Macbook Released

[deputy_doofy]

Well, I just noticed this on Apple's site:

Memory available to Mac OS X may vary depending on graphics needs. Minimum graphics memory usage is 80MB, resulting in 432MB of system memory available.

...and now I wonder something.

When one has a dedicated graphics chip, does it still eat into RAM once the dedicated VRAM is used up? My PB 12 has a 32mb VRAM card. If OS X can potentially use 80mb or more, does that mean, even with 32mb dedicated VRAM, I'm now down to 464mb RAM?

Never really thought about it before.

 

[Legacy]

Well, I just noticed this on Apple's site:

...and now I wonder something.

When one has a dedicated graphics chip, does it still eat into RAM once the dedicated VRAM is used up? My PB 12 has a 32mb VRAM card. If OS X can potentially use 80mb or more, does that mean, even with 32mb dedicated VRAM, I'm now down to 464mb RAM?

Never really thought about it before.

No

As far as I know it is not for the OS, but for gaming AGP may then seek for RAM if VRAM is not sufficient I think.

 

[drumzkiqass]

I'd say it will not work.

"Motion requires the standard graphics card found in any MacBook Pro, iMac Intel Core Duo, Power Mac G5, iMac G5, a 1.25 GHz or faster PowerBook G4, or a 1.25 GHz or faster flat-panel iMac."

The fact that the Mac mini (having the same graphics chip as the Macbook) is not mentioned leads to my interpretation.

Okay, thank you, great answer.

 

[Chundles]

Well, I just noticed this on Apple's site:

...and now I wonder something.

When one has a dedicated graphics chip, does it still eat into RAM once the dedicated VRAM is used up? My PB 12 has a 32mb VRAM card. If OS X can potentially use 80mb or more, does that mean, even with 32mb dedicated VRAM, I'm now down to 464mb RAM?

Never really thought about it before.

No, you're a bit confused. The statement refers to the GMA950's RAM usage, it has 64MB of system RAM dedicated to it but because of how it works etc. (not too sure on that) the GMA950 uses 80MB or system RAM.

Your 32MB VRAM is what the OS will use and nothing more, the OS will only use the dedicated VRAM, not your system RAM.

 

[matticus008]

Well, I just noticed this on Apple's site:

...and now I wonder something.

When one has a dedicated graphics chip, does it still eat into RAM once the dedicated VRAM is used up? My PB 12 has a 32mb VRAM card. If OS X can potentially use 80mb or more, does that mean, even with 32mb dedicated VRAM, I'm now down to 464mb RAM?

Never really thought about it before.

It depends on the implementation, but yes. If a graphics card's texture memory is full, it will borrow from system RAM. With AGP on PCs, you can define a maximum share size in BIOS that caps how much the video can steal from the system. PCIe is dynamically managed on most computers as far as I know, meaning that the OS and/or hardware drivers will set the limits.

 

[deputy_doofy]

No

As far as I know it is not for the OS, but for gaming AGP may then seek for RAM if VRAM is not sufficient I think.

Appreciate it. Just never thought about how it really worked with a dedicated video card.
Sad reality is, I probably will never need a dedicated video card, since I never did anything crazy with my PB, but I'm almost afraid to chance a shared card due to the slight using of RAM resources...

 

[deadpoet]

I used to believe I was going to get a Win Laptop and then just fork over a G5 instead of getting a MBP, but I could never find a $1500 or less Win Laptop made by ANYONE who didn't have an integrated GPU. I really hate when people act like Apple is the first one to do this.

You're missing the point. Nobody is complaining about price or value here -- obviously the MacBooks are great value for money.

People like me are willing to pay more for a *high-end* 13" MacBook in order to get a good graphics card, but that option isn't available to us. Money is no object, in this instance. And no, I'm not going to get a big 15" MacBook Pro just to get a decent graphics card. I want my laptops small, powerful, and I'm not going to buy a Wintel laptop to get that kind of spec.

 

[habibbijan]

I ordered one, so add me to the list of (hopefully) satisfied customers. I bought the middle model, with an 80-gig hard drive upgrade. I'll buy 3rd-party RAM at a later date.

Integrated graphics don't bother me, as I also have a desktop PC with an Nvidia 6800GS to satisfy any gaming needs.

Yep, this is just another post to push us toward 2k.

Cheers,

 

[dejo]

People like me are willing to pay more for a *high-end* 13" MacBook in order to get a good graphics card, but that option isn't available to us. Money is no object, in this instance.

Money is no object? Seriously? So you'd be willing to pay $1000 more just to get a 13" MacBook with dedicated graphics?

 

[Legacy]

Money is no object? Seriously? So you'd be willing to pay $1000 more just to get a 13" MacBook with dedicated graphics?

I think an asking price of $1699 for (Black):

2.0CD/512MB/80GB/X1400 128MB/Super is reasonable to ask isnt it?

 

[dejo]

I think an asking price of $1699 for (Black):

2.0CD/512MB/80GB/X1400 128MB/Super is reasonable to ask isnt it?

Probably. But what about $2099? Still tempting? Remember, money is no object.

 

[Legacy]

Probably. But what about $2099? Still tempting? Remember, money is no object.

I didnt make that comment, my learned friend did

 

[rhsgolfer33]

You're missing the point. Nobody is complaining about price or value here -- obviously the MacBooks are great value for money.

People like me are willing to pay more for a *high-end* 13" MacBook in order to get a good graphics card, but that option isn't available to us. Money is no object, in this instance. And no, I'm not going to get a big 15" MacBook Pro just to get a decent graphics card. I want my laptops small, powerful, and I'm not going to buy a Wintel laptop to get that kind of spec.

I guess youre not getting a new laptop anytime soon, seeing as how the MB is supposed to replace the 12" powerbook.

Id say the MB is pretty small and pretty powerful. It runs a 2.0ghz core duo and up to 2gigs of ram. Unless youre doing some 3d work it should be more than fine without a dedicated gfx card. Personally I wouldnt want to do 3d work on a laptop anyway. I cant wait for the CS3 Ub, should run pretty good on a MB, but I guess I'll just have to load CS2 and run it in rosetta when my MB comes in.

 

[matticus008]

People like me are willing to pay more for a *high-end* 13" MacBook in order to get a good graphics card, but that option isn't available to us. Money is no object, in this instance. And no, I'm not going to get a big 15" MacBook Pro just to get a decent graphics card. I want my laptops small, powerful, and I'm not going to buy a Wintel laptop to get that kind of spec.

Half a pound and 1.5" wider really makes that much difference to you? There can't be too many people like you out there, then.

 

[Legacy]

I guess youre not getting a new laptop anytime soon, seeing as how the MB is supposed to replace the 12" powerbook.

Id say the MB is pretty small and pretty powerful. It runs a 2.0ghz core duo and up to 2gigs of ram. Unless youre doing some 3d work it should be more than fine without a dedicated gfx card. Personally I wouldnt want to do 3d work on a laptop anyway. I cant wait for the CS3 Ub, should run pretty good on a MB, but I guess I'll just have to load CS2 and run it in rosetta when my MB comes in.

WOW, when CS3 comes out it will be like running it on a Dual G5 2Ghz on the go!

 

[Multimedia]

That Would Be False

rumor has it that macrumor.com will give a prize to the person who posts the 2000th post.

That Would Be False. But 1947 is the year I was born!

 

[Multimedia]

double post

 

[Multimedia]

Wasting Money Buying Apple RAM

Thanks for the reply, yep I added 1 gig of ram so I guess thats whats delaying shippment

The status most likely says something along the lines of "estimated shipping by may 23". I ordered mine (white 2.0 with no options) yesterday morning and it shipped early this morning...

But if it's a BTO then i'm not sure how it works and you're on your own.

BTW: The status on mine orignially estimated shipping by the 23rd and delivery by the 31st. The FedEx tracking now says estimated delivery around noon on Friday 5/19.

Ordering extra ram from Apple is a waste of money. And as you just discovered TIME as well.

 

[Multimedia]

Our New Rocket Scientist

I doubt the Red MacBook is the prize for the 2000th post....if there even is a prize....

You Must Be Our New Rocket Scientist. That would be Duh!

 

[Multimedia]

I Like The PowerMac Design

So now that iBook has a had a slight case change, does anyone think that the PowerMac will retain it's current case, like Apple seems to have been doing for the most part.

And how about the eMac will it even make the transition?
If it does will they put an LCD in it and lead plates in the back to keep them from walking?

I Like The PowerMac Design. But I doubt they will keep it. eMac is history.

 

[Spanko]

That link to the dedicated flak thread does not let me in. Why?

Oops. Because I forgot the last digit in the thread id This should work: https://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=2421422

So anyone who has gotten a black MacBook or who will check one out in a store is encouraged to share their flakiness impressions there.

 

[Multimedia]

Difference Between Bottom and Mid is Combo vs. Superdrive NOT Speed

Oh I completly understand that. I'm more interested in this for my Mother. The only desire she has is to be able to use iMovie and to burn the home movies she made in iMovie. She could care less what GPU it has. She loves the Macbook, but doesn't really want to drop 1300 for the middle MB.

And external burner isn't the greatest for her becuase she is into all in one simple use. No strings attached. Let her check email and send pics right in bed. If that makes any sense.

So that is why I say it is sad you can not upgrade the first MB with a superdrive.

That is why I posted the question "is the superdrive really $200 more" because she doesn't want a super fast gaming machine or a superfast whatever.

She won't know the difference from her pentium III processor. She just wanted a cheap comp to sit in bed burning home videos (redundant)...

Difference Between Bottom and Mid is Combo vs. Superdrive NOT Speed. 340 MHz is not going to make any difference. Yes $200 is a fair difference.

 

[Multimedia]

Use the $250 to buy a Seagate 160

Am I the only one actually GLAD the Macbooks have the GMA? Do you know how much battery a dedicated graphics card takes? I bet you would have 1 hour less battery with a dedicated GPU and everyone would complain about that. The Intel graphics chip does very well on 2D stuff actually. Same goes for 7200 rpm hard drive. Granted the performance on a 7200 rpm drive is better, but it all goes on the battery.

I think I'll sell my iMac on eBay and get a pimped out Macbook. I want that 120 GB drive.

Why not save your $250 and buy the Seagate 160 GB HD with it since the MacBook HD is user installable?

 

[poppe]

You're missing the point. Nobody is complaining about price or value here -- obviously the MacBooks are great value for money.

People like me are willing to pay more for a *high-end* 13" MacBook in order to get a good graphics card, but that option isn't available to us. Money is no object, in this instance. And no, I'm not going to get a big 15" MacBook Pro just to get a decent graphics card. I want my laptops small, powerful, and I'm not going to buy a Wintel laptop to get that kind of spec.

Actually all in all you missed my point. I was speaking in regards to past qoutes. What I was explaining was that I could not find a decent laptop for under $1500 without intergrated graphics. I was not saying look how sweet apple's are they rule and kick but. And i was definitely not saying there shouldn't be a 13.3 MB, 2gbs of ram, 120 HDD, and 256 MB Vcard.

My point was as I said right under the sentence that you qouted me on
"Just food for thought" nothing more nothing less.

My whole reason for commenting on this thread was acctually because I felt the MB was inadequate towards users like you and my mom. You in the sense of a power house that is the size of a small text book, and my mom in the sense that she doesn't care if you give the new MB a G5 or a core duo or a core duo 2 or a pentium 4 extreme with hyperthreading. For example, I even made the comment that I said look the medium model comes with 20 gbs of more HDD and she said what is a hard drive? All she wants/needs is a laptop at 1 grand mark that can edit her home videos through iMovie and burn them so she can send them to grandma.

So no I was never complaining about the price or the value. I was actually doing the opposite and saying look great value great price. I just wish there were to options One for you and one for my mother because my mom is not looking for a 1300 Laptop before apple care and what not...

 

[slooksterPSV]

I Like The PowerMac Design. But I doubt they will keep it. eMac is history.

Now schools, they can still buy eMacs. Apple has a whole 15 pages on things that schools can buy, and yessiree they still have the eMacs for schools. As of April 16, 2006 is when the paper was updated. If you want, go to apple.com and search for surplus purchasing or that.