I'm afraid not:
M1 single-core is consistently over 1700.
It is most likely that the M1 Pro/Max use the same Firestorm/Ice Storm cores as the M1.
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MacBook Pro's M1 Max GPU is Over 3x Faster Than M1 in First Metal Benchmark
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M1 single-core is consistently over 1700.
It is most likely that the M1 Pro/Max use the same Firestorm/Ice Storm cores as the M1.
As a non-game developer (part time) for Windows and Mac/iPad/iPhone I am curious about what are the things that requires most effort in porting a game.
For "normal" development I would say that it is the frameworks (API) rather than any architectural differences. But I was under the impression that the situation was better in this regard for games, with game engines that are available on both platforms?
Geekbench v4 and v5 are totally different metrics. You can't compare different machines using different benchmarks.
The best (2.8GHz 2015 MBP15) has these single/multi-core scores:
So your new machine will be almost twice as fast in single-core and four times as fast in multi-core.
It clearly says M1 Max with 32 iGPU cores, 10 CPU cores and 64GB RAM. It's expected of companies to send their best to reviewers.
https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/compute/3551790
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Then you go build a game, put 100% into it, market it, drum up business n this environment and watch the cubic bucks roll in…oh wait, they aren’t rolling in? What? But it’s the best ever and it’s not selling? Huh, that’s crazy! Yeah, come back to me and let me know how easy it is to sell a game in this market when you’re not Epic, EA or Activision/Blizzard sucking the life out of the available cash with micro transactions for masks and weapons upgrades. It’s tough out there, really tough. Been through it and it was brutal to watch a lot of hard work get met with “meh” and “hey look, squirrel!” The games market is incredibly tough to succeed in now. You try it too and I guarantee you will learn some empathy and humility.
It looks like the 32 core GPU on the M1 Max pumps out 10.4TF, which roughly compares to the nVidia 2080 or the AMD Vega 56. That's fairll impressive considering Apple's past performance on graphics. I would think they'd put it on par with the Nvidia 3000 generation GPUs... but maybe next year. The 3060 puts out 12.74 TFLOPS...
I am sure your situation is shared by many but there are a lot of iOS developers who will start to consider Mac as a potential market for their games as the number of capable Macs owned by the right demographic grows.
Currently, my personal setup is a $2K Mac mini sitting on a $3K computer stand (Windows gaming computer). I am hopeful that some day a single computer can meet both needs. I think the direction Apple is taking has improved the chances of that happening.
Oh don’t get me wrong. Other than games and Visual Studio, I HATE Windows. I would definitely like the full VS experience on Mac and more games so I can get rid of my windows system.
please stop giving the guy ACTUAL facts..hed prefer to make up his own..
This is literally 488x faster than the iGPU in my 2011 MacBook Pro which I'm still holding on to (probably more, as there are no metal scores for Intel HD 3000, so I compared to the 4000 series)! I'll probably upgrade in the next year or two, but it's insane how far things have progressed in just ten years.
like somebody else said based on a video that was shut down...this 18,2 could be the 14" and the 18,3 the 16"
in that video after multiple testes from around 78k it got down to this number...probabil the 14" cannot sustain the full potential after a while
So if indeed is that true...the 14" to reach for sustain load even at this level in that form factor is impressive
in that video after multiple testes from around 78k it got down to this number...probabil the 14" cannot sustain the full potential after a while
So if indeed is that true...the 14" to reach for sustain load even at this level in that form factor is impressive
it is in line with the 3000 (mobile) gpus...you are trying to compare to a desktop gpu I think
Any app is extremely difficult to market now, not just games. As a former dev I totally feel for them.
78k is yes, but then with this 68k on Geekbench seems the graphic core is based on A14 and not on the A15.. Iphone 13 Pro Max gets a 15k metal score with 5 cores. Bummer.
True, but they are two different gaming expereinces and seperate markets; even if and when iOS games run on Macs.. Sure there will be crossover but an iPad game won't use the Mac's potential and either leave gamers unsatisfied or wind up needing two ports. Windows games are way pased "play on phone and PC" design.The iPhone would represent the LCD, greatly limiting game capabilities. Ask your self this - "How satisfying would an iPhone game be on the new MacBook Pro? Would I like it or would it leave me wondering what could have been if it had been written to take advantage of teh MBP's power?" If it's the latter, the iOS market size is irrelevant.
Windows games often push the edge and upgrades to game rigs are needed regularly to keep pace. A 2 year old MacBook may very well be ancient in that environment and only a few hardcore gamers would upgrade frequently, especially since they can do that much more easily and cheaper with a Windows box. Plus, I'd bet Mac users who are gamers probably already have a Windows gaming rig, so a key demographic is already out of the picture.
Until Apple gains marketshare to the point where Mac games are economically viable having the same gaming experience as on Windows is a dream. No sane developer is going to upfront the costs and hope to make a profit when the money is better spent on improving the Windows version.
As much noise is made about Apple's 30% cut, the real killer, IMHO, was pricing that made people expect apps would be free or cost 99 cents. The cut in many ways was a plus since devs got a lot more exposure, less upfront costs, and money than under the old system. But when customers whine a $5 or $10 app is "too expensive" that doesn't matter.
I suspect, for most devs, Apple eliminating its cut would buy them a cup of coffee at Dunkin Donuts or if they're luck one at Starbucks.
Hm, not sure I agree with this. This better shows the performance difference between them:
M1 = 911 (base)
M1 Pro = 911 GTS
M1 Max = 911 Turbo S
The thing is that there is a very big market there with good enough hardware for games that go well beyond the traditional mobile games, and we do see that people are interested in such things, that is why Nintendo as some success and Steam is trying it too... And people are spending "fortunes" on that side of the market.
In a few years the hardware will be good enough to port some AAA games, and once that ball starts rolling other doors will open. Why do you think EPIC went after Apple?