macOS 13 Ventura on Unsupported Macs Thread

[startergo]

UTM or Parallels Desktop with Windows for ARM (plus M$ x86 emulation) does such a good job that Bootcamp can be easily left in the past.

UTM kinda works, but is so crappy that it should be considered non working. x86 emulation is done only on UTM (QEMU) and not in Parallels Desktop.

What are the limitations?​

The lack of hardware virtualization on Apple A-chips means that even for ARM code we must re-compile it with JIT. Therefore performance would never reach the levels possible with KVM. There is also no support for GPU virtualization so that means no DirectX or OpenGL.

 

[0134168]

UTM or Parallels Desktop with Windows for ARM (plus M$ x86 emulation) does such a good job that Bootcamp can be easily left in the past.

Some of us need to run native Windows, and other OS´s. And x86 emulation does not work on Parallels ARM.

 

[Earl Urley]

Is it possible to install Ventura on an external TB drive and boot from that going forward?

 

[Larsvonhier]

Some of us need to run native Windows, and other OS´s. And x86 emulation does not work on Parallels ARM.

Well, my Altium Designer 20 for Windows (Intel) runs pretty well on Parallels on my M1 here. Using Windows 10 (ARM) and Windows 11 (ARM).
For your information (better late than never, right?): Parallels itself does not emulate x86, but Windows does the job with technology similar to Rosetta 2.
Just my 2ct, consider me one of "some of us". Thanks.

 

[Larsvonhier]

Is it possible to install Ventura on an external TB drive and boot from that going forward?

Don´t know about TB drives, but booting off of USB 2 and USB 3 drives does work. Just a bit slower.

 

[Larsvonhier]

UTM kinda works, but is so crappy that it should be considered non working. x86 emulation is done only on UTM (QEMU) and not in Parallels Desktop.

See post above #429 incl. explanation.

 

[startergo]

See post above #429 incl. explanation.

So you ran 1 software and decided that because it runs we'll everything will run well on Windows ARM? Which is not even supported? Let me ask you this do you have a license for Windows ARM?

 

[0134168]

Is it possible to install Ventura on an external TB drive and boot from that going forward?

Well, I only tried in my supported Macbook Pro 16" 2019, in a HP P800. Works like a charm.

 

[0134168]

Well, my Altium Designer 20 for Windows (Intel) runs pretty well on Parallels on my M1 here. Using Windows 10 (ARM) and Windows 11 (ARM).
For your information (better late than never, right?): Parallels itself does not emulate x86, but Windows does the job with technology similar to Rosetta 2.
Just my 2ct, consider me one of "some of us". Thanks.

Thank you so much for the info, sir. Much appreciated.

Update: tried to run x86 Office in Windows ARM, in my Mac Mini M1. Runs pretty well. Thanks again.

 

[exoticSpice]

Or selling 256 GB storage on a 1570$ machine(M2 MacBook Air)

Where did you get that figure? M2 MBA is $1400 with 512GB SSD.

 

[0134168]

Where did you get that figure? M2 MBA is $1400 with 512GB SSD.

1.199 the 256GB.

Anyway, its ABSURD nowadays to sell a computer with 256Gb storage.

 

[singhalrishi27]

1.199 the 256GB.

Anyway, its ABSURD nowadays to sell a computer with 256Gb storage.

You live in US?
Checkout the pricing outside of the US
They are always like that they have just recently stopped shipping 64 GB iphones for some reason still exists in the iPad

 

[Larsvonhier]

Could we all return to the topic of this thread, pls?

 

[singhalrishi27]

Could we all return to the topic of this thread, pls?

I was some people are justifying what apple did

 

[Tockman]

Each day is clearer to me that Apple is getting more and more greedy. Perfect capable macs stays out of the capable list just for people buy new macs. Don´t like it at all.

I was some people are justifying what apple did

Some people are justifying, some ones are condemning. Is there a big reason to do it here?

 

[0134168]

Some people are justifying, some ones are condemning. Is there a big reason to do it here?

Not even a little one. But sorry. Deletíng.

 

[hwojtek]

I was some people are justifying what apple did

Please move your fresh insights here.

 

[Larsvonhier]

Beta round 3 now.
DL´ing it on M1 and will check if the Rosetta Lib changed again...

edit: so it's build 22A5295h now and the Rosetta OS.dmg lib is the identical image as before in beta 2, good!

 

[0xCUBE]

Beta 3 is officially out! Even though it's another beta, that doesn't mean that unsupported macs won't work, so as always, please do not test the beta out on a main machine and/or if you are not a developer. InstallAssistant pkg is not out yet, hopefully it will be soon

 

[Larsvonhier]

Beta 3 boots an MacBook 6,1 but stalls close to login screen after switching from verbose output to grey screen with mouse pointer (movable for a while then freezes). Will test on some other machines to see if this is something C2D or Nvidia specific...
But the good news is already that we still have a liftoff ;-)

 

[gosvamih]

How do you install on Macbook6.1? It's starting to look for external Bluetooth HID devices. Do you use an external Bluetooth keyboard and mouse?

 

[Larsvonhier]

How do you install on Macbook6.1? It's starting to look for external Bluetooth HID devices. Do you use an external Bluetooth keyboard and mouse?

Correct. Initially, some USB drivers are not included, so you have to use external keyboard/mouse (with USB HUB 2.0 in between) for installation and the experimental use. You can also install Ventura on another unsupported machine where internal routing of USB paths is different and still supported out of the box. Then transfer or connect the boot volume to the i.e. MB6,1 after installation is complete. (Which does not solve the USB issue, of course, just makes installation a bit easier, depending on what you want to accomplish).

 

[0134168]

I know this is an unsupported macs forum, but maybe this can be helpful.

Unable to update to Beta 3 from Beta 2 in a thunderbolt driive. Start the update, download right, but after 2-3 minutes It says error.

 

[chris1111]

I know this is an unsupported macs forum, but maybe this can be helpful.

Unable to update to Beta 3 from Beta 2 in a thunderbolt driive. Start the update, download right, but after 2-3 minutes It says error.

update again , the first update always faiilled now you will see 11 G update

 

[0134168]

update again , the first update alway faiilled now you will see 11 G update

I have tried about 5 times. Thanks.