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MacBook Pro's M1 Max GPU is Over 3x Faster Than M1 in First Metal Benchmark
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No, you are not right, those are the same results that have been there since yesterday. And like others have already pointed out, Geekbench is not reporting the number of compute units correctly - for example it reports the M1 with a 7-core GPU as 8 core GPU.
What would a 5700xt equivalent GPU cost in a desktop pc right now? Trying to justify the $200 upcharge from apple to go from 16core igpu to 24core
$500-$600 in today's market?
You can still buy $400 3060ti Founders Edition when they drop at Best Buy which is faster than 5700xt.
Still pretty cool to see a $200 upcharge from Apple equivalent to a $400 desktop gpu. (I realize you're technically subtracting out their 16core model which maybe is like a 1660 or so)
There's clearly something wrong with those stats... Maximum frequency: 1000MHz
The M1 GPU tops out at 1278MHz, so this benchmark was clearly not fully pushing the GPU which supposedly had clock rate bumped up from M1.
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The Geekbench CPU and GPU info is usually not very reliable, they often mix things up
Nope... apparently Geekbench is not reporting correct stats...
reported cache is wrong
max frequency is wrong
and many suspect compute units is wrong also
There's a 16-core Max Pro that gets OpenCL 38359, which is roughly x2 the M1.
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Not until Tuesday per my nearest store.
And an iPad is hardly a game machine to compare to PCs. Porting an iPad game to a MBP would hardly set the world on fire.
The question is there profit in the market? The answer for most is probably not. Hardware alone won't drive a market, you need people who will buy your product and the Mac market is simply so small to make it unattractive, even with good hardware. Plus, you're limited to lower end MB's as the main target since that's where most Mac buyers land.
Only time will tell but I doubt Macs will ever see the same level of gaming as a PC. Even now the mMac games are what, 13% of the games on the EPIC store? At best Macs will likely see mid tier games get a port.
if you look at the OpenCL scores under OpenCL Information it shows Compute Units. The problem is that information has not been reliable with the M1 - it doesn’t report 7 for 7-core GPU. So we cannot trust the number
M1 Max 32-core iGPU is more like a 1660 from all the results seen.
didn’t argue that an iPad could be compared to a top PC, what I argued was about how the quality of the hardware has improved to the point where there is a market for something more than typical mobile games.
It wouldn’t be a true porting because the iPad and Mac share almost everything now. the market size would be more than Macs.
Won’t argue that it changes things overnight, but if Apple is smart it could foster many more quality games.
M1 Pro and Max are likely based on Firestorm/Icestorm cores, like A14 and M1.
M2 will have A15’s Avalanche/Blizzard cores.
Most of the scores he listed are OpenCL. NOT COMPARABLE.
You need to look for the METAL scores.
PC Gamers constantly say this. And yet when I talk to people who actually develop games, they tell a VERY different story.
The numbers I was quoted are as below: Current M1 devices match to exceed those specs, whether iPad or mac mini.
There are other reasons why game development may occur (and remain) primarily on PCs and Consoles, but hardware level is not a reason.
As far as I can tell, PC gamers like to trash talk other people's systems, or to make vague aspirational statements ... but their claims bear little relationship to the reality of the broad market and so the business reality.
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From Steam Hardware Survey one can see, for example that:
- Only bit over 10 % of gamers have display over 1080p resolution
- About 2 % have CPU with more than 8 cores
- About 15 % have CPU with 8 cores
- 4 CPU cores is the most common, but we are slowly moving to 6 cores
- Only about 8 % have GPU with more than 8 GB VRAM
- High-end GPUs are very rare
Cannot use the t word or the mods will suspend me, but I see you’re doing your best to start a flame war to gain attention while you move the football and do your same old song and dance.
I prefer real world tests.
For synthetics I’ll have my iCloth.