MacRumors Official Nike+ November Challenges

[twoodcc]

Dude, I love your work. You crack me up.
First off, I'm a zen sort of guy. It's me against myself.

June was very interesting for me.
I exceeded my physical limits.
I kept running through the pain to see where I'd go with it or where it took me.
With one day to go I knew I had had enough so I stopped.
I could have managed a couple of more KM's that last day and won.
Winning is not a priority for me.
I had got what I wanted out of it.

OK. Are you ready for this? I'm going to tell you why I went with QC's and not TW's. Can you handle this? I hope so, it will be tough for you to deal with...................ready?.............I got a coin, heads TW's, tails QC's. You know the rest

well, you can say what you want about June, but we're in different time zones. i knew what i had to do to win, and i went out and did it. simple as that. you pushed me farther than i thought i could go, so i thank you for that. we pushed each other. i think that is what these challenges are all about.

maybe you did flip a coin, but for some reason, i really don't believe that. either way, it doesn't matter.

I just thought it was petty of someone who could run to pad stats with walking. If all they can do is walk or if they are beginners fine, but if you are at the top of your game and padding stats by walking then it seems petty - that was my comment. That plus the fact I was working my @$$ off and never getting close to winning and knowing I wasn't scoring the 'walking' when others were...it got under my skin. For myself - I turn the sensor on after warm up and turn it off for cool down - I am trying to get my lifetime time per mile to be informative and realistic for me - this way when I look at the charts I can see my improvement in time over time - I think it helps make the nike+ more of a tool when you record your training.

May be to difficult to 'make' teams as folks do come and go and most months only a few are actually consistent in mileage. It seems that the one challenge that was made in fun is becoming a bit too personal - so I will probably steer away from that again. Notice that there is little contention on the run for your Mac challenge. Ultimately, it is about everyone improving their health and having fun. So let's all do it.

i understand what you are saying, and you do have a point. it just depends on how you look at things. i had my reasons for walking. at least i was open about it and everything. you didn't see any lying or cheating or whatever from me. the main reason i walked was b/c i was going after the top guy on nike+. right now he has over 6,500 miles. i have just under 2,300. but i was gaining earlier in the summer.

anyways, i don't want this little conversation to ruin the challenges. i was just making a statement, i didn't mean anything about it. in fact, i kinda like it. the thing about me and QC is that we seem to be very similar when it comes to running, and the main difference is he likes to run farther, and i like to run faster. (going off of what i know, correct me if i'm wrong QC)

i love to hear about people's success on here, like the ones above. it makes it all worth it. so everyone, keep on running

 

[JimmyDreams]

I just thought it was petty of someone who could run to pad stats with walking. If all they can do is walk or if they are beginners fine, but if you are at the top of your game and padding stats by walking then it seems petty - that was my comment. That plus the fact I was working my @$$ off and never getting close to winning and knowing I wasn't scoring the 'walking' when others were...it got under my skin. For myself - I turn the sensor on after warm up and turn it off for cool down - I am trying to get my lifetime time per mile to be informative and realistic for me - this way when I look at the charts I can see my improvement in time over time - I think it helps make the nike+ more of a tool when you record your training.

I would like to see Nike+ input a 'double click' of the main button to turn on and off 'actual run stats' so that you could keep track of you actual run numbers. Personally, since I bought the Nike+ to challenge me and keep track of my exercise, I turn it on for my warm up and cool down periods (which includes walks, since that's part of the exercise). So yes, that DOES pad my mileage (to a small degree), it DOES affect my total time/mile averages in a negative way.

I can see where one may not want walking data included in challenges, but in the same vein, anyone who would do long walks on their off days JUST to pad their challenge numbers or win a challenge really isn't doing the challenge for the right reasons. JMHO.

Warmups and cooldowns are ok in my book. Going beyond that isn't really.

But the double click on and off for a seperate set of average numbers WOULD be helpful to cull out the warmups and cooldowns from your real data.

??

 

[ziwi]

I would like to see Nike+ input a 'double click' of the main button to turn on and off 'actual run stats' so that you could keep track of you actual run numbers. Personally, since I bought the Nike+ to challenge me and keep track of my exercise, I turn it on for my warm up and cool down periods (which includes walks, since that's part of the exercise). So yes, that DOES pad my mileage (to a small degree), it DOES affect my total time/mile averages in a negative way.

I can see where one may not want walking data included in challenges, but in the same vein, anyone who would do long walks on their off days JUST to pad their challenge numbers or win a challenge really isn't doing the challenge for the right reasons. JMHO.

Warmups and cooldowns are ok in my book. Going beyond that isn't really.

But the double click on and off for a seperate set of average numbers WOULD be helpful to cull out the warmups and cooldowns from your real data.

??

I agree that they are fine - I just choose not to put them in so I get a better idea of where I am at over the long haul.

 

[twoodcc]

I would like to see Nike+ input a 'double click' of the main button to turn on and off 'actual run stats' so that you could keep track of you actual run numbers. Personally, since I bought the Nike+ to challenge me and keep track of my exercise, I turn it on for my warm up and cool down periods (which includes walks, since that's part of the exercise). So yes, that DOES pad my mileage (to a small degree), it DOES affect my total time/mile averages in a negative way.

I can see where one may not want walking data included in challenges, but in the same vein, anyone who would do long walks on their off days JUST to pad their challenge numbers or win a challenge really isn't doing the challenge for the right reasons. JMHO.

Warmups and cooldowns are ok in my book. Going beyond that isn't really.

But the double click on and off for a seperate set of average numbers WOULD be helpful to cull out the warmups and cooldowns from your real data.

??

well the thing is, everyone's training is different, and people are running for different reasons. it's hard to say, you can walk, and you can't walk, blah blah blah.

but when it comes to a distance challenge, it's however far you can move your legs.

 

[Benga101]

Good Work. Distance or speed don't matter, the biggest hurdle is getting out and doing the first run. Make sure you do run number 2, then 3 etc.

Thank You

Glad I got out this morning - we have 3cm of snow now!

 

[Mudbug]

I went scuba diving yesterday - haven't yet figured out how to 1) get the nike+ kit to work accurately on a fin or 2) get a functional case for my nano to let me listen while I dive deeper than 10 ft. So... no counted miles for me, but I'll bet I burned about a billion calories while I was off the blacktop.

also on the walk vs. run counting in distance, you burn the same number of calories over distance walking or running - you just do it a good bit faster running. I'm just sayin'... for distance, it all counts. Not everyone here is part of a running team or group or anything organized - I'd say a large majority are regular folk just trying to get or stay in shape, regardless of the speed they travel doing it.

 

[itgoesbuzz]

Don't put off til tomorrow what you can do today...

it is 17 - 12 and the mileage is now tilted to the team with less folks. I still think that the potential to have a quick and large increase in miles is doable.

Is anyone running for training or just running? Do people run everyday? I like to do 4 or 5 days a week and have been doing 5 lately as a prevent defense for the holidays...

i try 4-5 days a week, but ill go any day as long as i feel fresh. i initially started running to help lose some weight but now i do it because ive come to enjoy it, and it is more convenient than driving to the gym. right now im trying to work on my distance.

 

[748s]

........maybe you did flip a coin, but for some reason, i really don't believe that. either way, it doesn't matter........

You know and I know there was no coin toss
It's all part of the subtle mind games we are playing
Much better than straight out trash talk

It was a deliberate action to join the QC's.
But not for any of the reasons you have put forward.
I'm going to run further opposite you than I would with you.
Plus I enjoy watching you when you realise you aren't out front.
The QC's move ahead of the TW's and all this stuff is going on.

Don't be so paranoid.
No one dislikes you.
If I'm in Georgia I'd like to say hi and go for a run! (got as far east as Nashville and birmingham before heading back west, last year).

I'm off to catch QC

 

[twoodcc]

I went scuba diving yesterday - haven't yet figured out how to 1) get the nike+ kit to work accurately on a fin or 2) get a functional case for my nano to let me listen while I dive deeper than 10 ft. So... no counted miles for me, but I'll bet I burned about a billion calories while I was off the blacktop.

also on the walk vs. run counting in distance, you burn the same number of calories over distance walking or running - you just do it a good bit faster running. I'm just sayin'... for distance, it all counts. Not everyone here is part of a running team or group or anything organized - I'd say a large majority are regular folk just trying to get or stay in shape, regardless of the speed they travel doing it.

cool, i'd like to go scuba diving one day

i'm not sure you'd burn the same number of calories, but i know what you mean

i try 4-5 days a week, but ill go any day as long as i feel fresh. i initially started running to help lose some weight but now i do it because ive come to enjoy it, and it is more convenient than driving to the gym. right now im trying to work on my distance.

that's really good that you've come to enjoy running

keep it up

You know and I know there was no coin toss
It's all part of the subtle mind games we are playing
Much better than straight out trash talk

It was a deliberate action to join the QC's.
But not for any of the reasons you have put forward.
I'm going to run further opposite you than I would with you.
Plus I enjoy watching you when you realise you aren't out front.
The QC's move ahead of the TW's and all this stuff is going on.

Don't be so paranoid.
No one dislikes you.
If I'm in Georgia I'd like to say hi and go for a run! (got as far east as Nashville and birmingham before heading back west, last year).

I'm off to catch QC

that's what i figured. and again, it's no big deal, and i'm not paranoid.

right now i have another challenge on my mind. i gotta beat this girl. she ran over 19 miles yesterday and over 13 today..... good thing speed is part of this challenge as well.

good. if you ever make it to Georgia, i'd be happy to go for a run with you

 

[ziwi]

also on the walk vs. run counting in distance, you burn the same number of calories over distance walking or running - you just do it a good bit faster running. I'm just sayin'... for distance, it all counts. Not everyone here is part of a running team or group or anything organized - I'd say a large majority are regular folk just trying to get or stay in shape, regardless of the speed they travel doing it.

Well, I guess I have to give up on this one...
To me if you are already an able runner and can put out miles to compete running in a distance challenge then walking to increase the distance is like going for it on 4th down when you are up by 28 points, but no NFL team would do that...oops, scratch that. Hopefully, you get the point, but like I said not my idea of good sportsmanship.

 

[twoodcc]

Well, I guess I have to give up on this one...
To me if you are already an able runner and can put out miles to compete running in a distance challenge then walking to increase the distance is like going for it on 4th down when you are up by 28 points, but no NFL team would do that...oops, scratch that. Hopefully, you get the point, but like I said not my idea of good sportsmanship.

well you really can't compare running to football. especially when you're talking about a challenge that doesn't mean much compared to professional football.

but besides that, you have to take into account that for most people, they aren't running just for that distance challenge. no matter how good of shape you're in, walking is always good for your legs. (espeically people with shin/calf problems, like myself)

 

[QCassidy352]

also on the walk vs. run counting in distance, you burn the same number of calories over distance walking or running - you just do it a good bit faster running. I'm just sayin'... for distance, it all counts. Not everyone here is part of a running team or group or anything organized - I'd say a large majority are regular folk just trying to get or stay in shape, regardless of the speed they travel doing it.

Well, I guess I have to give up on this one...
To me if you are already an able runner and can put out miles to compete running in a distance challenge then walking to increase the distance is like going for it on 4th down when you are up by 28 points, but no NFL team would do that...oops, scratch that. Hopefully, you get the point, but like I said not my idea of good sportsmanship.

I'm 100% with ziwi on this one (except the underhanded shot at the Patriots... but I won't digress). Steve Prefontaine used to say that he didn't consider running slower than 6 min/mile pace part of his training because it wasn't doing anything for him.

Pre may have been exaggerating, but the point is valid - for people who are in really good shape, walking is at MOST of a tiny, de minimus value to fitness. For people just getting in shape, it's different. And if the walking is part of the exercise routine (say, to warm up or cool down), then that's a little different too. (I still don't count it, but I can see the argument.) But if it's just walking around, in street clothes, as part of a daily routine, then that has no impact on fitness and no connection whatsoever to training.

It's not just the distance you travel. Walking a few minutes a bunch of times a day is not the same as a concerted effort to exercise, even if you cover the same distance in the end. It's not the same mentally, and it most certainly does not have the same effect on fitness.

the thing about me and QC is that we seem to be very similar when it comes to running, and the main difference is he likes to run farther, and i like to run faster. (going off of what i know, correct me if i'm wrong QC)

Not sure what you mean... I like to run far, and I like to run fast. If you're referring to the fact that I'm training for a marathon now, that's just because it's something I've always wanted to do, and this seems like a good time in my life. You're still training for track running, so obviously we're going to have to do some things differently to get to our respective goals, but I'm not sure there's a difference beyond the fact that we currently are working towards different things.

 

[twoodcc]

I'm 100% with ziwi on this one (except the underhanded shot at the Patriots... but I won't digress). Steve Prefontaine used to say that he didn't consider running slower than 6 min/mile pace part of his training because it wasn't doing anything for him.

Pre may have been exaggerating, but the point is valid - for people who are in really good shape, walking is at MOST of a tiny, de minimus value to fitness. For people just getting in shape, it's different. And if the walking is part of the exercise routine (say, to warm up or cool down), then that's a little different too. (I still don't count it, but I can see the argument.) But if it's just walking around, in street clothes, as part of a daily routine, then that has no impact on fitness and no connection whatsoever to training.

It's not just the distance you travel. Walking a few minutes a bunch of times a day is not the same as a concerted effort to exercise, even if you cover the same distance in the end. It's not the same mentally, and it most certainly does not have the same effect on fitness.

again, a distance challenge on nike+ doesn't have to be someone's "training". yeah, i would go to xc or track practice and walk. but for a nike+ distance challenge, anything goes. mainly b/c you can't see what others are doing (like you can at your own xc or track practice).

Not sure what you mean... I like to run far, and I like to run fast. If you're referring to the fact that I'm training for a marathon now, that's just because it's something I've always wanted to do, and this seems like a good time in my life. You're still training for track running, so obviously we're going to have to do some things differently to get to our respective goals, but I'm not sure there's a difference beyond the fact that we currently are working towards different things.

well, based on what you've said in the past, we've both run for a long time, we both have similar times in high school and college, etc. as far what i meant by you like distance more than me, that's exactly what i meant. the shorter the better for me.

 

[ziwi]

Challenges Update 19-Nov-2007

Ok, so we are now more than 1/2 way through the month and here is the challenge and update information for each one.

For the 2250 by end of 2007 one:

We should crush this challenge thanks to many committed runners. THe Pace for this as of today was about 701 miles as you can see we are significantly ahead of that pace.

For the Run for you Mac Challenge:

Looks like the MacBooks in a landslide here folks. What can we gleen from this? It appears that of those who run the MacBook is the most popular of the current Apple computer lineup. I wonder if the small sample here is an indication of the larger sales distribution of the lines. I would agree, but I do think the mini would be below the iMac and perhaps the iMac above the Mac Pro.

For the Twood vs QCassidy Challenge:

This is the touchy one. The QC's have a slight lead here and have the designation of being down 5 people - 17-12 at last count. The TW's team has 2 members with 0 miles logged, where the QC's have at least everyone over thowing something to the group. In the real sense it is all about the top performers on each squad and the top 3 on each team shows the difference:

Twood's:
Twood - 98.37
rickvanr - 85.1 (with the last being almost 12mi - nice)
beholland - 81.9
And then a drop off

QCassidy's:
QCassidy - 121.72
desmonator - 118.47
ziwi - 83.18
and then a drop off

You never know what folks are going to run and the wildcard was Desmonator - it is amazing what he can do when he wants to.... From the top 3 we can see the mileage difference - so as they go the teams are going, but that being said if the Twoods can leverage their extra guys to get out there it could be a swift turnaround.

It is nice that the teams namesake is the top performer for each team.

Keep on running - nothing is over until the 30th. Then we will have December to get motivated for. I think the team challenges are working out, but I do thik they need to be a bit more generic as to avoid issues in the future.

 

[twoodcc]

thanks for the updates ziwi

you continue to work on these challenges. great work.

don't worry about the challenges, there are no issues. just friendly competition, that's all. no need to worry.

now come on TW's! get out there and run!

 

[QCassidy352]

again, a distance challenge on nike+ doesn't have to be someone's "training". yeah, i would go to xc or track practice and walk. but for a nike+ distance challenge, anything goes. mainly b/c you can't see what others are doing (like you can at your own xc or track practice).

Well, that's where we disagree I guess. I see this as a training/fitness challenge for 3 reasons.

First, milage undertaken for the purposes of exercise is the only kind worth recording because it's the only kind that is going to matter for anyone's goals. Let's just say your goal is to run a 5k (or to get fit, or to run a good time, or whatever), and let's call your starting point 0. Well, even at "0," you walk around in your daily life, right? So by counting those miles that you stroll about on your nike+, you're giving yourself credit for something that you're not undertaking except incidentally.

Second, we all stroll about in our daily lives, and I'd bet that on the whole, we all walk roughly the same amount (or at least across teams I bet it averages out). So by counting those miles, we're inflating everyone's numbers with no real effect on the competition (or, only some people are inflating their numbers, and then we have an unbalanced playing field. So it's either pointless or bad.).

Third, it would be annoying as hell to wear my nike+ sensor an nano all day every day. It's annoying enough to take it running! Given that it all would roughly even out, why don't we all just spare ourselves the trouble of carrying the nano around?

Now, if you want to say that you're just carrying it around to monitor your own milage, then fine. But I don't really buy that because if you (generic "you," not twood in particular) were keeping a paper log only for yourself, there's no way you'd enter the miles spent going about your daily business!

Now, all of that said, since there are no "rules" (nor a way to enforce them, if there were rules), I guess everyone will just have to do what he or she thinks best.

Keep on running - nothing is over until the 30th. Then we will have December to get motivated for. I think the team challenges are working out, but I do thik they need to be a bit more generic as to avoid issues in the future.

Thanks for the updates ziwi! Let's see how people fare when they're stuffed with stuffing and other stuff!

 

[twoodcc]

Well, that's where we disagree I guess. I see this as a training/fitness challenge for 3 reasons.

First, milage undertaken for the purposes of exercise is the only kind worth recording because it's the only kind that is going to matter for anyone's goals. Let's just say your goal is to run a 5k (or to get fit, or to run a good time, or whatever), and let's call your starting point 0. Well, even at "0," you walk around in your daily life, right? So by counting those miles that you stroll about on your nike+, you're giving yourself credit for something that you're not undertaking except incidentally.

Second, we all stroll about in our daily lives, and I'd bet that on the whole, we all walk roughly the same amount (or at least across teams I bet it averages out). So by counting those miles, we're inflating everyone's numbers with no real effect on the competition (or, only some people are inflating their numbers, and then we have an unbalanced playing field. So it's either pointless or bad.).

Third, it would be annoying as hell to wear my nike+ sensor an nano all day every day. It's annoying enough to take it running! Given that it all would roughly even out, why don't we all just spare ourselves the trouble of carrying the nano around?

Now, if you want to say that you're just carrying it around to monitor your own milage, then fine. But I don't really buy that because if you (generic "you," not twood in particular) were keeping a paper log only for yourself, there's no way you'd enter the miles spent going about your daily business!

Now, all of that said, since there are no "rules" (nor a way to enforce them, if there were rules), I guess everyone will just have to do what he or she thinks best.

well i guess we'll just have to agree to disagree, even though i do see your point (i've seen your point the whole time, i just don't think you understand what i've been trying to say)

i think the main thing is that everything is relative to how you think. clearly i approach these challenges different from you, and they mean different things to me than you.

for most people, your first point makes sense. maybe i'm the exception? without these challenges, i'd still be running about the same. (maybe not 30 in one day and all that). so really, they had very little effect on my xc and track training. i know most people around here aren't on a xc or track team (even though some are). so your first point doesn't really affect me.

for your second point, all i've got to say is that some people walk a lot more than others. believe me, i'm one of them. i take the stairs when most don't dare (over 5 floors). not to say that this has an affect on the challenges or not though.

and your third point is just an opinion.

anyways, you're right, there are no rules, and almost no way to enforce them. but i haven't been walking any with them anyways. the real reason my pace got so slow was b/c i was playing football and basketball with the chip on my shoe and nano on my arm. it was a way to measure my exercise. sometimes i had like 25 min/mile

anyways, enough of that talk. come on TW's! i'm doing all i can (24 miles in the last 2 days). come with me!

 

[JimmyDreams]

, that's where we disagree I guess. I see this as a training/fitness challenge for 3 reasons.

First, milage undertaken for the purposes of exercise is the only kind worth recording because it's the only kind that is going to matter for anyone's goals. Let's just say your goal is to run a 5k (or to get fit, or to run a good time, or whatever), and let's call your starting point 0. Well, even at "0," you walk around in your daily life, right? So by counting those miles that you stroll about on your nike+, you're giving yourself credit for something that you're not undertaking except incidentally.

I agree that this isn't in the proper spirit of the idea behind what Nike+ was designed for. If I SPECIFICALLY go out for a walk, I'd count it because the action of walking was the intended purpose. But trying to include my trips to the mailbox, the bathroom, the laundry room etc., isn't really right, IMHO.

, we all stroll about in our daily lives, and I'd bet that on the whole, we all walk roughly the same amount (or at least across teams I bet it averages out). So by counting those miles, we're inflating everyone's numbers with no real effect on the competition (or, only some people are inflating their numbers, and then we have an unbalanced playing field. So it's either pointless or bad.).

This would add miles only to those who actually WORE their Nike+ all day. The vast majority of people wouldn't, so the only people benefiting from the inflated numbers would be someone going to this extreme.

anyways, you're right, there are no rules, and almost no way to enforce them. but i haven't been walking any with them anyways. the real reason my pace got so slow was b/c i was playing football and basketball with the chip on my shoe and nano on my arm. it was a way to measure my exercise. sometimes i had like 25 min/mile

Ok, I don't know anything about June, any previous challenges etc. before the start of this month, BUT....I gotta throw the BS flag here. Do you REALLY think that as a simple accelerometer, the Nike+ will give you ANY data of value when worn playing basketball or football? These activities are FULL of rapid starts and stops (nothing like a real walk or run). When you calibrate it, they specifically tell you to try and keep a steady comfortable pace and rhythm so that is can be accurate. Unless you calibrated it WHILE you were playing basketball, then that data is seriously 'questionable' and to use it in a challenge is...well...'questionable'.

FWIW, I like the idea of taking the stairs etc. THAT'S what more people need to do to increase physical conditioning.

 

[twoodcc]

Ok, I don't know anything about June, any previous challenges etc. before the start of this month, BUT....I gotta throw the BS flag here. Do you REALLY think that as a simple accelerometer, the Nike+ will give you ANY data of value when worn playing basketball or football? These activities are FULL of rapid starts and stops (nothing like a real walk or run). When you calibrate it, they specifically tell you to try and keep a steady comfortable pace and rhythm so that is can be accurate. Unless you calibrated it WHILE you were playing basketball, then that data is seriously 'questionable' and to use it in a challenge is...well...'questionable'.

FWIW, I like the idea of taking the stairs etc. THAT'S what more people need to do to increase physical conditioning.

sorry, i keep referring to June b/c i got in 243 miles, and over 30 on the last day to win the challenge. 748's pushed me to my limit.

football and basketball may sound kinda crazy to you, but you're not me. i've had 3 stress fractures. i must do cross-training as well as running. i run track in college. and yes, i do try to keep running the whole time i'm playing football or basketball. but again, i'm not doing that now, this was in the past. (not to say i won't do it again though)

we all have our own reasons for doing different things. right now i'm trying to beat this girl, but she's put up 39.5 miles in 2 days!

 

[QCassidy352]

well i guess we'll just have to agree to disagree, even though i do see your point (i've seen your point the whole time, i just don't think you understand what i've been trying to say)

I do understand what you're trying to say. I just think that a challenge that measures the "total amount you move your legs" is a meaningless and silly challenge for the three reasons I gave before.

for most people, your first point makes sense. maybe i'm the exception?

I don't think you or anyone else is an exception. I'm not talking about what you do only because of the nike+, but rather what you do for the purpose of exercising/training/getting in shape. What I'm calling "zero" is the point at which you move around just in order to live your life. That's the only "milage" that I think shouldn't count.

for your second point, all i've got to say is that some people walk a lot more than others.

Maybe so and maybe not. I like to think that I walk a lot more than most people, but I don't really have any idea how much the "average" person walks per day. And in team challenges like this, you gotta figure that it's going to more or less balance out anyway.

and your third point is just an opinion.

Yes of course it's an opinion, but that doesn't make it an invalid point. Unless I'm gravely mistaken, I doubt most people want to wear their nike+ shoes/shoes with a pouch attached and carry a nano around all day. Imagine two people who walk an equal amount per day, just in their daily lives, but one works in an office and can't wear sneakers to work, and the other is a college student (can wear sneakers all day).

In addition to the fact that the "milage" is junk for both of them, why should one get an edge in the challenges just because of what he's allowed to wear on his feet all day?

Since we've been debating this for months now, I think the macrumors nike+ community should come to a decision on this once and for all. If people are serious about winning (and it's clear we all are), then we need to be playing by the same rules. There's no "right" answer to the debate, but there can be a definitional answer for the purposes of having a fair challenge.

 

[twoodcc]

I do understand what you're trying to say. I just think that a challenge that measures the "total amount you move your legs" is a meaningless and silly challenge for the three reasons I gave before

but running is moving your legs. so, technically, one could make an argument that it's exactly what the challenge is all about

I don't think you or anyone else is an exception. I'm not talking about what you do only because of the nike+, but rather what you do for the purpose of exercising/training/getting in shape. What I'm calling "zero" is the point at which you move around just in order to live your life. That's the only "milage" that I think shouldn't count.

but what i'm saying is that nike+ is just fun for me. it's not my training. i think you misunderstood what i was trying to say.

Maybe so and maybe not. I like to think that I walk a lot more than most people, but I don't really have any idea how much the "average" person walks per day. And in team challenges like this, you gotta figure that it's going to more or less balance out anyway.

you probably do walk more than most people. i know i do. if nike+ gets people walking more everyday, i'd say that's a good thing. (of course, running is better)

Yes of course it's an opinion, but that doesn't make it an invalid point. Unless I'm gravely mistaken, I doubt most people want to wear their nike+ shoes/shoes with a pouch attached and carry a nano around all day. Imagine two people who walk an equal amount per day, just in their daily lives, but one works in an office and can't wear sneakers to work, and the other is a college student (can wear sneakers all day).

In addition to the fact that the "milage" is junk for both of them, why should one get an edge in the challenges just because of what he's allowed to wear on his feet all day?

that's like saying most people don't really want to run. clearly, some do. but there are tons that do it b/c they feel they almost have to. (i know tons who never run again after high school). but besides that, it's the point of the challenge. who is willing to run/walk more with their nano and sensor.

and honestly, sometimes i wonder how much i've actually walked in my life. and ran in my life. i do wish you could set it to "walk mode" and "run mode"

Since we've been debating this for months now, I think the macrumors nike+ community should come to a decision on this once and for all. If people are serious about winning (and it's clear we all are), then we need to be playing by the same rules. There's no "right" answer to the debate, but there can be a definitional answer for the purposes of having a fair challenge.

i'll agree with you here, but the only thing is some people are in other challenges besides this one. so if we made a run, they would have to abide by that run in all of their challenges. i have 29 active challenges going on right now

 

[QCassidy352]

but running is moving your legs. so, technically, one could make an argument that it's exactly what the challenge is all about

Running is moving your legs, but moving your legs is not necessarily running. I'll stand by my statement that a challenge that measures "moving your legs" is just silly because it's so over-inclusive (measures meaningless things).

but what i'm saying is that nike+ is just fun for me. it's not my training. i think you misunderstood what i was trying to say.

I do understand... but what you're saying isn't responsive to what I was saying. The point is the exercise/daily life distinction, not anything to do with whether you'd exercise less without the nike+.

that's like saying most people don't really want to run. clearly, some do. but there are tons that do it b/c they feel they almost have to. (i know tons who never run again after high school). but besides that, it's the point of the challenge. who is willing to run/walk more with their nano and sensor.

Wanting to run is not the same. Tons of people (you and I, for example) want to run in the absence of a challenge. Who would *want* to carry around a nano and sensor all day, unless it was for the purpose of a challenge?

And I totally disagree that the point of the challenge is "who is willing to run/walk more with the nano and sensor." The point of the challenge is to see who is willing to go out and exercise/train more.

See, this is why we need to have a definition for this challenge. We have fundamentally different ideas what it's about, and that leads us to count milage differently. Either definition is acceptable, but if different people are working with different definitions then we're not playing by the same rules and the competition won't be on a level playing field.

 

[twoodcc]

And I totally disagree that the point of the challenge is "who is willing to run/walk more with the nano and sensor." The point of the challenge is to see who is willing to go out and exercise/train more.

See, this is why we need to have a definition for this challenge. We have fundamentally different ideas what it's about, and that leads us to count milage differently. Either definition is acceptable, but if different people are working with different definitions then we're not playing by the same rules and the competition won't be on a level playing field.

how should i put this.....if the challenge is who can do the most distance in one month, then technically walking would count. if it said, "who can run the farthest with no walking allowed". or something like that, then you might have a reason to ban people from the challenge or call them out or whatever

but the point is, you will always have this problem. the only way to stop it would be to just not invite certain people to the challenge, and we sure don't want that, we want more people, not less.

to me, the fact the people are getting out there, whether it's running, walking, basketball, football, skipping, whatever they want to do. as long as they are doing something, rather than nothing. i believe that's the point of this. i might run over 150 miles this month, but that doesn't mean i don't need to do other sports for my quickness. and that doesn't mean there weren't times where i didn't run when i could have.

 

[MarkMS]

Anyway I can join in the fun? Just got the Nike+ kit and this seems like some great friendly competition. Bought it to see how well I'm doing now and how I can improve my running. FYI, I need a lot of improvement.

I'm new to all this, but I did just make a name on nike.com and put my first run. It was only 3/4s of a mile. That was all the time I had after trying to calibrate the thing for running and walking.

 

[twoodcc]

Anyway I can join in the fun? Just got the Nike+ kit and this seems like some great friendly competition. Bought it to see how well I'm doing now and how I can improve my running. FYI, I need a lot of improvement.

I'm new to all this, but I did just make a name on nike.com and put my first run. It was only 3/4s of a mile. That was all the time I had after trying to calibrate the thing for running and walking.

sure you can join. hopefully ziwi will see this and send you an invite. he will need either your nike id or your email address to add you.

welcome