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FYI, FireWire disk mode tends to result in higher-than-idle operating temperatures and higher fan speeds, so that's not surprising.

I'm glad you're enjoying your new MacBook Pro :)

Oh, okay! In normal operation the MB doesn't get very hot. Now when I'm encoding a video or something. . . watch out! That sucker heats up. Still not as hot as my old 12-inch PowerBook though. That thing would heat up if I watched a flash animation. Fans on all the time. Still a great little machine, though, and living a happy second life as my friend's mobile DJ rig.
 
What Im wondering about are colors. I've heard that LED displays aren't up to par with LCD's?

LED-displays are LCDs... And there should be no negative impact on colors, since the panel is the same. The thing that is different is the backlight. And LED's usually give more uniform illumination. With normal backlight some parts of the screen are brighter than others. With LED's it's more even.
 
LED, LCD, CCFL explained

Hello everyone.

I've noticed a fair number of posters asking questions like "what are the differences between LED and LCD colour display.."

As there seems to be a little bit of confusion surrounding the display technology, the back lighting systems, and the terminology, I thought that a quick post would help clear up some of the confusion.

First the acronyms:
1) LED (Light Emmiting Diode)
2) LCD (Liquid Crystal Display)
3) CCFL (Cold Cathode Flourescent Lamps)

And what they are used for:
1) LED's and CCFL's are both back lighting systems. They only provide the light for the display. LED's are more energy efficient than CCFL's and will not suffer from fading over time.
2) LCD's are the actual display panels themselves and are responsible for showing the images, LCD's do not (on their own) have any form of light output.

If anyone is curious about using LED's as a light source just go to your local hardware store and check out the LED flashlights that are out. These flashlights produce a very bright white light and run forever on a single set of batteries. I have a Craftsman LED flashlight which runs on 4 AA batteries. On a recent run test the flashlight stayed lit for over 10 days before the light finally became too dim to be useful.

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shame they aren't bragged about being significantly brighter.

Why would they need to? Displays are becoming *too* bright nowadays, for a working graphics designer anyway. Ever seen dark pictures in a newspaper? That's because the designer used an overly bright monitor.

Color accuracy is far more important than brightness.

Not too impressed with the battery boost - come on, only 30-60 minutes? And what about in real life?

60 minutes more to previous 330 minutes is a +18% performance boost. How much would be enough? +50% or should it have been doubled at once?
 
So I just popped into the Tokyo Apple Store as they were changing to the new MBPs and the screen looks amazing, though there is very little variation between the new MPB and its predecessor ...kind of happy because I have the predecessor and hate when things go out of date so quickly!
 
WOOOOOOOOHOOOOOOOO!!!

These things are AWESOME!!! It came so close to what I was really hoping for! Basically the only thing that could be better is a 512MB GPU, but a 256MB 8600M GT is damn good!

And, best of all, the to 15" MBP is over AU$300 less than the old ones were. Well, at least it is for me. Maybe it's the exchange rate, but whatever it is, That is AWESOME!


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well i did it. went to the apple store this evening, bought a new revision of the MBP.

I'm more impressed with the LED screen than i thought it would be. It is phenomenal... the improvements are clearly visable (compared to my old PB G4 and my fiance's MBP C2D Rev B). I'm extremely happy with my new MBP's performance and again, the new screen is amazing.

Only problems noted so far is that when closed, it doesn't close evenly, the screen on the right of the magnetic locking mechanism appears to deviate upwards from the base of the machine. (purely aesthetic, no performance issue), and that it gets hot. but im overall happy. This was the update i'd been waiting for.
 
Ordered mine today! I'm so glad I waited for this update. totally worth it!

Exactly, me too! when the store went online again I checked the new specs. This was what I was waiting for so I ordered the same day.
I was already waiting for a couple of months, first to get Leopard and maybe a hardware update. When Leopard was delayed I waited for the hardware update. Leopard can also be installed at its release. I do hope there is like a discountcoupon or something like that.

We did well.:D
 
but I have yet to see a laptop screen go before the machine needs to be updated anyway.

I have a 3.5 year old PB 17 and it is definitely dimmer than when purchased. Likewise, now that it is out of AppleCare, the display flickers. I don't know if it is connection/hinge related, backlight related or something else (any ideas?).

Anyway, the flickering will be what prompts me to get one of the new MBPs. (Excluding the lust factor). It runs perfectly except the display... ;-)
 
LED Displays, longer battery life, faster processors, more RAM, and a faster video card....

...looks like it might be time to upgrade my 2GHz MacBook Pro. :) :cool: :apple:
 
Are repairs replaced with LED?

Due to my business travel I have yet to get my MBP 15 into an Apple Store to have the display repaired due to a faulty part underneath the F5 key. The display also has a very faint gray vertical area on the right side area. It also sizzles at times. I plan on bringing it in for repair this Friday. Anyone know if older MBP 15 can get the new LED display?
 
LED's ... will not suffer from fading over time.

That's true for conventional LEDs (the little red and green lights that show up in many consumer electronic devices).

However, for the high-intensity "white" LEDs, there's more to it than meets the eye. For one thing, they output more energy and operate at a slightly higher operating temperature. (Not as hot as conventional light bulbs, mind you!) So the electronics will decay more quickly than their low-intensity counterparts.

Secondly, conventional LEDs generally emit a very narrow spectrum of light. Originally, we only knew how to produce red LEDs. Then we figured out how to do green, yellow, etc, and most recently blue. The white LEDs have traditionally worked by internally using a conventional narrow-band light source, but at a very high intensity. Typically it's either blue or ultraviolet. The inner wall of the LED is coated in a phosphorous material which glows when it's exposed to such light. The glowing phosphor is what we see, and it tends to look white, sometimes with a slight blue hue (depending on how broad a spectrum is truly being generated by the glowing phosphor). The material loses potency over time as it glows. So eventually, it will appear to fade. That's not because the LED's electronics are necessarily broken -- it's just that the phosphorous material has run out.
 
Perhaps, but I have yet to see a laptop screen go before the machine needs to be updated anyway.

I was given an IBM laptop that had previously been used in some office (so it's clocked up some serious on time) in 2001. The machine was from 1998 and the monitor is only noticeably yellow now. My PowerBook is 3 years old and it's fine n' dandy too. So I'm in the same boat as you :) they do seem to last a long time.
 
Due to my business travel I have yet to get my MBP 15 into an Apple Store to have the display repaired due to a faulty part underneath the F5 key. The display also has a very faint gray vertical area on the right side area. It also sizzles at times. I plan on bringing it in for repair this Friday. Anyone know if older MBP 15 can get the new LED display?

Probably not. There probably some circuitry differences due to the difference in power requirements between the two.

I would be curious to see if the LED displays are meant to be drop-in replacements for CCFL displays.
 
SR MBP ship time up

Yesterday it was 1-3 days...this morning it's 3-5. Glad I ordered mine yesterday.
 
First Impressions of new 15"MBP

I picked up the new 15" with TFT (non-glossy) display yesterday morning. I too was excited about the LED displays as well as Santa Rosa, etc. Stepping up from a PBG4, it was time. FWIW, even the folks in the store were unaware that the new units (not yet on display but in stock) had LED displays. Here are just my observations.

I admit that I went with the 15" over the 17" because of the LEDs (both 160G HD) and a concern for use while flying (coach). My current 15" works but I thought the 17" would not be able to be open when the seat in front reclines. I fly enough for this to be a concern. To my surprise my current 15" is taller than the new 15" by about an inch. The new 15" is wider. At the store, the 17" stands about an inch taller than the new 15". So all in all, the difference between the new 17" and my old 15" height-wise is near nill (error 1).

But my real issue with the new 15" (AND I KNOW IT COULD BE JUST WITH THIS ONE UNIT) is that the LEDs may not be even in brightness. Particularly, I notice uneven illumination along the bottom almost like subtle shadows that form along the bottom of a near flat curtain. It is subtle but when compared to my older mac is noticeable. I have pointed this out to several colleagues and they then notice the effect as well. I also think that this issue exists in the upper right-hand corner of the screen but this is more difficult to pinpoint. My firm uses LEDs in the manufacture of our electronics and we know that LEDs vary in uniformity. This might be what I am experiencing. Again, it could be one rouge display that isn't perfect.

I also noticed something else when I accidentally shook my desk. While my existing Mac holds the image brightness constant, the new display shakes with the movement of the vibration. To be clear, the brightness (maybe contrast vibrates) while my older Mac holds steady. This would bother me on a flight during even minimal turbulence.

Finally, unrelated to illumination, the left side of the computer upon which you rest the palm of your left hand gets quite warm. I can't say how long it took to warm up (say at least a few hours) but I for one found it uncomfortable.

As for the rest of the machine, there is a great deal to love and the firewire between two macs setup was as painless as you could hope for. I strongly suggest not using this feature for transferring programs (that works less than ideally and the feature is selectable). Other than that, I admit that the rest of the time spent with the machine was deleting all of my transfered files and data as I will be exchanging the unit for the 17". Frankly, I don't know if the LED thing is just on this unit or potentially on other units. Secondly, the warming up issue I doubt is specific to just this one machine. And lastly, the 17" most likely dissipates heat better (larger surface area) while opening as tall as my current 15" so that issue in reality doesn't exist.

One last note, while I expected the battery size to increase (as compared to an old Titanium PB G4), I was surprised at how large the transformer has become. Both the spare battery and transformer will now take the space in my laptop rolling bag that was occupied by my 80G external hard-drive. Space I was hoping to save. Oh well.

In closing, I reference these remarks as only my experience with just one sample. I would like to hear the impressions of others (once you get over the "I Love It - It's New" factor...took me a while to become critical).
 
Not too impressed with the battery boost - come on, only 30-60 minutes? And what about in real life?

Well, since I can only use my MBP for about 2 - 2.5 hours running the programs I need, an extra hour or so is quite a significant boost. 25-35% more battery life is great. Definitely a noticable difference.
 
Sorry if this has been said before, but I suspect the lack of 17" LEDs is b/c they're still too expensive. I could be totally wrong so don't quote me on it.

Kinda hope Apple releases new ACDs as well w/ the LED backlighting and higher resolutions. I remember someone saying in a different thread that the 17" MBP is higher-res than the 20" ACD. I wonder how high the res can go in a 30" ACD (disregarding the limits of dual-link DVI). Isn't the highest DPI something like 20 dpi?
 
I picked up the new 15" with TFT (non-glossy) display yesterday morning. I too was excited about the LED displays as well as Santa Rosa, etc. Stepping up from a PBG4, it was time. FWIW, even the folks in the store were unaware that the new units (not yet on display but in stock) had LED displays. Here are just my observations.

I admit that I went with the 15" over the 17" because of the LEDs (both 160G HD) and a concern for use while flying (coach). My current 15" works but I thought the 17" would not be able to be open when the seat in front reclines. I fly enough for this to be a concern. To my surprise my current 15" is taller than the new 15" by about an inch. The new 15" is wider. At the store, the 17" stands about an inch taller than the new 15". So all in all, the difference between the new 17" and my old 15" height-wise is near nill (error 1).

But my real issue with the new 15" (AND I KNOW IT COULD BE JUST WITH THIS ONE UNIT) is that the LEDs may not be even in brightness. Particularly, I notice uneven illumination along the bottom almost like subtle shadows that form along the bottom of a near flat curtain. It is subtle but when compared to my older mac is noticeable. I have pointed this out to several colleagues and they then notice the effect as well. I also think that this issue exists in the upper right-hand corner of the screen but this is more difficult to pinpoint. My firm uses LEDs in the manufacture of our electronics and we know that LEDs vary in uniformity. This might be what I am experiencing. Again, it could be one rouge display that isn't perfect.

I also noticed something else when I accidentally shook my desk. While my existing Mac holds the image brightness constant, the new display shakes with the movement of the vibration. To be clear, the brightness (maybe contrast vibrates) while my older Mac holds steady. This would bother me on a flight during even minimal turbulence.

Finally, unrelated to illumination, the left side of the computer upon which you rest the palm of your left hand gets quite warm. I can't say how long it took to warm up (say at least a few hours) but I for one found it uncomfortable.

As for the rest of the machine, there is a great deal to love and the firewire between two macs setup was as painless as you could hope for. I strongly suggest not using this feature for transferring programs (that works less than ideally and the feature is selectable). Other than that, I admit that the rest of the time spent with the machine was deleting all of my transfered files and data as I will be exchanging the unit for the 17". Frankly, I don't know if the LED thing is just on this unit or potentially on other units. Secondly, the warming up issue I doubt is specific to just this one machine. And lastly, the 17" most likely dissipates heat better (larger surface area) while opening as tall as my current 15" so that issue in reality doesn't exist.

One last note, while I expected the battery size to increase (as compared to an old Titanium PB G4), I was surprised at how large the transformer has become. Both the spare battery and transformer will now take the space in my laptop rolling bag that was occupied by my 80G external hard-drive. Space I was hoping to save. Oh well.

In closing, I reference these remarks as only my experience with just one sample. I would like to hear the impressions of others (once you get over the "I Love It - It's New" factor...took me a while to become critical).


Since you're coming from a powerbook, your comments make sense. THe old powerbooks were completely evenly illuminated compared to the MBPs. Have you looked at the 17" MBPs with a solid desktop - talk about uneven! I had one and generally liked the display and the machine was top notch, but the screen was definitely not evenly illuminated. the 15" older revision MBP have also been terrible in terms of evenness. Your comments are similar to what I felt last year when I moved from a powerbook G4 1.67 (low resolution one) to the first MBP. This year I've learned to at least accept the decline in quality of Apple products. I'm sure the LED lit displays are much better than what came before, but maybe that's not saying much.
 
Since you're coming from a powerbook, your comments make sense. THe old powerbooks were completely evenly illuminated compared to the MBPs. Have you looked at the 17" MBPs with a solid desktop - talk about uneven! I had one and generally liked the display and the machine was top notch, but the screen was definitely not evenly illuminated. the 15" older revision MBP have also been terrible in terms of evenness. Your comments are similar to what I felt last year when I moved from a powerbook G4 1.67 (low resolution one) to the first MBP. This year I've learned to at least accept the decline in quality of Apple products. I'm sure the LED lit displays are much better than what came before, but maybe that's not saying much.

Well that is good news (I suppose). In that case, the issues I am having with the display may be mute completely. Bummer.
 
So many posts, and not one person seems happy!
May I be the first person to say:
WOOOOOOOOHOOOOOOOO!!!

Yay Apple!

And they are lighter, with a really nice boost to battery life. Cheers all 'round.

Gotta get myself one.

I completely agree...some people are never happy or satisfied
 
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