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Being as the title of this thread is "
macOS Tahoe: A Pattern of Poor Usability and Design Regression", maybe if you LOVE Tahoe more than anything in this life, this is not necessarily the thread for you. Seems to attract trolls. If I saw a thread that was called "We love Tahoe more than life itself", well, I guarantee I would not be spending anytime there. Title says all I need to know.
why anyone should be afraid of a contrary point-of-view in a discussion (especially about something that is not, in fact, that important in the world) is beyond me. it seems the tahoe naysayers are the ones who are treating LG (& rounded corners) as the end of civilization, not an aesthetic they simply don't like. and yes, there are places it can be better 👍
 
And what’s especially telling is that the people quickest to label others as “whiners” almost never articulate what would qualify as acceptable discussion, even when asked directly. There’s no standard offered, no example of a “proper” complaint; just a steady stream of dismissal and BS.

There is no such thing as a proper complaint.

One must sufficiently praise Apple or they are labeled a hater, no matter the complaint.
 
This thread is just FULL of folks who dislike Tahoe and have reverted to Sequoia.

Apple has a lot of work to do here.

Thank goodness we aren't trapped on the 26 OS on Macs (unless you are M5 and newer of course).

and what percentage of macusers in the world does this forum represent? (and why are people so afraid of other points-of-view?). so many ppl here only want their opinions validated, not challenged. so it goes 🤷
 
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This thread is just FULL of folks who dislike Tahoe and have reverted to Sequoia.

Apple has a lot of work to do here.

Thank goodness we aren't trapped on the 26 OS on Macs (unless you are M5 and newer of course).


Careful buddy, you gotta get a hard peer-reviewed state of how many people on the planet feel this way to get taken seriously. Also, why are you afraid of dogs*?

*replace this with any other accusation to understanding how gaslighting works.
 
I have no intent on installing Tahoe, but it does frustrate me that it keeps nagging me to update, including the red dot on the settings icon.

Unfortunately, I know that when I buy the M5 Ultra Mac Studio, I won't have a choice. I suppose I can hold off until MacOS 27 and hope they fix it.. but I'm not holding my breath. If anything, there will be a new batch of bugs.

I'm in the same boat. I'm in the market for an M5 Mac, and would have had one by now but between Tahoe inherent instability and how it has affected my work on an M1 its pointless for me to upgrade since it's impossible to install sequoia.

As for the red dot, this thread seems to be figuring that out: https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...-updating-dark-pattern-pushing-tahoe.2474649/

There's an issue where deselecting Tahoe won't stop it from downloading, but it won't install right away (I think), and there's a few tricks to remove the file and dot. I haven't read through it in detail, but I did use the defer profile here: https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...ys.2465304/page-4?post=34336909#post-34336909
 
We all love options. However, these options still leave the GUI broken. Had Apple taken the path where Tahoe looked the same as Sequoia after install, and given the users the option of LG, well, the angst would have been a lot less. One of the aspects I like about Linux is that I can pick my GUI, fonts, etc.

Apple screwed up.
Yup, Liquid Glass should have been opt-in, not opt-out.
 
This has been one of my beefs too.

Prior to the latest Tahoe 26.3 beta release, that particular underlapping-when-scrolling problem occurred even when you had Increased Contrast and Reduce Transparency turned on in the Accessibility prefpane. At least now, when one or the other of those settings is turned on, this underlapping no longer occurs. But it still happens when these settings are turned off and so you're getting the full Liquid Glass effect. But it shouldn't.
 
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I’ve noticed a speed bump since installing Tahoe, but the usability and interface (which I love) outweighs any negatives. Sorry, but it’s very good. A massive upgrade and the next OS will be a highly optimized version of Tahoe, looking forward to it!
 
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The issue of accessibility (that Apple claims to prioritize) is not something that you should "tip" us to "learn to code, and write some code/app that fixes it."

Accessibility does apply to "the wider community." Sheesh.

Also, how are people supposed to write an app that fixes it if they can't use it because the accessibility is so bad
 
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there's a world of difference from people posting about a legitimate issue, and people ranting about how 'wrong' rounded windows are (for example).

bugs should be squashed, issues resolved. and one of the things i love about this place is... when people ask for actual help, others step in with ideas, workarounds.

opinions are opinions, and worthy of discussion, but no one's opinion is more valid that anyone elses.

People have the right to talk about their opinions about the MacOS UI. Sorry if that bothers you

Plus, rounded corners are an interesting thing for you to mention since they have caused some knock-on issues:
• Rounded toolbar buttons that no longer look right because their icon doesn't sit properly in this new shape
• Rounded windows that expect you to grab to resize almost outside the window because the roundness is still for some reason considered inside the window
 
No. It's just that Apple chose to go with such UI for a while. Like it was with Aqua, brushed metal, flat or whatever. And they're not gonna revert it fully anyway.

I didn't like Aqua. I'm not a fan of overly detailed kitschy (in my opinion) 3D icons and general overly skeuomorphic UI. But I had to get used to it, I had no other choice. People need to realize that there's no way a single UI will be accepted by everyone.
10.3 - 10.5 Aqua was fine. Tahoe reminds me of the DPs and public betas, and their half-baked UI.
 
I’ve been using macOS daily for decades, across both Intel and Apple Silicon eras, and I don’t say this lightly… macOS Tahoe represents a noticeable regression in basic usability and visual design discipline.

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This screenshot is a simple but telling example. In the Messages app, Dark Mode, macOS renders white text on a very light background, resulting in insufficient contrast and reduced legibility. This isn’t an edge case or an obscure preference setting... it’s a direct violation of long-established usability and accessibility principles.

At a minimum, Apple should be meeting:
  • WCAG contrast guidelines
  • Clear foreground/background separation
  • Predictable visual hierarchies across light and dark modes
Instead, Tahoe feels increasingly inconsistent, as if visual polish is being prioritized over functional clarity. Dark Mode, in particular, seems treated as a skin rather than a first-class design system... leading to situations where text becomes harder to read precisely when users choose Dark Mode to reduce eye strain.

This issue isn’t isolated. Across Tahoe, there’s a growing pattern of:
  • Low-contrast UI elements
  • Ambiguous visual cues
  • Excessive translucency that undermines readability
  • Visual effects competing with clarity
Apple used to be the company that understood that good design is invisible… that it gets out of the way. Lately, macOS feels like it’s drifting toward aesthetics-first decisions that ignore real-world usage and professional workflows.

If Apple wants to continue positioning macOS as a productivity-first OS, these basics need to be addressed. Visual consistency, contrast, and legibility are not subjective preferences... they’re foundational to usable software.

Curious if others are seeing the same pattern in Tahoe, especially those running Dark Mode full-time.
Well said , I totally agree , and I would add that iOS is in the same category that you outlined there. They’ve literally made it a pain in the ass to use
 
I have no intent on installing Tahoe, but it does frustrate me that it keeps nagging me to update, including the red dot on the settings icon.

See:
Defer for 90 days actually is still working. The Tahoe update won't even appear as an option.

Options for when 90 day deferral stops working. You can use a policy to remove the bubble, and set the "last nagged date" to far into the future to avoid the nags.
 
Lesson: don’t give software control over to a marketer with no prior software experience. Apple should re-hire Loren Brichter (put him in charge of iPhone software) and Mike Mattas (give him iPad software) and possibly even Louie (icon design). Whatever the cost. And charge Craig and the new CDO to return macOS to the golden age of usability and sophisticated appearance.

Reverse ALL poor decisions, including System Settings UI. Though do rename as “Settings”. Naming consistency across systems makes far more sense than forced design consistency. To understand software design is to understand this.

Consistency makes sense in some places and others it doesn’t. Having a control center on Macs makes sense, making it look like that when people are using a mouse cursor makes none from a sophistication and appearances and usage perspective—by all means have some semblance of the same features in similar places, but give them a Mac interface, an iPhone interface, and an iPad interface.
 
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Lesson: don’t give software control over to a marketer with no prior software experience. Apple should re-hire Loren Brichter (put him in charge of iPhone software) and Mike Mattas (give him iPad software) and possibly even Louie (icon design). Whatever the cost. And charge Craig and the new CDO to return macOS to the golden age of usability and sophisticated appearance.

Reverse ALL poor decisions, including System Settings UI. Though do rename as “Settings”. Naming consistency across systems makes far more sense than forced design consistency. To understand software design is to understand this.

Consistency makes sense in some places and others it doesn’t. Having a control center on Macs makes sense, making it look like that when people are using a mouse cursor makes none from a sophistication and appearances and usage perspective—by all means have some semblance of the same features in similar places, but give them a Mac interface, an iPhone interface, and an iPad interface.
Thank you! "And charge Craig and the new CDO to return macOS to the golden age of usability and sophisticated appearance." Agree 100%.
 
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actually this digression into what constitutes a valid criticism is enlightening , aesthetics will always be subjective I fear , but functionality depends on the design specification - a fully functional implementation of a design may fall short of the functionality envisioned (or desired) by the user leading to the question who is misleading who. I admit I tend to blame marketing but users are also capable of self delusion. you of course will decide for yourself on whatever basis you determine is appropriate. enjoy (no I haven't upgraded to Tahoe simply because I see no compelling reason to do so)
 
Yup, Liquid Glass should have been opt-in, not opt-out.
This would have been the most fair outcome.

I think Apple should have known early on that a design language conceived around spatial computing was not automatically the best fit for a fixed 2D display without parallax, all in the name of consistency.

Opting in or out would be best suited for those with accessibility concerns.
 
Guys if you don't like macOS, switch to windows that's it...

I'd recommend Ubuntu Linux over Windows. As bad as MacOS has gotten (because Apple only cares about iPhones), it's still better than the AI-written, major new bug update after update, that is Windows 11.
 
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