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Do people actually use programs in full screen like that? I surely dont!

Maybe watch a photo full screen at times, thats the only time I'd notice this!
It's mostly for video playback. Not just for watching movies, but for watching the video you just edited or recorded in full screen.
when not using apps in full screen mode, you can see the notch so best thing to do is set a black wallpaper or something similar to hide the notch :)
The notch is in the menu bar. You would just need to set a flag to turn the menu bar black and non transparent.
 
The notch is there with no Face ID unbelievable but that’s the Apple Way. No excuses for why they had to do a notch.
 
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Bought a 14" MacBook Pro, the notch really doesn't bother me in the slightest. I run my Mac in dark mode and that space is only taken up by empty menu bar. It's a none issue and with the right wall paper you'll never see it. Happy compromise to get rid of the bezels.
 
I’m embarrassed that I’ve never once thought of or considered thickness when it came to FaceID on a MacBook…

Maybe they‘ll do something similar to Huawei’s laptop and put the camera and FaceID tech in a pop out on the keyboard 😂
Or do it like these terrible Dell laptops one of my client's standardized on, with the camera aimed up your nostrils when you're looking at the screen. They can call it "NoseID".
 
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It's funny because if the area either side of the notch was just bezel, people would not freak out nearly as much. but because there is extra screen for the desktop menu bar, everyone is freaking out.

it really comes down to whether you're a glass-half-full or glass-half-empty type of person. ;)
 
That’s ok, I won’t buy an Apple laptop then if it has that notch then, I’ll spend my money elsewhere, Apples loss at the end of the day. I accept it on my iPhone, it would annoy me endlessly on my laptop screen, wasting space for no real reason.
I very reluctantly accept it on my iphone as I like the apple ecosystem - apple watch and ipads in particular - so much. However it still annoys me every day. I am desperate for them to remove it.
 
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Function over form 99.9% of the time. I only mind the notch because it lacks FaceID. I’d rather have less screen but it be a perfectly uniform rectangle, unless there is an added benefit - FaceID is awesome and would be ok for that compromise.
Why do you need FaceID on a laptop though? Surely TouchID like on the keyboard on the recent imacs is a better solution? Even more so when so much of the world is wearing facemasks too.
 
The notch is a design abomination. Both here and on the phone; stomach-turningly bad. And of course, the hiding of it thereof reinforces its failure. A disgrace. The rest of the look and design returns to more than decades old ideas.
If consumers don't push back on this and it doesn't hurt Apple's bottom line, in a few years years the notch will be the shape of the Apple logo.
 
The notch is a design abomination. Both here and on the phone; stomach-turningly bad. And of course, the hiding of it thereof reinforces its failure. A disgrace. The rest of the look and design returns to more than decades old ideas.

Look inward and ask yourself why you're so upset by the notch design. There must be a reason. Hint: the notch is not the problem.
 
Only way I’d be ok with the notch is if apple gives a black menu bar. They don’t have this in the new software do they?
 
This is going to be weird. I almost never use full-screen mode but the menus for the apps I use are very close to the 50% point of the screen AND I use iStats which are also close to the 50% point of the screen from the right-side.

I'd lose crucial space in the middle. Unless there is a way to fake the bezel the whole time. Not sure if menu items/iStat buttons/readings would be jumping around sides of the notch.
 
Don't be disingenuous, this is a 3 year old story which itself said the problem was solved by newer hardware and OS versions.
 
Windows Hello is nothing like FaceID. It's a 2D still image scanner. You could fool it with an IR photograph.

This isn't really true anymore. Windows Hello won't usually allow you to use facial recognition on most laptops because the standard camera is only capable of grabbing that 2D image that Microsoft realized wasn't secure enough. That's why it only functions on machines like the Surface product line, that have more camera hardware in that gets used only for the Hello functionality:


(I'm only aware of all this because I got put in charge of a project at work to enable Windows Hello support for PCs on our domain.)

In any case, it's really a shame Apple has fallen behind on supporting Face ID for computer logins, just like the phones do.
 
No one complained louder than me about the notch on the iPhone X/XS. Don't believe me? See my past posts on here where I insisted I'd hate it.

And boy was I wrong. It's no big deal. So having eaten my crow, I fully expect the notch to be a non-issue here too.
 
Has anybody figured out WHY there is a notch on a laptop? Why all of a sudden this stupid change? Why don’t any other laptops need a ugly notch to house a little camera? Apple has lost it. Unless people are getting paid to defend this garbage ya’ll are sad.
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So they (finally) remove the God-awful Touch Bar, but they slap this monstrosity onto their screens?

I'm starting to wonder if Apple isn't intentionally trying to gaslight its customers, yanking them to-and-fro until they all finally give up and give in. It's almost biblical how capricious they can be.

Poor old Tim Cook trying to pull a Steve Jobs' "I know what the people want" - except Steve actually had intuition and a healthy respect for Apple customers. As far as I'm concerned, to Tim, Apple customers are just cows waiting to be milked.

I mean, I never planned it this way, but there's probably a reason why I haven't bought a new Mac since before Steve died. Still happily running 32 and 64 bit apps on Mojave on 2010 model year laptop and desktop. Until Apple stops with the gimmicks, I don't find any compelling reasons to upgrade.
 
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