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Re: Re: TOTALLY DISAPPOINTED NEW MAC USER!!!

Originally posted by sneed


Is this your first computer purchase? There is always something bigger, faster, cheaper around the bend. Pissed at Apple? Be pissed at yourself for buying a month before MWNY.


True, it happens to almost everyone. I bought my iBook in April and a couple of weeks later the 700mhz model was released, am I mad about it HELL no I love my iBook and I think of it this way, I'm paying my dues, literally 😀

CedMan said "Crappy ugrade"???

ha

when its released you up UPgrade will here a different tune from you.
 
http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2000/jan/05netstrategy.html

Hmmm, "mac users can do things pc users only dream about" nice BS apple

Apple Unveils Internet Strategy

iTools - A Revolutionary New Category of Internet Services
KidSafe - Finally a Way to Protect Our Kids on the Internet

MACWORLD EXPO, SAN FRANCISCO—January 5, 2000—Apple® today took the wraps off its highly
anticipated Internet strategy, introducing a new category of Internet services called iTools; a completely
redesigned Apple.com web site featuring iReview and iCards; and a multi-year partnership and investment
with Earthlink for Internet access (see related release).

iTools is a revolutionary new category of Internet services that takes advantage of Apple’s unique technology on both ends of the Internet—the operating system on the client side (Mac® OS 9) and the services software running on Apple’s Internet servers (iTools). Providing the software on both ends of the Internet offers Apple the unprecedented ability to offer services impossible to implement solely on Internet servers.

“Our new iReviews, iCards and the revolutionary iTools offer amazing new ways for Mac users to take full
advantage of the Internet,” said Steve Jobs, Apple’s iCEO. “Mac users can now do things on the Internet that Wintel users can only dream of.”

iTools is free to Macintosh® users running the Mac OS 9 operating system, and can be accessed at Apple.com using any Internet connection. Apple’s first four iTools premiere today:

[. . .]
Mac.com, an email service run by Apple. Mac.com gives users an exclusive address on the Internet
and works with standard POP email clients, such as Outlook Express, Eudora and Netscape
Communicator. Mac.com users can easily set up automatic replies and forwarding of their email to
other email addresses, and configure Outlook Express for their Mac.com mailbox from a simple webpage;
iDisk, 20 megabytes of personal Internet-based storage on Apple’s Internet Servers. iDisk is an
entirely new way to store, transfer and share files over the Internet, and it’s as easy as using a folder
on your Mac® desktop; and HomePage, the easiest way to build your own personal web site in less than 10 minutes and host it on Apple’s Internet servers. Your personal web site can include electronic photo albums, iMovies™, resumes, announcements, etc., and you can update it as often as you like. HomePage sites are created and managed from an easy-to-use web page, and can easily incorporate materials such as photos and iMovies which have been copied onto the author’s iDisk.

“In addition to being an educator, I’m also a parent, and KidSafe is a very simple and straightforward way to protect both students and my kids from inappropriate web sites,” said Jeff Anderson, director of Information Services and Technology for Deer Valley Unified School District in Glendale, AZ. “KidSafe allows you to put the computer back in your child’s room without having to worry about what web sites they have access
to.”

[. . .]
The newly redesigned Apple.com web site features iReview and iCards. iReview is the Internet’s finest web site review guide, with web sites reviewed and rated by Apple. iReview currently contains over 250 reviewed and rated sites, with over 1,000 expected by summer 2000. iCards is Apple’s electronic greeting card site, offering premium greetings cards that can be sent and viewed via standard email.

On the new Apple.com, iTools, iReview and iCards join the existing online Store, QuickTime™ and Support areas in a tab bar which is always at the top of every page on the site, dramatically increasing the visibility of these highly-trafficked areas.

Pricing and Availability
Membership to iTools is free to Macintosh users running Mac OS 9. iReview and iCards are free to all
computer users. iTools, iReview and iCards are available at Apple’s web site at www.apple.com via any
Internet connection.

Apple ignited the personal computer revolution in the 1970s with the Apple II, and reinvented the personal
computer in the 1980s with the Macintosh. Apple is now recommitted to its original mission—to bring the
best personal computing products and support to students, educators, designers, scientists, engineers,
businesspersons and consumers in over 140 countries around the world.
 
Originally posted by Mr.Hey

Do you think the disappointment that people are having with this years MWNY could have something to do with Mac rumors sites and the level of expectation they helped build in your minds and when it was impossible to be realisticly reached you have the nerve to blame Apple? (no wonder steve wants to do away with them).

Nope.
Charging $49 for a previously free email address,
No modern tech or decently powered PowerMacs (hasn't Apple heard of Moore's law?)
No upgrade price of 10.2 - $129 for everyone.

These are all disappointments in and of themselves - they would be disappointing if there wasn't a single rumor site on the planet.
 
UMMM...How come I don't see a $20 10.2 upgrade anywhere at the Apple store?!?!?

Are they REALLY charging people who have OS 10.1 $129 to upgrade to 10.2?!?!?

The speed enhancements it is supposed to have are swell and all, but the speed should have been there BEFORE THEY RELEASED OS X.0.0!!

I can't believe someone (ME!) who used (PAID FOR) the beta of OSX, then PAID FOR the REAL OSX.o, then PAID the UPGRADE TO OS X.1, now has to PAY FULL PRICE FOR THE %&@#ing UPGRADE TO 10.2!!!

What was the point of switching to OSX, and being one of the faithful early adopters, if I could just have waited until the OSX was viable and worked well, and paid once and saved $150!?!?

I mean, iChat and iSync and all are swell, but I will never use them!!!
Maybe 1% of mac users might try to use the cel phone sync thing. Less will use Ink, and I have a huge Wacom tablet!

All I want is a faster and more stable OS.

Damn.

At least if they called the thing OS 11 or something, just to ease the psychological stress!

I wish "Apple" had an "s" in it so we could start using the "$" like in Micro$oft.

I just got an e-mail from $Apple's mailing list, letting me know Jaguar will be available soon, and I can buy it for $129, or buy a new Mac.

WOW!
REALLY?!?
CAN I?!?!

THAT WOULD BE GREAT!

YOU *%$#@%&!
 
Originally posted by BobVB


Nope.
Charging $49 for a previously free email address,
No modern tech or decently powered PowerMacs (hasn't Apple heard of Moore's law?)
No upgrade price of 10.2 - $129 for everyone.

These are all disappointments in and of themselves - they would be disappointing if there wasn't a single rumor site on the planet.



The innovators of the personal computer? yes I think they've heard of moore. And who told you it wouldn't cost $49 or be free Rumor Sites!!!. It costs what it costs
and so you understand its not an upgrade

Apple taken for granted, I think so.
 
processing power - do we need more?

try telling discreet or the makers/users of maya that macs have plenty of power. they do not, well, not my 450. and even my bros dual 800 does not fly with the above.

power users are those using software that makes demands...demands that the current lineup struggles to meet.
 
the facts:

Hotmail and Yahoo mail are FREE. Thats the truth.
Why are they free? Its called ADVERTISING. mac.com addresses advertise Apple constantly - maybe 2 million free ads a day.
Now we have to pay to advertise Apple? OK, but not $100.

mac.com at $100 is overpriced, ad more to the point, if you are going to start selling services, give the customer CHOICE!
(I will pay $20 for my mac.com address - I dont need no stinking Virus 'protection' or a few megs of space on ssome remore server, thanks.

OSX isnt catching on so well because not all the software is available (no Quark etc.)
Just because Apple decide to build new OS doesnt mean that all the software companies out there have new features and upgrades at the same time.

Office X has no real advantages over Office2001 on OS9. Oh, its slower, so you get more time to reflect on edits......

The hardware is falling a long way behind - the PowerPC chip isnt getting much dev. cash. Why? Because IBM and Motorola are doing there own things
and Apple doesnt sell enough computers to force development along.

Yes, I did JUST buy a new G4 powerbook 667. $4800 CAD dollars and its got 10.1.4. When did I buy it? 10 days ago.

Do I want a free upgrade? NO. I just want a paid upgrade, not a $200 CAD "new" OS - because its just an upgrade, right?

I am prepared to pay $75 CAD for it.

Do I care about the f***ing iPod? NO. I have a 5 gig, its great. 10 gig? 20 gig? A hard drive of 30 gig capacity is available for about $150 CAD. Toshiba.
I have a FireWire case with a 6 gig in it, Oxford 911 chip, perfect for backup.

I dont want 4000 songs on my iPod - thats just silly. I have over 5 days of music on my itunes, I just switch them around on the 'pod now and again.

Theres a lot wrong with Apple, and a lot right.
However, hosing the customers is a bad thing.

I still will not use Windows etc. - Apple for all their faults is still where I do my computing.
 
Re: Re: Take a trip back in time.

Originally posted by ImAlwaysRight



Hmmm, let's think about this. Last July's mid-range PowerMac was 867MHz Quicksilver. How far have we progressed in one year? 933MHz Quicksilver. A whole freaking 50MHz on the mid-powermac? Whooppie! I can't chill when I'm this excited. Sure, it has the same 133MHz bus, but, man, we've gone up 50MHz on the mid-range PowerMac over the time span of a year! Yeah! This ought to get people switching left and right!

it may not be immediately evident, but there is sarcasm in the above paragraph

Umm.. the high end isn't 933.. and it hasn't been for 6 months.
 
Originally posted by Mr.Hey
The innovators of the personal computer? yes I think they've heard of moore. And who told you it wouldn't cost $49 or be free Rumor Sites!!!. It costs what it costs
and so you understand its not an upgrade

Apple taken for granted, I think so.

Gosh, a troll 😉

If apple has heard of Moore's law you surely don't see it from their CPUs. And it was apple that gave out the free email addresses to apple owners. And 10.2 following 10.1.5 isn't an upgrade? How do you figure that?

Its Apple thats taking their users for granted. I've owned a Mac since the first day they were available, but at this expo was very disappointing.
 
Originally posted by discolove
I just sent this to Apple. I'm not that happy at the moment.


Dear Mr/Miss,

I just read through the FAQ and noticed that you are going to deactivate my @mac.com email unless I pay $49.99 before 30 September.

Honestly, I've never had a single complaint about Apple before and, as soon as I've had a chance, I have always recommended your products and services to friends of mine.
Because of this my best friend and his girlfriend changed from an @hotmail.com email to a @mac.com email a couple of weeks ago. I feel quite sorry for them since their email accounts now will be deleted.

As I mentioned earlier I've never had anything bad to say about Apple but now I do. I feel deeply dissapointed and don't think that I'll ever defend Apple, as I've always done before, again.

I suppose that you will receive a lot of complaints like this and just trash my email straight away but if you decide to reply I would prefer not to have a standard reply saying that you are doing it for the customer and that you're improving the service and so on.

Best regards,
Mikael who used to be a very happy Mac user.

Dang. You beat me to it. I would have said the exact same thing. I feel so abandoned by Apple with this development.
 
moore's law

Originally posted by BobVB


Gosh, a troll 😉

If apple has heard of Moore's law you surely don't see it from their CPUs. And it was apple that gave out the free email addresses to apple owners. And 10.2 following 10.1.5 isn't an upgrade? How do you figure that?

Its Apple thats taking their users for granted. I've owned a Mac since the first day they were available, but at this expo was very disappointing.

Well, I've heard about Moore's Law, and so have you, apparently, but what does that have to do with anything? Moore's Law does not say that processing power has to double every 18 mos. to be useful, just that it will double every 18 months, and even then, Moore himself, has acknowledged that that rate will slow down.

That said, you are very clever... about Apple not hearing of Moore's Law I mean. It was even more clever the second time.
 
Originally posted by Ramble
iTools is free to Macintosh® users running the Mac OS 9 operating system, and can be accessed at Apple.com using any Internet connection.
SJ burried OS9 not long ago so now we have to pay for iTools...
 
Originally posted by BobVB


Gosh, a troll 😉

You see what happens when you call me a troll you loose an eye 😀 don't mess with me. I ****en love this computer maker yes thats right LOVE.



Oh shut up your bunch of freeloaders😛

😉 My eye, my eye who did that!!!!!
 
Re: moore's law

Originally posted by sneed
Well, I've heard about Moore's Law, and so have you, apparently, but what does that have to do with anything?

Because as long as the other side of the house is keeping up with it, Apple needs to too if they plan on selling computers in quantity. The further behind they get the less likely they are going to sell units. Ice that cake with charging for a previously free email address and charging full price for an OS upgrade and you have a sorry piece of pastry.

Again, very disappointing.
 
Re: processing power - do we need more?

Originally posted by gelbin
try telling discreet or the makers/users of maya that macs have plenty of power. they do not, well, not my 450. and even my bros dual 800 does not fly with the above.

power users are those using software that makes demands...demands that the current lineup struggles to meet.

Simple. Buy 4 x-serve boxes as your desktop unit and have 8 processors on a real bus.

Rocketman
 
Originally posted by BobVB


Its Apple thats taking their users for granted. I've owned a Mac since the first day they were available, but at this expo was very disappointing.

To say it is taking its users for granted is unfair. Yes in a recession they are raising revenue in new areas. Not having an email only cripple-price for dot-mac is bad. They should change that based on consumer feedback, yes, even from rumour sites.

But the massive innovation in software to add speed, features, connectivity and "vertical market support" may very well be nothing short of astounding. Yes they are charging $130 for it. And I also agree early adopters and repeat adopters are getting shafted. There should be a $40 discount for EVERY OSX lisence you paid for and own.

But with these exceptions in Apple pricing errors, I think we all can agree, that Macs simply do more stuff, more reliably, with a longer life span, and at a comparible price than a PC and its associated software, peripherals, add-ons, etc to achieve a poor equivelent of capability. Even if macs were 30% more money that would still be a great vlaue.

Yes a few things are wack. I hope Apple responds to correct as they have in past debacles. And for users of the full range of dot-mac services $100 is a good deal. The problem lies with low end users who effectively used it only because it was free and now are being charged *infinitely more* than before.

Rocketman
 
Thoughts from a recent Mac convert

I'm a recent convert to Mac from PC. The main reason I moved from PC to Mac was because I hated the whole Product Activation crap, and the move to .net. And now it seems like Apple is following M$.

I understand Apple is a business, but did they not take into account the current recession, and bad economy. I mean 1.5 million workers have been laid off in the last year in the US alone (me being one of them). This would not seem like a good time to start milking your customers for more revenue.

You are correct M$ can do it, but they have 95-97% of the industry. So it's not going to matter to them if 10 or 15% percent of PC users don't go along with .net or software as a service. But with Apple only holding a 3-5% share, I would think they might be a little worried if the majority of their users don't sign up for this service. I think it would not only look bad PR wise, but it would look bad to investers as well, no?

Maybe they started charging for .mac because they need the money after buying up all those software companies?

And I agree with the one poster who said, what good are those upgrade coupons that came with my mac, if I have to pay full price?

I sure will miss my .mac email address.

Also I'm glad that a good deal of people on here can afford the full upgrade price and the money for .mac. But I don't think that entitles you to belittle others because they are not in your same income bracket. I don't think people choose to have lower incomes.

What do y'all think?

Cheers,

MDMAN
 
Re: Re: moore's law

Originally posted by BobVB


Because as long as the other side of the house is keeping up with it, Apple needs to too if they plan on selling computers in quantity. The further behind they get the less likely they are going to sell units. Ice that cake with charging for a previously free email address and charging full price for an OS upgrade and you have a sorry piece of pastry.

Again, very disappointing.

Not to nit-picky, but one of the primary reasons behind AMD and Intel's poor performance of late is that while their speeds have been increasing, the majority of the software out there doesn't need the processing power. If Moore's Law meant that consumers would clamor for increased processing power every 18 months, AND that were true, then you might have something.


🙂
 
moore's law

Originally posted by BobVB


Gosh, a troll 😉

If apple has heard of Moore's law you surely don't see it from their CPUs. And it was apple that gave out the free email addresses to apple owners. And 10.2 following 10.1.5 isn't an upgrade? How do you figure that?

Its Apple thats taking their users for granted. I've owned a Mac since the first day they were available, but at this expo was very disappointing.

Well, I've heard about Moore's Law, and so have you, apparently, but what does that have to do with anything? Moore's Law does not say that processing power has to double every 18 mos. to be useful, just that it will double every 18 months, and even then, Moore himself, has acknowledged that that rate will slow down.

That said, you are very clever... about Apple not hearing of Moore's Law I mean. It was even more clever the second time.
 
this is for everyone ranting bout the new .Mac service. I do agree ita a bit expensive, but Steve Jobs is right the days of the free internet are over. i just read a artical about M$ MSN explorer will charge a fee for useing the browser even if u don't have a MSN interent. Hotmails down to 2 megs of space now, soon it'll be none for free. Times have changed and in the state of this economy is not helping with all these charges. But most people who like the service will pay the extra for it.

thats my 2 cents
 
Microsoft or Apple? What's the difference?

If this were Microsoft taking free services away and intentionally moving users to a pay for service only strategy. Or if it were Microsoft performing an operating system upgrade and charging all users the same price with no upgrade path. Then you guys would be bashing Microsoft and using it as ammo for future PC Vs. MAC rants!

Well now that it is Apple's, turn to sh*t all over it's loyal users. You guys are still acting like Steve Jobs and Apple are made of gold and could never do any wrong. Well wise up! Apple & Steve Jobs care about one thing (Their pocketbooks!).

Woz was the soul of Apple! Jobs is the A**hole of Apple!
 
Re: Very Unhappy no @mac.com light for free

Originally posted by DeepDish
We need to e-mail Apple to ask them to create an @mac.com light option.


yep, been thinken the same thang😎
 
Re: Re: Apple is in Trouble!

Originally posted by Rocketman


Buy on rumour, sell on news. Today is probably a particularly day to BUY apple stock or dollar cost average it. Or go long.

Rocketman
But Apples stock price was tanking before the keynote to. Apple stock just sucks right now. The consumer line up isn't bad but the pro hardware needs some help. And why are they charging for e-mail. They aren't getting any money from me for that.
Shane
 
Ok, see all of your points here, but here is my story:
I own (and work) with a G4 867 + 10.1.5 and I am very satisfied with it. Actually this is my second mac after switching from peecee to mac 2 years ago 😉
A week ago, I just bought a new peecee (!) just for rendering and playing games and paid about 1000 Euros for it, which is a pretty nice deal for GeForce 4 Ti, 2 GHz AMD, 512 DDR Ram, 80 GB HD etc. I run Win 2k on it...
A lot of you Mac moaners are going to say "yeah god deal! See, peecees are cheaper and more up-to-date. blablabla...
True.
BUT...
I needed a freakin whole week to get it set up properly with all these stupid BIOS Settings and all the driver updates and all that BS... Ok it runs now, but it is still nowhere as stable as my beloved mac!
And it reminded me of how much more value you get with an Apple Computer!!! Ok, you pay a little more, but it runs perfectly! It has a lot of nice FREE (still...) things like iTunes, iDVD etc...
And you set it up and it is just runnin' and runnin'.
Anyway, a faster machine doesn't make a better designer, no matter what she/he does (web/3D) Ok, time is money, but I think sooo many people here have pretty decent machines, that they are just used to it. Maybe we take too many things for granted these days (iTools, etc.... same thing there)

People, lay back and think about it! Your machines are hell better and faster than those peecees! And why is everybody bitching about speed, speed, speed. We will get speed wit 10.2. Agree with BS $ 130 (160 Euros here, which is even more compared to $), but again think about 10.1! that was free!
Also, think about the industry these days! It has a hard time now, and we can't do anything about it. What would you do if you would own apple? Everything for free?? Or for such less fees, that you even start to loose money...?
Think about it an start Thinking Different (again)

peace
 
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