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MacBook Pro's M1 Max GPU is Over 3x Faster Than M1 in First Metal Benchmark
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yes you are totally right, but market share you get when you are making far better devices, a better software apps and tools and more options on different prices points..market share will rise and then...some will join
But again, iOS market share+hardware is more important here for the mac since all the upcoming M1 iOS AAA titles will run on macs as well. On mobile platform games are making now the most profit
You are forgetting that Apple has the iPhone and the iPad, things that increase the market significantly when you look into the future and take into consideration the evolution in Apple’s chips and the fact that the Mac and the iPhone/iPad share so much in software and hardware now.
That’s not really true. Apple has had better hardware for years already vs the popular $500 Windows systems that can still play games. My friend has a GTX 1060 and can play games.
People here are expecting RTX 3090-besting numbers and are disappointed that this MacBook Pro won’t even come close and now it’s there’s no games to exploit all this power. Like Apple has ever given more than glance towards gaming on the Mac since the iPad was released. Even if AAA games were plentiful on the Mac, the football would me moved and the complaint would be that this “gaming” Mac starts at $1999 and it’s too expensive, and Apple would be the villain again for “depriving” these people of gaming on Macs they can’t “afford”! What a never-ending wheel of entitlement and whining.
Interesting. I have the exact same configuration and my fans a basically locked to full bore. One of the reasons I'm jumping on an M1 MAX now.
Causing your own issue. Part of why there isn't enough market share is that the games are not there for people that game to want to spend on the better Mac, or any Mac. I have an Air because why spend money on a 16in when all the games are on PC? That's why I have a PC desktop. If there were more games for Mac I'd have less reason to have a PC desktop and have just bought a 14 or 16in Pro.
There has to be games to bring the gamers. If there isn't any why would the gamers come? It's called growing the userbase, and your not helping yourself by not assisting in that by waiting till its instantly profitable to jump in. Sometimes you have to take a loss or break even to see later profits. Thats why they say "you have to spend money to make money".
If I could play Cyberpunk 2077 and Fallout 76 on a 16in MacBook just as well as I can on my AMD 3700X/3070Ti then I'd be moving to a MacBook Pro for my next machine instead of updating my Desktop. If those games are never ported, or if their FUTURE counterparts are not, why would I bother getting a game capable Mac?
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I’m not a charity here. I won’t get enough revenue to sustain my business if I devote resources to both windows and Mac. I would severely need to scale back the game I want to make if I need to support both. And if I only support macos, I would need to scale it back further. I don’t really appreciate that line of thinking that I am the one responsible.
That 32gpu will do a lot of nothing for Photographers.
I'm hearing that more cores will take more from the ram pool, which is a huge problem for apps like after effects and any professional app that typically relies on discreet graphics video ram pool.
The m1 graphics were not great, they were essentially just a little bit better than Intel integrated graphics. Anyone that knows anything about graphics cards knows that it's complete weak sauce.
Unfortunately Apple doesn't have much faith in the graphics capability because even on the product page it's comparing it to the integrated graphics from Intel which are garbage. That doesn't bode well for the eventual numbers.
Nobody with sense in their head would port a big expensive game to a Apple only platform. You can't even update your own drivers with Apple much less create them. There's a ton of good small games for iOS and there's a few bigger ones coming down the pipe from Japanese developers. It's not to say that you can't make games on Apple platform, it's that the size of the games will be limited by apples own policies.
You're blaming a developer for the situation that Apple creates.
Companies like Aspyr have fought the good fight on trying to make apple into a viable games platform and we all know how that ended.
First, these results are from notebook GPU, constrained by power and case size.
Even in this case, Apple GPU is 3 times better than Pro 5500M card in previous notebooks.
It is roughly same to DESKTOP version of RX5700 and Pro Vega 56, which sell for 1649 dollars.
Getting same performance from the Mac notebook is amazing in itself.
Word is that iMac Pro and MacPro will have 64-128 cores of GPU. they will be as fast as fastest Mac DGPU cards available on market (AMD 6600 and 6800). With optimized drivers, they can be a beast and yet relatively affordable.
Even in this case, Apple GPU is 3 times better than Pro 5500M card in previous notebooks.
It is roughly same to DESKTOP version of RX5700 and Pro Vega 56, which sell for 1649 dollars.
Getting same performance from the Mac notebook is amazing in itself.
Word is that iMac Pro and MacPro will have 64-128 cores of GPU. they will be as fast as fastest Mac DGPU cards available on market (AMD 6600 and 6800). With optimized drivers, they can be a beast and yet relatively affordable.
I'm just saying you're not HELPING the situation at all. You're also implying that somehow you were instantly profitable on PC and did not have to wait on return for investment. To me it sounds like if you're not making enough return on the PC market to invest in other platforms then your games not very profitable in general.
I find it funny how this gamer subset of people on a highly specialized tech forum are complaining about Apple or touting how their PC is far better for game playing. There is a reason why Apple hasn’t earnestly chased after the gamer market, and it’s not because they can’t produce a competitive product for this market. It’s all about the ROI and the overall size of the gamer market. It’s just not currently big enough to be at the top of the list for Apple.
And as others have pointed out, Apple is taking a different path toward performance, compared to the legacy chip / system brands, and developing their SoC’s to provide high performance at the lowest possible energy use.
If I had to guess, the days of PC makers producing mega-watt burning systems, are numbered, for all the right reasons.
And as others have pointed out, Apple is taking a different path toward performance, compared to the legacy chip / system brands, and developing their SoC’s to provide high performance at the lowest possible energy use.
If I had to guess, the days of PC makers producing mega-watt burning systems, are numbered, for all the right reasons.
I think the performance of the lowest level Mac being sold is what matters. M1 has raised the bar and the average Mac will start improving increasing the actual available game market for Macs.
So youre saying Civ 6, CS:Go, XCOM, WoW, Total War, Plague Inc, ESO, Call of Duty, Dirt, Tomb Raider, Stardew, Dota are not a "big expensive games"? Because not only are they, but they are also profitable.
I can guarantee these devs will be making M1 compatible version of future games as well.
how many mac that had a good gaming gpu in that small mac market share?! Also its about raising the bar of the performance of the cheapest of the macs
Again, its about iOS market share now and not the mac it self...the mac now can only benefit from the hardware improvements that the ipad and iphone has now since the A14/M1
In the products page it compares the 32-core GPU with MacBook Pro with dedicated graphics not Intel integrated graphics.
More cores won’t take more RAM, the RAM is dynamically allocated if necessary.
The 14” is compared against the 13” with integrated, but the 16” is compared against the Intel 16” with the dedicated 5600M; Apple also compared the new chips against PC with dedicated GPUs during the presentation.
You don’t know my situation. I’m not going to show you my books and financials. You can’t be serious thinking that macs have more potential sales than windows PCs. And just FYI, my game can run well on a 10 year old Windows PC. So even the Mac Mini or MacBook Air has enough performance. But the potential sales is far too low to do R&D and testing and maintenance on the game for macos. It would be a net loss to introduce the Mac version. Will take time away from enhancing the Windows version.
I get it. It’s hard for small shops to justify expense against uncertain potential income.
