Mac for a short time, they realize that the need for it to run Windoze is a fictional one. People are just so afraid to get out of their comfort zone and take the first step. Apple needs to find a way to get people to try out OS X without buying a Mac first, besides having their own stores (which is a good start).

I don't understand this want that people have for everyone to switch to OS X. I like the fact that OS X has a smaller niche market.

The reasons Windows users have to deal with so many secuirty issues, viruses and spyware is because it has a 90% share!

Like many people here I prefer OS X to Windows, the difference between me and *some* of people on this board is that I seem to be able to understand why people want to use Windows, that some people actually prefer it and that OS X is not the be all and end all of operating systems.

Since I've been using OS X I've encountered so many ignorant views about Windows and why Macs are better. Half of them are just Mac elitist driffle. It's pathetic.