MacBook Pros in High Demand, Increased Mac Market Share?

[ChrisA]

Anyone use this program to run Windows on your MBP / iMac?
http://openosx.com/wintel/index.html

I don't hear much about it.

Wow, some guy is charging $60 for free software. QEMU is under GUN's GPL and is available with source code for free. GPL does not prohibit re-sale but it does required that anyone doing so must also give you a copy of the code for free if you ask. I guess they are depending on the fact that not many Mac users would know either (1) to ask or (2) what to do with source code.

There have been a number of successfull attempts to run Windows in a virtual environment on Intel Macs. But your average user does not want a free QEMM download, they'd actually prefer to go into a store and buy a $60 box so this may help.

Also for many people a computer is mostly used as a game console and a media player For then A virtual environment is of not use. They need to run on the actual grapic hardware to get reasonable frame rates in FPS games. They r the ones who need "dual boot"

 

[FoxyKaye]

There are some companies that pressing for OS X native installations of their programs will take a very long time to succeed, if ever. Another example is in the nonprofit sector - the best fundraising/development software on the market all runs on Windows, period. You can get OS X fundraising programs, but they're not nearly as robust or useful for querying donor and foundation records. In the meantime, nonprofits with Mac networks are using Citrix servers on Windows to run their development databases and allow access on Macs - and let me tell you that Citrix is hardly a solution, when it feels like working at all.

In the end Apple is a company that must make its shareholders happy. Steve's Cult of Personality aside, if it will make Apple more money to provide for installing Windows on its hardware, then it will happen. If it will make Apple more money to release a generic PC version of OS X, then it will happen. Apple's a corporation just like every other corporation out there - our rampant speculation and catty remarks to each other are just that. Apple has teams of folks to study the market - they'll make the decision that best produces profit in the short and long term.

 

[notjustjay]

No. It seems to me that a better solution would be to press for a Mac version of VirtualDub... but thats just me.

Sure, that's the solution to every problem in the software world, isn't it? I'll just "press for a Mac version" of ScenalyzerLive and ACDSee, and Microsoft Exchange, and every online commerce website that requires Internet Explorer, and ...

I suppose I could also single-handedly destroy Apple's advantage in digital media editing by "pressing for a Windows version" of Final Cut Pro, too.

 

[p0intblank]

This is Apple's big chance to gain some big market share! If only Windows XP was EFI-based, rather than BIOS. I know that may sound evil, but this article proves a good point. People are willing to buy a Mac if it can run Windows... that way the user would be in familiar territory AND they would get to learn a new and better OS. 🙂

At least the love for the Mac is increasing, though. I want more people to use Macs and appreciate the greatness they have to offer.

 

[gnasher729]

Because some people HAVE to run Windows. And if you're going to run it on something, having one box to use Windows AND MacOS, a Mac is one helluva lot better than a grey/black/red/green/chunder coloured PC.

There are also people who actually _prefer_ Windows. They are not at all interested in running MacOS X. And quite a few of those people would like to own a Mac Mini, or an iMac, or a MacBook Pro, just for the quality of the hardware. An Apple computer that can _boot_ Windows (not dual boot, just Windows and nothing else) would sell in considerable numbers.

 

[Kingsly]

I would love to see Apple gain more market share, and I think (unfortunately) running windows is the answer. [fingers crossed]If Apple hits $103 I will be very happy, as I watched in terror as all my AAPL fell after MWSF 06![/fingers crossed]

 

[mozmac]

I've been a mac user since 1995. My new job that I started on January required that I get a Windows laptop. I've fallen in love with my ThinkPad, however, I long for the day that I will be able to go back to using an Apple notebook. Apple needs to either make it really easy to install Windows on their machines or they need to dump tons of money into the Wine project so that we could have EVERYTHING (OS X, Windows, and Linux) all on one machine. When that happens, Apple's market share will shoot through the roof.

I would like to backup the survey that said more college students are switching to Macs. I've noticed the same shift here on my campus. It used to be the when I saw another Mac user, I could talk to them and expect them to be a Pro user. Now I don't even bother to stop and talk to them, because so many of them are Windows switchers that don't really know too much about Apples. I'm not shunning them...welcome to the Mac world!...however, I know that I won't be able to have an in depth Apple discussion with them.

 

[keysersoze]

Seriously, why run Windows on a Mac?

Are there not enough hardware manufactures that support Windows exclusively? Why people even run windows anymore is beyond me.

Remember the old, "How many licks does it take to get to the center of a tootsie pop?" commercial?

It should be, "How man clicks does it take to remove a program from your computer?"

windows >> START > CONTROLPANEL > ADD/REMOVE PROGRAMS > PROGRAM NAME >> CLICK REMOVE >> CLICK ARE YOUR SURE >> YOU MUST REBOOT FOR THESE CHANGES TO TAKE EFFECT!


Total 6 clicks ( +too long of delay from rebooting)

apple os x >> FINDER > APPLICATIONS > DRAG-N-DROP TO TRASH

Total 3 clicks

This is only one point in too many to mention, as to why OS X is far more Superior than Windows.

Running Windows is like going inside of Mcdonalds to place an order!
Running OS X is express access thru the Drive-Thru!

Is it lunch yet?

ummm... you forgot:

1. Find Regedit
2. Run Regedit
3. Search for any/all bits and entries pertaining to your "uninstalled" software
4. Delete it.
5. Pray.



😀

 

[sunfast]

I think that once someone uses a Mac for a short time, they realize that the need for it to run Windoze is a fictional one. People are just so afraid to get out of their comfort zone and take the first step. Apple needs to find a way to get people to try out OS X without buying a Mac first, besides having their own stores (which is a good start).

This is a really good point. I was nervous about losing windows when I switched. Heard so many good things about OS X (all true I can now confirm!) but didn't dare splash out for a brand new mac. Hence eBay. But would definitely buy a new mac now.

 

[gnasher729]

Why would you want to run windows on a mac? Isnt that the whole point of switching? To get away from windows. People are totally missing the point of owning a mac in the first place. 🙄

Given the choice of running Windows on an ugly pile of black plastic from Dell, or running Windows on a beautiful looking iMac, many people would prefer running Windows on the iMac. An iMac is a computer that you can set up in the living room without being shouted at by the wife. That alone would be a reason for many dedicated Windows users to by an iMac.

 

[roxnadz]

And let's not forget. Certain 'elements' of this forum think OS X is better and that once someone uses OS X 'why use Windows again'....

Not realising there are millions of people who actually prefer Windows over OS X and use it out of choice.

For many, this "choice" is because they simply don't know any better. When all you know is Windows, what are you most likely to be comfortable with?

I first tried switching in 2001...got myself a TiBook and it mostly sat on the desk and collected dust. Finally ended up selling it off to someone. I had plenty of reasons - I liked (rather, dealt with) Windows, not enough Mac apps, etc.

So I tried switch again in 2004, this time to a much faster AlBook. There were more Mac-native apps, and for what I was doing, a Mac far suited me better than Windows. I was hooked. I even gave up playing games on laptops running Windows because I simply got more work done on the Mac and games were secondary. Now, that said, if more games were out on Mac, that'd be a fine, fine thing...even less reason to use a Windows box.

I already know I'm going to have a Rev B MacBook...I've already got the money budgeted for it whenever it comes out.

I, at first, thought that dual-booting Windows would be a great idea, but now I'm not so sure...because yes, big software development houses are lazy as hell, and little software development houses don't have the coin to push software out for multiple platforms. You can already see a big example with Adobe - "hey, Photoshop CS2 runs great under Rosetta, so we'll wait until CS3 to go Universal Binary." Don't think that others aren't watching this and planning their rollouts accordingly. If the MacBook becomes another Windows laptop, then OSX-native apps will decline, due to the points listed above.

We'll see, though. A Darwine/WineHQ solution would work best for me, I think.

 

[socamx]

Since I've been using OS X I've encountered so many ignorant views about Windows and why Macs are better. Half of them are just Mac elitist driffle. It's pathetic.

So true, but that said...there is also all the Linux/Unix/Windows elitist driffle. It goes full circle.

One reason I avoid posting on these forums are the large amounts of Mac elitists that are ready to tear people apart that begin to mention something in the least bit negative about Apple and/or OS X. Hand in hand with that is also the trolls that sign up that are Windows elitists just to smack talk Macs.

This thread is a good example of some elitists. The posts that have some logical thought into them get overlooked by the elitist posts mucking up everything.

Maybe I should just stop posting here...

 

[Rivix]

Im a university student, and I want a MacBook Pro 😀

 

[ChrisA]

I think that once someone uses a Mac for a short time, they realize that the need for it to run Windoze is a fictional one. People are just so afraid to get out of their comfort zone and take the first step. Apple needs to find a way to get people to try out OS X without buying a Mac first, besides having their own stores (which is a good start).

You see the exact same thing with people starting to think about using Linux. At first they think they want a dual boot machine and that they can't live without Windows then after a while they find they are not using Windows because re-boting the machine is just to much hassel. Then they discover that Windows can run as a guest OS under Linux in a verual environment

The real problem is that people really don't know much about computers they think they will have to start over again and learn everything all over. There have been some experiments where the IT staf has swaped out Windows 2000 runing IE and Office for Linux running Open Office and Firefox and in many cases the uses din't notice. they were just told it's "the new version" and the funny part is the ones who were the least knowagable about computers where the ones who adapted. I've though for a long thime that a Linux box would be the best thing for giving to your grandmother, just don't tell her the root password and you'll never have the fix the computer for her.

At home we still have one PC. The disk smoked so when I re-built it put Open Office on it in place of the old copy of Office I had. So far the wife and kids have not noticed.

Swap the words "Mac OS X" for linux and the abbove would stil be true

 

[matznentosh]

The ONLY reason people want Windows on a Mac is because they want to use programs made for Windows. Put Windows on a Mac and kiss your reliability and security goodbye.

Um. No. I work at a place in which IT only allows windows machines. I cannot use my mac at work as a result. If I had a Macintel that could run windows - and it has to be Windows 2000 - they would let me set it up.

This isn't a question of loyalties or correct vs incorrect platforms. It is about keeping a computer system that works well for me, but being able to use it at work with the requirements for a specific kind of system.

 

[YoNeX]

Throw my two cents:

1. The possiblity of whatever you want to call it, run Windows in emulation, dual boot, is essential for the time being. One reason, is Adobe will not have a UB out for a while, now the only way to run adobe software (most of them), is to dual boot (or other methods) to run Adobe software at native speed. Now, you going to tell me that I'm not "supposed" to do this, just because I want to run Adobe software at native speed.

2. There are other pro applications and hell, even freeware apps that are not avaliable yet or never will be avaliable for OS X, so what am I suppose to do? Just buy another computer for the sole purpose of using that one software, when I spend 2K+ on a notebook that I can boot into Windows and run the app.

3. The so called "switchers" you say it, the ones using Windows generally have A LOT of Windows softwae, so you are telling all those people that bought those software to shove it? They have to buy all those software for Macs just because you don't like the idea of Windows being run on a Mac?

4. If the OS X software is so great (yes I do agree its great, but not "excellent", like every OS, still has problems and issues), why will people switch to Windows? You don't need to yell at me that OS X is better than Windows, I know it is better in some ways. Just let them eXPerience (no pun intended 😉) OS X, and they won't have to go back to Windows. If you are arguing why they switch to Windows, it seems you lack confidence in OS X delivering the experience.

I'll end with these two note:

It is MY COMPUTER, I will do what I want to do with it, If I want to install Windows, I will do it. If I want to install a linux distro, I will do it.

Just because something doesn't seem useful to you, does not mean it may not be useful for others. I hate to use a cliche, but here it goes:
"One man's trash, is another man's treasure."

So be able to accept change, nobody likes it, but change is coming. You do not need to put down others for wanting to try new things, but greet them with courtesy. Apple thinks differently, are you going to think differently and allow for new people to join the Apple family, or are you going to be a sheep and follow the ideas of the bandwagon and reject ideas of other operating systems?

 

[MrCrowbar]

My old HDD in my lame 3 yr old XP laptop was often above 55°C. I have a little tool called "HDtune" (Windows) that monitors temperature in the task bar. Once when downloading overnight, this thing crossed the deadly 60°C line and the loud sound it produced woke me up. However I was able to back up the content on my external drive before the internal HDD died only minutes later. And that was a 40GB 4200rpm 2,5" hard drive. I replaced it with a new Seagate (same brand as in Apple books) with the same specs, and this one runs 10°C cooler.

So here are my tips for a cool laptop:

- use SLOW HDDs (4200rpm). Acess time is a bit worse, but your HDD will live longer, eat less battery life, be cooler less noisy when idling.
- use HDDs with a lot of cache. This makes the HDD head less jumpy.
- allow the HDD to spin down when not in use. (But don't set the timeout too low. 10 minutes are ok)
- upgrade your RAM. Seriously, put as much RAM in your laptop as possible.
- avoid copying/moving multiple files at once or using p2p applications with miltiple files. Doing this causes the HDD head to jump between the different files thus pruducing heat.
- use expensive and quite HDDs in laptops. These run cooler than cheap ones most of the time.
- Let you mac run at night (3 am) or run extra appls to defragment the HDD.

 

[adroit]

Um. No. I work at a place in which IT only allows windows machines. I cannot use my mac at work as a result. If I had a Macintel that could run windows - and it has to be Windows 2000 - they would let me set it up.

This isn't a question of loyalties or correct vs incorrect platforms. It is about keeping a computer system that works well for me, but being able to use it at work with the requirements for a specific kind of system.

My thought exactly.

Most companies/schools are still running windows and will be running windows.

I am a university student, and I just can't afford to buy another window machine just to do my assignments.

 

[ScubaDuc]

Um. No. I work at a place in which IT only allows windows machines. I cannot use my mac at work as a result. If I had a Macintel that could run windows - and it has to be Windows 2000 - they would let me set it up.

This isn't a question of loyalties or correct vs incorrect platforms. It is about keeping a computer system that works well for me, but being able to use it at work with the requirements for a specific kind of system.

I fully agree with you although I also see the point of other posts that worry about developers not supporting OSX. However, even for home use, there are some peripheral, new ones too (marked OSX) that don't fully work with OSX. An example is my Brother MFC. I bought it because I really wanted a scanner with pagefeeder and working via ethernet. With OSX3.9, the scanning function only works via USB although it prints via ethernet/wi-fi ( don't care though since I have a magicolor). With Windooze, it also scans via Wi-Fi to any (window) PC in the network. It is totally out of the question that I engage in redundant activities, like plugging and unplugging USB devices...I wanna scan from the scanner!!! 😡 My Aladin air is only compatible with windows too. So, do I have to keep a PC desktop just for the scanner or can I buy a new intel PowerMac instead of a Mini and a Pentium D?

 

[bevo]

I know more than a few people who would gladly go back to owning a mac or would purchase their first mac if they could also install or windows applications on there mac.

Many have put buying a new computer because they heard that apple would be moving to an intel platform. But since they went and made it fairly difficult to near impossible to install windows on any new intel machine now, some have put their money into buying another dell or compaq.


I think its rediculous. Apple just isn't selling OSX with its hardware, they're seeling prebuilt computers. They have the potential to cross a dividing line that could build a greater base of users.

 

[dwsolberg]

Another

If you let Windows people dual boot, then it really is a contest between operating systems. If people enjoy using the Mac system, they'll buy applications for the Mac. If they enjoy using the Windows system, they'll buy applications for Windows. I believe that OS X is the best system by far, so I'm more than happy to let people decide for themselves. In other words, by giving people a real choice, you allow them to do what's best for them. Software companies will make what people buy, so you don't need to worry about that.

By the way, I need to run the latest version of SPSS and a few other speciality programs, so right now I use a Windows computer in addition to my PowerBook.

Also, I have a friend who wants to buy a Mac and just use Windows on it. That's okay by me because he's a Windows programming guy and has no other use for Apple's computer. It pads Apple's bottom line and provides a little extra exposure to Apple's products that wouldn't otherwise happen. Who knows, maybe he'll start to like the Mac.

 

[GHM73]

Retort

Running Windows on a Mac would be like replacing the steering wheel on a Ferrari with banana. Why cripple a sophisticated machine with an unusable user interface.

 

[Craigy]

Because some people HAVE to run Windows. And if you're going to run it on something, having one box to use Windows AND MacOS, a Mac is one helluva lot better than a grey/black/red/green/chunder coloured PC.

read the thread, and you'll see the same answer, 25 or more times. 🙄

I'll give my 26th reason then as well 🙂

We run a web design company, mainly specialising in databse driven stuff. Our customers use MS SQL Server and we have to be able to access it and design for it. We run Enterprise manager unit VPC on out machines and laptops. We also need to check browser compatibility cross platform.

We do not want to run hardware PCs so VPC is a fantastic solution for us and many others.

 

[AidenShaw]

less "sophisticated" ?? too much kool-aid

Running Windows on a Mac would be like replacing the steering wheel on a Ferrari with banana. Why cripple a sophisticated machine with an unusable user interface.

In case you haven't noticed, there's virtually no hardware difference between an MBP and a ThinkPad Core Duo other than the color....

An Apple laptop uses the same commodity components as the other Intel books.

You win the prize for the worst automotive analogy yet posted on this forum! 🙂

 

[Whiteapple]

Running Windows on a Mac would be like replacing the steering wheel on a Ferrari with banana. Why cripple a sophisticated machine with an unusable user interface.

Actually, I would prefer a banana and a engine that doesnt blow up, rather than a nice alu-designed wheel and have to replace the engine every two weeks. Bad example.

It is true that windows is not perfect, OSX isnt either. Up to now, the only thing i reproached to OSX was that it wasnt very snappy, but that may come from the 4200rpm HDD of my ibook, lets see what i'll get with a 7200rpm macbook