yes, even Apple said its based on M1 (A14) and not on the A15
So next year M2 will be on A15 and the M2 Pro/max will be on the pro macs
MacBook Pro's M1 Max GPU is Over 3x Faster Than M1 in First Metal Benchmark
- Thread starter MacRumors
- Start date
- Sort by reaction score
So next year M2 will be on A15 and the M2 Pro/max will be on the pro macs
Shirasaki
macrumors P6
As an added bonus, one doesn’t need to shell out $6000 for a gaming machine. $1599 MacBook Air would be overkill for those games.
But then apple basically turns off iOS game thing with Big Sur 11.3, and Apple Arcade is still lacklustre overall. I could’ve run a few iOS games on my M1 Mac but couldn’t.
Well, if apple decides to lock Mac gaming behind Apple Arcade, I will just continue playing games On iOS devices and on PC.
A15 is also based on A14 thus M1, mainly benefitting from the better node 5NM+ which the M1Pro and Max are also using, so makes this choice a bit weird if it's true. Personally it disappoints me to buy one year old stuff for this price but probably this stuff was meant to be introduced Q1/2 this year.
quzzulKurt
macrumors newbie
1. So are the new macbooks already available to see at Apple stores? Or it will happen also after 25th?
2. All these extra GPU cores (ie. M1 Max), what kind of work are they really crucial for and pretty much waste of money for the rest (at least for near future)? Not interested in games at all and video creation/editing (at pro level).
2. All these extra GPU cores (ie. M1 Max), what kind of work are they really crucial for and pretty much waste of money for the rest (at least for near future)? Not interested in games at all and video creation/editing (at pro level).
Shirasaki
macrumors P6
How big that market is? Among established apple users? MacBook Air potential buyers? Hardware is there but where would the software go? AMD Intel NVIDIA are also innovating in its own field, and they are very much like the idea of ARM-based stuff in their core design. Apple has the lead at the moment, but what would happen if ARM becomes the norm of consumer electronics market?
I dunno what Nintendo or Steam trying to do here on the Mac side, especially after Steam releasing their own mobile gaming hardware based off of PC. They are also competing the gaming market. To them, Linux probably makes way more sense than macOS simply because of how much freedom they have on developing games on Linux.
On a side note, someone who cam easily afford $6100 on a maxed out MacBook Pro prolly don’t have any time to play any game anyways, and those who do would just buy MacBook Air instead, which is not going to be a powerhouse. How complex the game could be with that hardware in mind? And devs wont bother targeting 32 core GPU for games either.
hagjohn
macrumors 68000
Yes, people like to bitch about everything these days, even when there is no merit to their complaint. Benchmarks do not always reflect real life situations or tell the whole story.
You should look into the future and not just to Mac users... An iPad as most of the same hardware...
Other companies innovating or having better hardware doesn’t stop the fact that once hardware is good enough there will be market opportunities for game developers. Doesn’t mean that Apple will get exactly the same games, or that gamers will immediately flock to Apple, but it changes the dynamics and gives people more options, and starts rolling money
Last edited:
i was talking about graphics core of the A14 and not A15, replying to your initial post
Again, i think this should came at WWDC probably...but yes...we lost some performance
But i guess the M2 will have the M2 with 10 gpu cores, 2x A15 from iphone pro gpu cores and i wonder what is happening with the Mac PRo...it will be based on the A15 gpu core or on the A16 ?! what do you think ?
i mean if their Heart for the Pro doesnt get the most recently tech...a device that could see updates less often than an macbook air/pro...
BreuerEditor
macrumors 6502
So what you're saying is a 16" MacBook Pro can outperform (in more ways than one) my max'd out 2019 27" iMac with a 3.6 GHz 8-Core i9 and Radeon Pro Vega 48 8GB GPU that cost the same? If this isn't impressive, I'm really not sure what is...the refreshed larger iMacs in 2022 will be monsters if the trend continues...
Taz Mangus
macrumors 604
I think Apple has another M1 chip coming and I predict it will be called the M1 Extreme. And after that M2, M2 Pro, M2 Max and M2 Extreme. Rinse and repeat. 2022 with be 4nm.
Shirasaki
macrumors P6
It’s always Apple’s responsibility to create an attractive platform for devs to work on. This was the case back in 1974, and it will be the case in the future. The dude who you are replying to doesn’t seem to grasp this idea strong enough.
It seems like Geekbench is reporting an incorrect number of compute units. Baseline M1 Macbook Airs always show 8 GPU Cores in Geekbench, although they only have 7.
Let's hope so, Apple GPU scaling by now has been pretty good, a 3,3 would be a bit disappointing. Still be good but they hyped us up in the event.
Or perhaps that High Power mode unleashes all the power : https://www.macrumors.com/2021/09/29/high-power-mode-for-macs-macos-monterey-beta-8/
So for now it is still preserving power and we get that option in a future MacOS update.
Last edited:
I think that score is 24 cores.
$4000 laptop on par with an $8300 pro desktop (configured with less ram) - damn Apple !!
Mind you, if I did need a machine that powerful and bought a 12 core Mac Pro in the last couple of months I'd probably be sicker than a night of tequila followed by a dirty kebab.
Last edited:
CosmoPilot
macrumors 68000
I suspect under reporting & its 24cgpu. Hopefully more score come out today. But, at the end of the day regardless of the score…these chips are gonna blow peoples minds.
The more I think about it, the "surer" I get, that this benchmark score is indeed of a 24 core. The math adds up and there is no clear evidence that suggests otherwise.
The only thing we don't know is the thermal capacity of the 14 inch model. So if that benchmark is a 32 core in the 14 inch, then this means that the 32 core gets clocked down/throttled by at least 20000 points, down to a score the 24 core could (mathematically) achieve, making the 32 core in the 14 inch model completely pointless. I doubt that Apple would make such a decision after the throttling fiasco with earlier MBP models.
Last edited:
hasanahmad
macrumors 65816
imagine calling the fastest laptop as "disappointing" in reference to previous high end Macbook pro
Can't be throttling as the iPhone 13 Pro Max which throttles (but not with Geekbench) gets a score of 15k, so must be 24 cores ?
cult hero
macrumors 65816
Very different on Apple’s stuff. In the mobile space the difference between the i5 and i7 was fairly arbitrary. The i7 was a speed bump. The Max has access to more memory and more actual cores. It’s more than just “well, these are slightly faster.”
(On the desktop i7 meant hyper threading by i5s in the mobile space have that.)
57k and 69k , sort of big difference