Abydos
macrumors 6502
It appears that the implications of Moore's law escapes some posters
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macOS Tahoe: A Pattern of Poor Usability and Design Regression
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I'm still running Sequoia 15.7.3. Is there a way to get rid of the Software Upgrade to Tahoe nag?
amancalledsun
macrumors 6502
Key word being "some".
Consider that most processor architects think the cycle has slowed from 2 to closer to 3 years, it would make more sense for physical systems to be supported hardware companies for a longer period rather than a shorter period. Moore's law is also not a good predictor of chip performance or capability, as the focus in recent years has been performance per watt rather than raw horsepower.
Perhaps you could explain which implications you are referring to and why they are relevant.
There is apparently a way, but it seemed a bit convoluted when I looked into it. I personally just ignore the nag, but I get that it can be annoying.
Apple really has some unfortunate judgment sometimes. If we thought Tahoe was worth the upgrade, they would not need to nag us to do it.
Mr. Heckles
macrumors 68000
It doesn't "trigger" me. I also never had a Mac that lasted less than 5-6 years, and I pass my old stuff down to people who want them.
Funny, people say Apple does this, and yet they still buy their products.
The M1 is 4 years and 10 months as someone pointed out....
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Abydos
macrumors 6502
ok, think in terms of parallel processing versus sequential processing, the number of cores/threads that be run simultaneously (or near so) , the effective width of data paths means data is transferred more efficiently with effective paths lengths minimized due smaller scale (I assume c is constant and controls latency) also should give rise to lower levels of dissipation (ie heat) per flop an older chipset would be expected to have fewer effective cores, smaller databand widths and higher energy dissipation per flop thus poorer performance in the thermodynamics will rear its ugly head
PotentPeas
macrumors 6502a
See this thread for information: https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/defer-tahoe-for-90-days.2465304/
Even though 90 days has expired, the 90-day policy is still preventing the Tahoe update from appearing. (That presumably will end any time now.) Once that policy expires and the Tahoe update appears anyway, you can also defer the nag by using terminal commands to set the time that macOS thinks you were last nagged to far into the future.
Defer Tahoe for 90 days
Thank you for confirming, that exactly what it’s supposed to happen. As Apple doesn’t push updates/upgrades to all Macs and regions at the same time, some of us will see Tahoe 26.0 sooner then others. When Tahoe 26.0 will appear on my Mac mini M4, I’ll: - remove the defer profile - keep the...
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Abydos
macrumors 6502
I have a nag to upgrade x code to the Tahoe version even though I haven't upgraded to Tahoe, sort of cool . were it my mgb (pre rubber bumper) I would say a fine example of English engineering - just kidding wonderful old car
And many are waiting to see if Tahoe was the last OS update for it. They sold the 2018 Mini up to the end of 2022 and Tahoe dropped them. On the other hand the 2014 Mini was supported up to Monterey. There was no reason to complain there. (Even now they run Linux really well.)
Most of the M1 machines have 8 GB RAM which is not enough for AI as Apple's actions proved when they bumped base RAM to 16 GB as soon as as the AI package (bad as it was) shipped. That might be the cutoff along with the M1s lowly NPU rating, (11 TOPS). The next ADC will be interesting to see how that point resolves.
It doesnt bother me personally, nor does iOS26.
That said, Im sure Apple will continue to tweak and fix these issues moving forward. I remember Lion had heaps of unpolished UI issues that werent resolved until Mountain Lion and later.
That said, Im sure Apple will continue to tweak and fix these issues moving forward. I remember Lion had heaps of unpolished UI issues that werent resolved until Mountain Lion and later.
Macos lately targets brainless chicks who pretend / want to be a decent content creators on youtube.
Normal people are being neglected in this process
Normal people are being neglected in this process
fisherking
macrumors G5
ClaraStahlbaum
macrumors 6502a
MacOS26 has worked flawlessly for me and I love the upgraded design.
Interesting find, for the most part Liquid Glass has been fine for me on Mac OS iOS/iPadOS.
Outside of general stability such delays with loading app icons and such. Legibility has been fine for me but I agree, for a lot of people Liquid Glass undoes a lot of the amazing work Apple has made in the accessibility space over the years.
Personally, I feel there’s a Liquid Glass that will work for everyone.
I don’t know what that would look like but I do feel (in its current state) Apple should have delayed Liquid Glass for another year minimum so that when it drops it’s more refined.
iOS 7 was similar in the sense of whole new design some people didn’t like it. But at least iOS 7 was fully legible (from what I remember).
Outside of general stability such delays with loading app icons and such. Legibility has been fine for me but I agree, for a lot of people Liquid Glass undoes a lot of the amazing work Apple has made in the accessibility space over the years.
Personally, I feel there’s a Liquid Glass that will work for everyone.
I don’t know what that would look like but I do feel (in its current state) Apple should have delayed Liquid Glass for another year minimum so that when it drops it’s more refined.
iOS 7 was similar in the sense of whole new design some people didn’t like it. But at least iOS 7 was fully legible (from what I remember).
Fiona FTW
macrumors regular
Yup. That's why both my Macs are still on Sequoia and will be there at least until OS 27 which I keep reading will be a "clean up" release like OS X Snow Leopard.
tkermit
macrumors 68040
I don't know about fully legible, considering the hairline fonts they chose to use. iOS 7 was already a huge step backwards in terms of legibility. Then it slowly improved until taking a nosedive again in iOS 26.
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Ursadorable
macrumors 65816
Excellent example of gaslighting right there, telling people the issue they're experiencing is in fact not an issue at all.
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The concept of troubleshooting without discussion (in a forum) is interesting. Who dares to dislike something that doesn't work for them?! Indecent.
fisherking
macrumors G5
troubleshooting & discussion go hand-in-hand; i don't think anyone is disputing that.
but there's a huge difference between whining/ranting and discussion... 🤔
Oh didn't you get the memo? Every complaint must come with a 1500 essay about how much you love apple and that this its only your opinion that an OS should not display white text on a white background.
The irony is that the moment someone explains why something in Tahoe doesn’t work for them or demonstrates a bug, the conversation gets shifted away from troubleshooting and into a seminar on whether they’re even allowed to feel that way by the usual suspects.
Labelling concrete, repeatable issues as “whining” is an easy way to avoid engaging with specifics, especially when those complaints are tied to observable behaviour rather than vague aesthetic preference. The “ranting vs discussion” distinction sounds meaningful but it’s used to pre-emptively downgrade anything uncomfortable into the former. At that point it stops being about tone and starts functioning as a filter to shut down any issues that can be dismissed. When presented with evidence that can't be shut down, the reply is usually 'I'm sorry you're experiencing that...' before they move on to shut down other threads.
And what’s especially telling is that the people quickest to label others as “whiners” almost never articulate what would qualify as acceptable discussion, even when asked directly. There’s no standard offered, no example of a “proper” complaint; just a steady stream of dismissal and BS.
fisherking
macrumors G5
troubleshooting? if someone starts a thread on this forum asking for help, ppl step up. that's always been true.
and am sorry you don't hear it, but there is a difference between asking for help, discussing an issue, and ranting. it's ok in any discussion to present a contrary point-of-view, on any side of a discussion (ie yours, mine).
that's what a discussion is 🙏
Ursadorable
macrumors 65816
I have no intent on installing Tahoe, but it does frustrate me that it keeps nagging me to update, including the red dot on the settings icon.
Unfortunately, I know that when I buy the M5 Ultra Mac Studio, I won't have a choice. I suppose I can hold off until MacOS 27 and hope they fix it.. but I'm not holding my breath. If anything, there will be a new batch of bugs.
Unfortunately, I know that when I buy the M5 Ultra Mac Studio, I won't have a choice. I suppose I can hold off until MacOS 27 and hope they fix it.. but I'm not holding my breath. If anything, there will be a new batch of bugs.
fisherking
macrumors G5
what is it you need fixed? just wondering. many ppl (even, sigh, outside of macrumors) are running tahoe just fine, and working (& playing). i can do all my work without issue.
what exactly are you concerned about?
Being as the title of this thread is "
macOS Tahoe: A Pattern of Poor Usability and Design Regression", maybe if you LOVE Tahoe more than anything in this life, this is not necessarily the thread for you. Seems to attract trolls. If I saw a thread that was called "We love Tahoe more than life itself", well, I guarantee I would not be spending anytime there. Title says all I need to know.
macOS Tahoe: A Pattern of Poor Usability and Design Regression", maybe if you LOVE Tahoe more than anything in this life, this is not necessarily the thread for you. Seems to attract trolls. If I saw a thread that was called "We love Tahoe more than life itself", well, I guarantee I would not be spending anytime there. Title says all I need to know.