Umm dude, you can't burn DVDs on a $1k imac and even if you could, media costs $60 a platter (for 90 minutes, gee), thats NUTS. DVD-Rs only play on 40-50% of home dvd players. DVD burning is riddled with problems. Don't forget, DVD burners are just going to be an ATA interface, thus X86 machines capable of burning DVDs will be cheaper in the long run. Scale of economy is in Intels favor. Finally, a gigahert will always be faster then a megahert, regardless of who designed and cut the chips.. A gallon is always more then a pint. Sure if we were talking about 800mhz vs 850mhz, instruction set could make a difference, but at 1.5ghz vs 800mhz, instruction processing overhead is unimportant.
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Umm dude, you can't burn DVDs on a $1k imac and even if you could, media costs $60 a platter (for 90 minutes, gee), thats NUTS. DVD-Rs only play on 40-50% of home dvd players. DVD burning is riddled with problems. Don't forget, DVD burners are just going to be an ATA interface, thus X86 machines capable of burning DVDs will be cheaper in the long run. Scale of economy is in Intels favor. Finally, a gigahert will always be faster then a megahert, regardless of who designed and cut the chips.. A gallon is always more then a pint. Sure if we were talking about 800mhz vs 850mhz, instruction set could make a difference, but at 1.5ghz vs 800mhz, instruction processing overhead is unimportant.
McFreggle
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Re: Not terribly impressed
Hi... I'm a bit in the same situation...
Me too, I am a Windows 2000 Power User, but since many years, I sympathize with the Macintosh-platform, and I've worked several times with it. In december last year, I introduced Mac-support at the university where I work, and since then, I have an Ruby iMac in my office (I really like the Ruby).
Me too, I'm considering of bying a Mac for personal use... An iMac seems reasonable (with or without LCD display), but I'm also considering of bying a laptop this fall, and now I don't know what to do: buy a PC laptop, and wait to buy a Mac, or just buy an iBook...
Anyhow... about the keynote... I'm also a bit disappointed, but I think that has much to do with all the great expectations you guys spreaded around here! "Wheee! It's gonna be a GREAT Macworld! LCD-iMacs! Super-G4's! Palmtops! ..." You created the expectations; Apple didn't promise a thing.
Steve Jobs knows what the consumer wants. But he also stays realistic. And with all the new innovations we got this year (he summed them all up - on purpose??) it's been good for a while. The iBooks are still selling very very good, and now he just has to keep up this pace, until it's REALLY time for great innovations -- and we will get them!
Steve Jobs also has sleepless nights because Apple still hasn't broken the symbolic 1 GHz barrier -- I find it somewhat pathetic how they KEEP doing those comparisons with the Pentium and KEEP saying the Megaherzes are a myth, but it's for their own sake...
I myself will always keep the PC as my primary platform, but it has to do with the stuff I do on PC and can't do on a Mac, but mark these words of a Windows-user: "Macintosh is nowadays more than ever THE platform for people who just want to work with a computer and doing all the stuff everything is doing, without having technical bagage. Apple is GREAT in providing SOLUTIONS, like they say it."
So please... don't let Apple down now. They need you; the world needs them.
Just my two cents.
Hi... I'm a bit in the same situation...
Me too, I am a Windows 2000 Power User, but since many years, I sympathize with the Macintosh-platform, and I've worked several times with it. In december last year, I introduced Mac-support at the university where I work, and since then, I have an Ruby iMac in my office (I really like the Ruby).
Me too, I'm considering of bying a Mac for personal use... An iMac seems reasonable (with or without LCD display), but I'm also considering of bying a laptop this fall, and now I don't know what to do: buy a PC laptop, and wait to buy a Mac, or just buy an iBook...
Anyhow... about the keynote... I'm also a bit disappointed, but I think that has much to do with all the great expectations you guys spreaded around here! "Wheee! It's gonna be a GREAT Macworld! LCD-iMacs! Super-G4's! Palmtops! ..." You created the expectations; Apple didn't promise a thing.
Steve Jobs knows what the consumer wants. But he also stays realistic. And with all the new innovations we got this year (he summed them all up - on purpose??) it's been good for a while. The iBooks are still selling very very good, and now he just has to keep up this pace, until it's REALLY time for great innovations -- and we will get them!
Steve Jobs also has sleepless nights because Apple still hasn't broken the symbolic 1 GHz barrier -- I find it somewhat pathetic how they KEEP doing those comparisons with the Pentium and KEEP saying the Megaherzes are a myth, but it's for their own sake...
I myself will always keep the PC as my primary platform, but it has to do with the stuff I do on PC and can't do on a Mac, but mark these words of a Windows-user: "Macintosh is nowadays more than ever THE platform for people who just want to work with a computer and doing all the stuff everything is doing, without having technical bagage. Apple is GREAT in providing SOLUTIONS, like they say it."
So please... don't let Apple down now. They need you; the world needs them.
Just my two cents.
menoinjun
macrumors 6502a
sick
listen, i'm just sick of people whining. I think that any step in the right direction is a good step, it doesn't have to be huge.
anyone else bummed about the price of the dual 800? i'm glad I have my dual 533/512/radeon. I dont want to spend the money for the new dual, and I need a better graphics card. other than that , a 733 for 1699!!!!! that's amazing!!
-Pete
listen, i'm just sick of people whining. I think that any step in the right direction is a good step, it doesn't have to be huge.
anyone else bummed about the price of the dual 800? i'm glad I have my dual 533/512/radeon. I dont want to spend the money for the new dual, and I need a better graphics card. other than that , a 733 for 1699!!!!! that's amazing!!
-Pete
expo keynote letdown
was anyone else totally let down by this keynote? no new enclosures (i condsider "quicksilver" a new color) and the only DP is the high-end 800 machine. i was really hopinf for DPs all across the line, even if it was 600 or 700. what a bummer from Apple!
was anyone else totally let down by this keynote? no new enclosures (i condsider "quicksilver" a new color) and the only DP is the high-end 800 machine. i was really hopinf for DPs all across the line, even if it was 600 or 700. what a bummer from Apple!
Can you feel the pain
Last year I was lucky enough to be at the conference, and fortunate enough to have my company sponser my trip...it was awesome minus the high expectaion for OSX that did not come, it was a typical look over hear, while we fail to deliver over here.
Can you imagine paying hundreds to sit in on that keynote (it is rather expensive) stand in line to get a seat, and listen to all of that advertisements, and then be asked to sit and applaud the families of Apple. Apple is a corporation that sells goods, that we give them money for in return, don't ask me to applaud engineers for selling me something overpriced and over promised. They have sunk to their lowest level, they rely on the emotion of Apple lovers to support them when they missed the boat!!! I was ready to buy, been waiting for this speech, I might as spend money on non-computer stuff.
Last year I was lucky enough to be at the conference, and fortunate enough to have my company sponser my trip...it was awesome minus the high expectaion for OSX that did not come, it was a typical look over hear, while we fail to deliver over here.
Can you imagine paying hundreds to sit in on that keynote (it is rather expensive) stand in line to get a seat, and listen to all of that advertisements, and then be asked to sit and applaud the families of Apple. Apple is a corporation that sells goods, that we give them money for in return, don't ask me to applaud engineers for selling me something overpriced and over promised. They have sunk to their lowest level, they rely on the emotion of Apple lovers to support them when they missed the boat!!! I was ready to buy, been waiting for this speech, I might as spend money on non-computer stuff.
I don't mind the so-called 'disappointment' of today: the iMac update, the slightly revised Power Mac enclosure, and no OS X update, but I am disappointed in that OS 9.2 isn't out yet. I recall that this site said it went GM about a week ago, but what happened? apple.com says that the new Macs will still ship with 9.1...
Well, after getting over my shock of seeing the rumored "smooth front" G4 tower posted here actually a reality on Apple's web site, I began to get the sinking feeling that seems to come around with every Macworld lately.
On a light note, interesting to see flower power and blue dalmation slink off-stage with nary a whisper, but I guess everyone expected that. The cube has also quietly disappeared from the Apple store. Again, no suprises, but I can't help thinking this thing could have sold well if it had been marketted and priced as an iMac replacement.
But apart from that...?...!....?.....
Nothing really compelling, a speed bump that barely keeps pace with "inflation", price RISES for base models. (the only ones I can afford)
I've been watching things slowly sink west for a while now. I pity of the reseller who wrote:
>The pricing is a horror... We were having enough troubles
>selling the computers in Australia with the old
>pricing.($1795 to $3195).
This is really the crux of the problem... No-one really questions that Apple is delivering some great hardware. The problem is that they're not delivering great value with that hardware... Once upon a time, I remember when they did.
I mean, a base model G4 has now increased A$200 in price over here in Australia! It's now A$3895 for the cheapest G4 Mac!
My flatmate just bought a new PC for music production. It's a 1GHz PIII with 512MB RAM, Ultra 166 SCSI and a 10,000RPM 18GB SCSI hard drive, ethernet, and an industrial strength 19" rack mount case - all parts were server quality, premium components. He, a dedicated PC user, actually seriously considered a G4 tower after seeing the of Macs in action with music production. But in the end, he went PC... Why? Because the price of his entire system was only A$1795. What could he have bought from Apple for the same money? Well, with the price bump on the "new" iMacs...absolutely nothing!
What makes it worse is that if he'd forgone his fancy rack mount case and Ultra 166 SCSI, he'd have got a 17" monitor, good sound card AND a faster processor for the same money.
Forget about the iMac competing here. It was a great machine when it came out, but that was YEARS ago, and all we've seen since then is changes of color and ever decreasing speed bumps and tweaks on the same tired design. The person who mentioned Gateway pricing is right, it IS scary when you look at the specs and price of PCs nowdays.
The new G4s are great machines. I really want one on my desk! But it's pretty much the same machine I've been drooling over for the past two years, with again, slight speed bumps. And, typically, the features that make it really worthwhile are only on the top of the line model, which is a ridiculous $7700 without even a monitor. No-one I know can afford that sort of dough for a computer.
Apple, please, pick up the ball, quick. Give me some really compelling reasons to buy a new Mac. I've been holding off for, like, a year, waiting for the next "big thing" that will finally make a new Mac a compelling purchase in the face of increasingly extreme value for money offered by PC vendors. Unfortunately, I'm finding the reasons gradually becoming less compelling, not more...
On a light note, interesting to see flower power and blue dalmation slink off-stage with nary a whisper, but I guess everyone expected that. The cube has also quietly disappeared from the Apple store. Again, no suprises, but I can't help thinking this thing could have sold well if it had been marketted and priced as an iMac replacement.
But apart from that...?...!....?.....
Nothing really compelling, a speed bump that barely keeps pace with "inflation", price RISES for base models. (the only ones I can afford)
I've been watching things slowly sink west for a while now. I pity of the reseller who wrote:
>The pricing is a horror... We were having enough troubles
>selling the computers in Australia with the old
>pricing.($1795 to $3195).
This is really the crux of the problem... No-one really questions that Apple is delivering some great hardware. The problem is that they're not delivering great value with that hardware... Once upon a time, I remember when they did.
I mean, a base model G4 has now increased A$200 in price over here in Australia! It's now A$3895 for the cheapest G4 Mac!
My flatmate just bought a new PC for music production. It's a 1GHz PIII with 512MB RAM, Ultra 166 SCSI and a 10,000RPM 18GB SCSI hard drive, ethernet, and an industrial strength 19" rack mount case - all parts were server quality, premium components. He, a dedicated PC user, actually seriously considered a G4 tower after seeing the of Macs in action with music production. But in the end, he went PC... Why? Because the price of his entire system was only A$1795. What could he have bought from Apple for the same money? Well, with the price bump on the "new" iMacs...absolutely nothing!
What makes it worse is that if he'd forgone his fancy rack mount case and Ultra 166 SCSI, he'd have got a 17" monitor, good sound card AND a faster processor for the same money.
Forget about the iMac competing here. It was a great machine when it came out, but that was YEARS ago, and all we've seen since then is changes of color and ever decreasing speed bumps and tweaks on the same tired design. The person who mentioned Gateway pricing is right, it IS scary when you look at the specs and price of PCs nowdays.
The new G4s are great machines. I really want one on my desk! But it's pretty much the same machine I've been drooling over for the past two years, with again, slight speed bumps. And, typically, the features that make it really worthwhile are only on the top of the line model, which is a ridiculous $7700 without even a monitor. No-one I know can afford that sort of dough for a computer.
Apple, please, pick up the ball, quick. Give me some really compelling reasons to buy a new Mac. I've been holding off for, like, a year, waiting for the next "big thing" that will finally make a new Mac a compelling purchase in the face of increasingly extreme value for money offered by PC vendors. Unfortunately, I'm finding the reasons gradually becoming less compelling, not more...
Whence the servers??
There seems to be (in my mind anyway) one big thing missing from the announcements...OK, two.
First, no new servers?!? In fact, the store still has old-enclosure 533 MHz servers. Uuuhhh... Apple? I suppose a more enterprise-oriented show might be the venue for rolling out new servers, but they have to at least update the current ones to the new form factor/CPU, don't they?
Second, no CD burner on TiBooks?!? I suppose it's hard to do with a slot-load, but this is just downright necessary.
There seems to be (in my mind anyway) one big thing missing from the announcements...OK, two.
First, no new servers?!? In fact, the store still has old-enclosure 533 MHz servers. Uuuhhh... Apple? I suppose a more enterprise-oriented show might be the venue for rolling out new servers, but they have to at least update the current ones to the new form factor/CPU, don't they?
Second, no CD burner on TiBooks?!? I suppose it's hard to do with a slot-load, but this is just downright necessary.
blakespot
Administrator
Is it me or what? I guess it's me...
I'm pretty pleased with the way things turned out. Speed-bumped iMacs...great. If there was no move to LCD, then we figured the enclosures would stay the same.
G4's... Quite a shift in MHz/pricepoint. A 733MHz lowend G4 is quite a fast machine. (With a GeForce 3, running Q3 for OS X, it came w/in 5-7fps of an Athlon 1.4 w/ GeForce 3 running Q3...that's impressive!) 867, faster still, not earthshakingly so--I'll bet it beats the Athlon 1.4 at Q3. But the dual 800--with OS X, that is some serious power. Serious power. It must be the fastest Q3 machine out there--not that this is why I use computers, to play Q3, but it's a fairly decent benchmark.
I just ordered a dual 800 + GeForce 3. (Removed the SuperDrive @ the on-line store.) I can't wait.
I'm pretty happy with the expo. The app demos looked _great_, much better price/performance on the G4 towers, improved iMacs, 10.1 coming, fixing all GUI speed issues, it seems. Anyone who was expecting new laptops was fooling themselves anyway.
I don't see why everyone is going through throes of torture and dissapointment. I just don't get it.
blakespot
[Edited by arn on 07-18-2001 at 03:06 PM]
I'm pretty pleased with the way things turned out. Speed-bumped iMacs...great. If there was no move to LCD, then we figured the enclosures would stay the same.
G4's... Quite a shift in MHz/pricepoint. A 733MHz lowend G4 is quite a fast machine. (With a GeForce 3, running Q3 for OS X, it came w/in 5-7fps of an Athlon 1.4 w/ GeForce 3 running Q3...that's impressive!) 867, faster still, not earthshakingly so--I'll bet it beats the Athlon 1.4 at Q3. But the dual 800--with OS X, that is some serious power. Serious power. It must be the fastest Q3 machine out there--not that this is why I use computers, to play Q3, but it's a fairly decent benchmark.
I just ordered a dual 800 + GeForce 3. (Removed the SuperDrive @ the on-line store.) I can't wait.
I'm pretty happy with the expo. The app demos looked _great_, much better price/performance on the G4 towers, improved iMacs, 10.1 coming, fixing all GUI speed issues, it seems. Anyone who was expecting new laptops was fooling themselves anyway.
I don't see why everyone is going through throes of torture and dissapointment. I just don't get it.
blakespot
[Edited by arn on 07-18-2001 at 03:06 PM]
You all created your own misery here. In case most of you just woke up from a coma, the economy isn't very healthy right now. What sane person (or company) would over-extend themself financially in these market conditions?
Most of you need a life, and have WAY too much time on your hands to fabricate these little stories and pipe dreams. It's all about hype with you people. Bunch of media whores. You're probably the same people (the ONLY people) who actually tune in to, and believe the American news. It's always MORE, or BIGGER, or FASTER, or WORSE THAN WE PRVIOUSLY THOUGHT! In reality it's just normalness with a stucco facade. Maybe that's the real dissapointment here. Maybe some of you don't have enough excitement in you own daily lives. I have some design to finish....
Good day
Most of you need a life, and have WAY too much time on your hands to fabricate these little stories and pipe dreams. It's all about hype with you people. Bunch of media whores. You're probably the same people (the ONLY people) who actually tune in to, and believe the American news. It's always MORE, or BIGGER, or FASTER, or WORSE THAN WE PRVIOUSLY THOUGHT! In reality it's just normalness with a stucco facade. Maybe that's the real dissapointment here. Maybe some of you don't have enough excitement in you own daily lives. I have some design to finish....
Good day
Besides, nobody has even considered the fact that they might be pouring their resources into the G5.
I'm outta here for good...lame-o's.
I dunno what machine your running on Blake, but an Athlon 1.4 GF2 Ultra (everything on, reasonable resolution) smokes your expensive 733 with GF3 in Q3. And its a LOT cheaper. make this riduculous claim at q3w forums and post your specs, you'll be embarrassed.
The enitre point of all this, is apples steps are small, analogies between a p4 and g4 are irrelevant unless everything has been optimised, apples are too expensive, and why have a smoking multiporcessor aware os, and nothing to run it on?
Its ok being an apologist, but being blind to the truth helps no one, least of all APPL.
The enitre point of all this, is apples steps are small, analogies between a p4 and g4 are irrelevant unless everything has been optimised, apples are too expensive, and why have a smoking multiporcessor aware os, and nothing to run it on?
Its ok being an apologist, but being blind to the truth helps no one, least of all APPL.
Why do you all suffer from Hardware ENVY?
First off,
New products are nice, "BUT" what you don't seem to understand is that all these wonderful new products you are hoping for don't mean anything unless you have software to run on them.
Mac OS X is a marvel to develop for. The key idea of this show was to support MAC OS X! It was to address professionals concerns of the software support for OS X. I personally could care less for any new (and sensless) hardware re-designs or updates.
Look at where almost an hour of the key speech was spent --- Software. This was and is THEE biggest concern for apple. They are starting essential a NEW platform of computing. If you don't realize that without great software there is no need for hardware you need to go and buy a PC.
I currently am using a Bondi G3-400 which I bought 2 years ago. This machine does ABSOLUTELY everything I need it to. I am a software developer in my spare time, and a graphic designer / network administrator by trade. My machine at home to this day runs EVERY single application perfectly with great speed. I work on a G4-450 at work, and I honestly do not find that robust of difference to warrant a need to purchase a NEW G4 anytime soon for home.
What it boils down to is that Apple makes great machines that outlast PC equivalents for life expectancy. I won a K6-233 as well at home that was SERIOUSLY outdated in a matter of 6 months. And i mean outdated. It will run hardly anything. Again, my mac of "2 years" is still running EVERYTHING perfectly.
Hardware is not such a big issue now a days. I am willing to bet that the majority of people here that are whining about lack of new designs or hardware incompetencies are either:
a) PC users thinking about adopting to MAC and are so used to the ongoing (stupid) processor/hardware wars on PC that they don't realize that apple tries to find everyway possible to support their systems as long as they possibly can.
b) uncreative and unresourceful to make the most out of what they currently own. IE. they care more about PENIS ENVY then using the damn machine to do what they are made for... Creativing. Some of the top graphic and sound studios still use (now old) PowerMac series computers. It is not the box that makes the user, it is the user that makes the user.
As the famous words of Arnold go:
"Stop your Whining!"
First off,
New products are nice, "BUT" what you don't seem to understand is that all these wonderful new products you are hoping for don't mean anything unless you have software to run on them.
Mac OS X is a marvel to develop for. The key idea of this show was to support MAC OS X! It was to address professionals concerns of the software support for OS X. I personally could care less for any new (and sensless) hardware re-designs or updates.
Look at where almost an hour of the key speech was spent --- Software. This was and is THEE biggest concern for apple. They are starting essential a NEW platform of computing. If you don't realize that without great software there is no need for hardware you need to go and buy a PC.
I currently am using a Bondi G3-400 which I bought 2 years ago. This machine does ABSOLUTELY everything I need it to. I am a software developer in my spare time, and a graphic designer / network administrator by trade. My machine at home to this day runs EVERY single application perfectly with great speed. I work on a G4-450 at work, and I honestly do not find that robust of difference to warrant a need to purchase a NEW G4 anytime soon for home.
What it boils down to is that Apple makes great machines that outlast PC equivalents for life expectancy. I won a K6-233 as well at home that was SERIOUSLY outdated in a matter of 6 months. And i mean outdated. It will run hardly anything. Again, my mac of "2 years" is still running EVERYTHING perfectly.
Hardware is not such a big issue now a days. I am willing to bet that the majority of people here that are whining about lack of new designs or hardware incompetencies are either:
a) PC users thinking about adopting to MAC and are so used to the ongoing (stupid) processor/hardware wars on PC that they don't realize that apple tries to find everyway possible to support their systems as long as they possibly can.
b) uncreative and unresourceful to make the most out of what they currently own. IE. they care more about PENIS ENVY then using the damn machine to do what they are made for... Creativing. Some of the top graphic and sound studios still use (now old) PowerMac series computers. It is not the box that makes the user, it is the user that makes the user.
As the famous words of Arnold go:
"Stop your Whining!"
most music studios still have an Atari kicking around - but I wouldnt pay 3 grande for one!
judging by the commenst jobs is purported to make after coming off stage, he knows hes blown it. Call us disastified people whiners all you like, but the stock market is calling you apologists.
judging by the commenst jobs is purported to make after coming off stage, he knows hes blown it. Call us disastified people whiners all you like, but the stock market is calling you apologists.
settle
Dissappointing, yet not a disaster. In the current economic situation and the problems with Motorola with the chips. I think apple has done pretty well here. Steve was uncomfortable up there, and he was pissed when that camera woudn't work. I think he would have liked this to be a much bigger show but it just wasn't possible right now to release LCD imacs, all new Powermacs, G5s, or a PDA. so in 3, 6 and 12 months we will see much bigger things. just not all at once. so calm down
Dissappointing, yet not a disaster. In the current economic situation and the problems with Motorola with the chips. I think apple has done pretty well here. Steve was uncomfortable up there, and he was pissed when that camera woudn't work. I think he would have liked this to be a much bigger show but it just wasn't possible right now to release LCD imacs, all new Powermacs, G5s, or a PDA. so in 3, 6 and 12 months we will see much bigger things. just not all at once. so calm down
Who would have liked to have been thrown that dig camera on the 1st go-round? OMG...
"here, I'll leave it to an expert..."
someone is clearing out their desk in Cupertino come Monday...
"here, I'll leave it to an expert..."
someone is clearing out their desk in Cupertino come Monday...
Shhh
Steve's theatrical performances finally has backfired...all of the secrecy has led to a dissappointing Apple Summit.
Steve's theatrical performances finally has backfired...all of the secrecy has led to a dissappointing Apple Summit.
blakespot
Administrator
Again, I'm quite satisfied with the turnout.
I purchased a b&w G3 400 the day it was available (Jan '99) and it's served me well for over 2.5 years. I just sold it on eBay for $1,050 for the tower and an added SCSI card and HD (~20GB total), 512MB RAM (cheap nowadays). Try to sell a PC that's 2.5 years old for that. That'd be a high-end PII, or a low-end PIII. Good luck. (Not that resale value should be a real factor in buying a computer, not if you're at all a power user, as I certainly am.)
Given that that machine lasted me 2.5 years, I think the dual-G4 800 + GeForce 3 I ordered in the Apple Store will last me a good while. Having followed NeXTSTEP (I own a NeXTSTATION, as well), I know how robust OS X's kernel is, and am aware that the multiprocessing will really be done in a robust and powerful manner on this excellent OS.
Why so much dissatisfaction from everyone? Were the app previews not impressive? Hell, Office for X seems insane fine. The Adobe apps, and the rest as well. Yes, it is a new platform (OS X) -- apps are not all here yert, but they're coming. What we're getting in this transition is so much better than Windows that it's not even funny. Unix core, stability, excellent GUI, robust SMP, etc. After using OS X for a while now at home, and using Linux on the servers here at work, Windows just feels WAY too proprietary...
...I thought about building an Athlon 1.4 system when I was wanting more speed (OS X is a bit slow, at present, on my old G3) and noticing I had a 2.5 year old machine, but I just could not bring myself to run Windows at home. This is an exciting time for Mac users--the ideal server and user OS is here. Do you expect this transition to take place in one day? Am I the only one who feels that we're in pretty much an ideal sitaution as far as OS and hardware, the only negative being price, but given your need for real power, that can be often worked out (proven by what I threw on a low-interest credit card this morning).
You guys can complain all you want. With OS X here and that dual G4 800 on the way, I'm more content than I've been in 20 years of messing with these keyboard-laden devices.
My $.02.
blakespot
I purchased a b&w G3 400 the day it was available (Jan '99) and it's served me well for over 2.5 years. I just sold it on eBay for $1,050 for the tower and an added SCSI card and HD (~20GB total), 512MB RAM (cheap nowadays). Try to sell a PC that's 2.5 years old for that. That'd be a high-end PII, or a low-end PIII. Good luck. (Not that resale value should be a real factor in buying a computer, not if you're at all a power user, as I certainly am.)
Given that that machine lasted me 2.5 years, I think the dual-G4 800 + GeForce 3 I ordered in the Apple Store will last me a good while. Having followed NeXTSTEP (I own a NeXTSTATION, as well), I know how robust OS X's kernel is, and am aware that the multiprocessing will really be done in a robust and powerful manner on this excellent OS.
Why so much dissatisfaction from everyone? Were the app previews not impressive? Hell, Office for X seems insane fine. The Adobe apps, and the rest as well. Yes, it is a new platform (OS X) -- apps are not all here yert, but they're coming. What we're getting in this transition is so much better than Windows that it's not even funny. Unix core, stability, excellent GUI, robust SMP, etc. After using OS X for a while now at home, and using Linux on the servers here at work, Windows just feels WAY too proprietary...
...I thought about building an Athlon 1.4 system when I was wanting more speed (OS X is a bit slow, at present, on my old G3) and noticing I had a 2.5 year old machine, but I just could not bring myself to run Windows at home. This is an exciting time for Mac users--the ideal server and user OS is here. Do you expect this transition to take place in one day? Am I the only one who feels that we're in pretty much an ideal sitaution as far as OS and hardware, the only negative being price, but given your need for real power, that can be often worked out (proven by what I threw on a low-interest credit card this morning).
You guys can complain all you want. With OS X here and that dual G4 800 on the way, I'm more content than I've been in 20 years of messing with these keyboard-laden devices.
My $.02.
blakespot
If you had been watching the stocks you would notice that stocks fell on opening of the market. Not due to what was said at Mac World or that a new Imac wasn't introduced (come on).
The tech sector in general saw a drop.
Investors don't like to see earnings drop. The reason why Apple opened low is because of their earnings report not MacWorld.
Again, that is why it was important for Apple to stress software announcements.
PEOPLE DO NOT WANT NEW HARDWARE EVERY YEAR! And the only people that do want new Hardware are generally SUPER high end users.
I can gaurantee that 1/2 the people whining about that lack of new hardward designs had no intention of purchasing a new computer anyway.
People are depending on Apple to be like a hollywood movie now. Since they have such eyecandy designs, people are expecting sequels. This is wrong. If you go to a movie just for the special effects, then you are missing the whole point of going to the movie. That is the story, and the value it gives you.
Something I feel Apple continues to do despite the special effects at this particular showing.
The future looks AMAZING for OS X!
AND PEOPLE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THAT! OS X IS THE SKELETAL STRUCTURE OF APPLE NOW, NOT HARDWARE!
If OS X fails, Apple is as good as dead. (period)
I am more excited than ever about this MacWorld! Did you see all the developers that are supporting MAC! Holy Cow! It is remarkable. More than ever before! This MacWorld was about just that... Mac OS X! No one who is eyeing Mac OS X right now cares about hardware really (save it for some other day). Something like 1000 developers (at start) are producing applications for Mac OS X. Microsoft has proven that software is what makes the computer! Apple is finally reaching into this with their target market perfectly laid out. And to boot, Apple's applications are OUTSTANDING! They are hitting EVERY niche. That is their goal. As soon as Apple gets their feet sunk nicely in OS X with everyon developing for it, I wouldn't be surprised to see they opening up the Hardware right for 3rd party vendors again.
In my opinion, I say hold tight.. The roller coaser is just starting. Don't worry about there not being a new Bee, Dalmation, or big bird coloured Imac. it isn't what is important right now.
Apple is a strong company, and will survive for quite a while despite sales drops.
Software innovation is key right now.
The tech sector in general saw a drop.
Investors don't like to see earnings drop. The reason why Apple opened low is because of their earnings report not MacWorld.
Again, that is why it was important for Apple to stress software announcements.
PEOPLE DO NOT WANT NEW HARDWARE EVERY YEAR! And the only people that do want new Hardware are generally SUPER high end users.
I can gaurantee that 1/2 the people whining about that lack of new hardward designs had no intention of purchasing a new computer anyway.
People are depending on Apple to be like a hollywood movie now. Since they have such eyecandy designs, people are expecting sequels. This is wrong. If you go to a movie just for the special effects, then you are missing the whole point of going to the movie. That is the story, and the value it gives you.
Something I feel Apple continues to do despite the special effects at this particular showing.
The future looks AMAZING for OS X!
AND PEOPLE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THAT! OS X IS THE SKELETAL STRUCTURE OF APPLE NOW, NOT HARDWARE!
If OS X fails, Apple is as good as dead. (period)
I am more excited than ever about this MacWorld! Did you see all the developers that are supporting MAC! Holy Cow! It is remarkable. More than ever before! This MacWorld was about just that... Mac OS X! No one who is eyeing Mac OS X right now cares about hardware really (save it for some other day). Something like 1000 developers (at start) are producing applications for Mac OS X. Microsoft has proven that software is what makes the computer! Apple is finally reaching into this with their target market perfectly laid out. And to boot, Apple's applications are OUTSTANDING! They are hitting EVERY niche. That is their goal. As soon as Apple gets their feet sunk nicely in OS X with everyon developing for it, I wouldn't be surprised to see they opening up the Hardware right for 3rd party vendors again.
In my opinion, I say hold tight.. The roller coaser is just starting. Don't worry about there not being a new Bee, Dalmation, or big bird coloured Imac. it isn't what is important right now.
Apple is a strong company, and will survive for quite a while despite sales drops.
Software innovation is key right now.
blakespot
Administrator
re: tYNS
Yes, I agree mostly with your points. OS X is the core of Apple now. They are not going to STOP hardware, but OS X is the force. People don't realize how superior it is to OS 9. Windows 95, from a kernel perspective, is superior to OS 9, hands down. That's sad. OS X is far superior to Windows 2000, and its Mach + BSD underpinnings are more robust than Linux's implementation of *nix.
It's a crazy fine time right now. With Appls like MAYA coming, the perceived quality of Office for OS X, Adobe's committment, etc. -- it's just great. Yes, it's a new environment with a new feel, etc. but it is the best thing out there. Hell, I'd far rather have a crazy fast OS X box than Solaris running on a decently fast Sun. On top of all the Unix power, I can run virtually all old MacOS apps in Classic, or dual boot if need be. Sun cannot do that. And VPC on X--obviously a platform emulator is more ideally running on something like Unix than OS 9!!
It's a great time.
As for the frequent new hardware. Remember that the new hardware is not geared only at people who've bought Macs in recent years, but also at new users. It's rather important that new users have modern hardware that's competitive with what's out there in the PC world to purchase. The speed upgrades are necessary. And they happen more frequently in the PC world, actually--it's just low key because who gives a flying crap when a new Dell is rolled out?? (How long was the line at the opening of the nearest Gateway store??) It's just higher profile as Apple, and you're more aware of it.
Again--I'm quite charged after this excellent expo. Can't wait for my dual G4 800 to arrive.
blakespot
Yes, I agree mostly with your points. OS X is the core of Apple now. They are not going to STOP hardware, but OS X is the force. People don't realize how superior it is to OS 9. Windows 95, from a kernel perspective, is superior to OS 9, hands down. That's sad. OS X is far superior to Windows 2000, and its Mach + BSD underpinnings are more robust than Linux's implementation of *nix.
It's a crazy fine time right now. With Appls like MAYA coming, the perceived quality of Office for OS X, Adobe's committment, etc. -- it's just great. Yes, it's a new environment with a new feel, etc. but it is the best thing out there. Hell, I'd far rather have a crazy fast OS X box than Solaris running on a decently fast Sun. On top of all the Unix power, I can run virtually all old MacOS apps in Classic, or dual boot if need be. Sun cannot do that. And VPC on X--obviously a platform emulator is more ideally running on something like Unix than OS 9!!
It's a great time.
As for the frequent new hardware. Remember that the new hardware is not geared only at people who've bought Macs in recent years, but also at new users. It's rather important that new users have modern hardware that's competitive with what's out there in the PC world to purchase. The speed upgrades are necessary. And they happen more frequently in the PC world, actually--it's just low key because who gives a flying crap when a new Dell is rolled out?? (How long was the line at the opening of the nearest Gateway store??) It's just higher profile as Apple, and you're more aware of it.
Again--I'm quite charged after this excellent expo. Can't wait for my dual G4 800 to arrive.
blakespot
Photoshop on X
I was hoping Adobe would talk about Photoshop instead of GoLive during the "Ten on X" portion. After the keynote I went to Apple's Powermac movie page so I could watch the Promotion video without all that choppy interference of streaming video. I found something strange. While talking about the new G4, Apple's Senior Vice-President of Software Engineering, John Rubinstein comments that "the new 867 MHz system runs Photoshop 50% faster than the latest 1.7 GHz Intel system." What confused me was that while he said this what appeared to be Photoshop was running in Mac OS X. This amazed me. Why would Adobe not mention a word about Photoshop on X if it was currently in production?
I was hoping Adobe would talk about Photoshop instead of GoLive during the "Ten on X" portion. After the keynote I went to Apple's Powermac movie page so I could watch the Promotion video without all that choppy interference of streaming video. I found something strange. While talking about the new G4, Apple's Senior Vice-President of Software Engineering, John Rubinstein comments that "the new 867 MHz system runs Photoshop 50% faster than the latest 1.7 GHz Intel system." What confused me was that while he said this what appeared to be Photoshop was running in Mac OS X. This amazed me. Why would Adobe not mention a word about Photoshop on X if it was currently in production?
You see? even Apple fans agree with me!
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ps - the stocks are *not* being helped by the perceived weak line up. OSx wont help apple for the next quarter.
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ps - the stocks are *not* being helped by the perceived weak line up. OSx wont help apple for the next quarter.