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Macworld NY 2002 Round-Up
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I don't even have the authority to start my own thread here...so obviously, i am not the person to do this.
Shoot, i will host it on my web site, if someone will volunteer to code the petition type signup --
I would suggest someone do it on their itools space, but the bandwith limit might cap us.
So, I am offering the idea and a host - can we get someone who knows the scripting to do it???
hossler@gelbin.org is my email
chris
I don't even have the authority to start my own thread here...so obviously, i am not the person to do this.
Shoot, i will host it on my web site, if someone will volunteer to code the petition type signup --
I would suggest someone do it on their itools space, but the bandwith limit might cap us.
So, I am offering the idea and a host - can we get someone who knows the scripting to do it???
hossler@gelbin.org is my email
chris
.Mac Feedback url!
I suggest all readers to use the Feedback opportunity available at http://www.apple.com/feedback/mac.html
if you have an opinion on the cost of the mac.com email service.
I suggest all readers to use the Feedback opportunity available at http://www.apple.com/feedback/mac.html
if you have an opinion on the cost of the mac.com email service.
.mac feedback vs. petition
i think the feedback thing is good. i already did that and suggest the same.
i still think a petition, especially one that is visible on the web, is a good idea
it shows unison
it is in the public
it shows we are dedicated, but not fools
and it can't be ignored by apple
the problem with the feedback is
it is not public
it can therefore be ignored
and it is not one voice
i think they are both good - but the suggestion still stands - let's move on this...
i think the feedback thing is good. i already did that and suggest the same.
i still think a petition, especially one that is visible on the web, is a good idea
it shows unison
it is in the public
it shows we are dedicated, but not fools
and it can't be ignored by apple
the problem with the feedback is
it is not public
it can therefore be ignored
and it is not one voice
i think they are both good - but the suggestion still stands - let's move on this...
Question, how many people on here, are recent PC to Mac converts? It sounds like the majority of people here, are long time Mac users.
You know I really feel this is a slap in the face after converting to Mac. I wrote an email to apple, and told them I didn't think this was a very professional thing to do to your "switchers", espically while your touting the whole switch thing.
I didn't say anything when 3 weeks after I bought my iBook 600 mhz that a 700 mhz came out. I mean they were going to get my money, the guy at the Apple store couldn't have said, ya know at the end of the month we will be getting in 700 mhz iBooks. I would have even pre ordered (maybe this is PC thinking, but hey I just switched, so I need time to start thinking like a Mac person
)
I also didn't say anything when I first started up my system and found their was no way to remove the "Get Mac OS X Software..." from the apple menu, or the "shop for iTunes Products" in the iTunes menu. I thought "what is this an OS or a sales pitch?" But I didn't want to make waves, so I kept my mouth shut, thinking hey it's a learning curve, and still better than M$ crap. But still ya think they would at least allow you to remove them.
Now they grab back my mac.com email address, which I've only had for like 2 months, and just finally got everyone to start sending me mail their. I was so proud of that mac.com email address, to me it showed that I was no longer a lame PC user, but a Mac user, and everyone knew it. Not anymore though.
Is Apple finally innovation from M$ now? I mean M$ is always getting blasted for adding "middleware" like web broswer, media player, and chat programs. PC Users keep saying stop bloating our OS with all this "middleware". If I wanted a chat program I'd download one.
It scares me as a new Mac convert, because what will they next start charging for that was free? Will iTunes/Movie/DVD start costing us? If I use the internet radio feature in iTunes, will I have pay in the future if their revenue stream falls again?
Well at least that's how I feel as someone who switched. Within 2 months Apple has made me question my decision.
And it's not like you've got much choice. I've already dropped over $2000 in my iBook and other Apple accessories; and after seeing how stable OS X, I don't want to go back to winblow anytime soon.
Anyone up for a drink? I think I need one!
You know I really feel this is a slap in the face after converting to Mac. I wrote an email to apple, and told them I didn't think this was a very professional thing to do to your "switchers", espically while your touting the whole switch thing.
I didn't say anything when 3 weeks after I bought my iBook 600 mhz that a 700 mhz came out. I mean they were going to get my money, the guy at the Apple store couldn't have said, ya know at the end of the month we will be getting in 700 mhz iBooks. I would have even pre ordered (maybe this is PC thinking, but hey I just switched, so I need time to start thinking like a Mac person
)I also didn't say anything when I first started up my system and found their was no way to remove the "Get Mac OS X Software..." from the apple menu, or the "shop for iTunes Products" in the iTunes menu. I thought "what is this an OS or a sales pitch?" But I didn't want to make waves, so I kept my mouth shut, thinking hey it's a learning curve, and still better than M$ crap. But still ya think they would at least allow you to remove them.
Now they grab back my mac.com email address, which I've only had for like 2 months, and just finally got everyone to start sending me mail their. I was so proud of that mac.com email address, to me it showed that I was no longer a lame PC user, but a Mac user, and everyone knew it. Not anymore though.
Is Apple finally innovation from M$ now? I mean M$ is always getting blasted for adding "middleware" like web broswer, media player, and chat programs. PC Users keep saying stop bloating our OS with all this "middleware". If I wanted a chat program I'd download one.
It scares me as a new Mac convert, because what will they next start charging for that was free? Will iTunes/Movie/DVD start costing us? If I use the internet radio feature in iTunes, will I have pay in the future if their revenue stream falls again?
Well at least that's how I feel as someone who switched. Within 2 months Apple has made me question my decision.
And it's not like you've got much choice. I've already dropped over $2000 in my iBook and other Apple accessories; and after seeing how stable OS X, I don't want to go back to winblow anytime soon.
Anyone up for a drink? I think I need one!
pissed off people
I don't think I have ever seen this many PISSED OFF people after a macworld keynote. Trust me people, I don't think Apple expected this many pissed off people either. I am sure there have already been meetings among the top brass at Apple regarding a way to appease the masses who feel that Apple has turned their backs to them. Hey, in the corporate world these days, the top guys get greedy, especially when they think their shiat doesn't stink, and only the possibility of a mass exodus away from their product will turn things around.
So people, write Apple early and often about how upset you are (only if you really are upset) with them about the $100 .mac with no .mac light and the $129 Jaguar with no upgrade price. Power to the people (the real people that buy products so Apple and other companies exist.)
I don't think I have ever seen this many PISSED OFF people after a macworld keynote. Trust me people, I don't think Apple expected this many pissed off people either. I am sure there have already been meetings among the top brass at Apple regarding a way to appease the masses who feel that Apple has turned their backs to them. Hey, in the corporate world these days, the top guys get greedy, especially when they think their shiat doesn't stink, and only the possibility of a mass exodus away from their product will turn things around.
So people, write Apple early and often about how upset you are (only if you really are upset) with them about the $100 .mac with no .mac light and the $129 Jaguar with no upgrade price. Power to the people (the real people that buy products so Apple and other companies exist.)
Apple really took their tiny microsoft $%#'s and bent us over with Jaguar, what a bunch of #$%$heads. $129.00 for and update, bull****, I am not paying that, thats crap!
If Dell was smart Steven's next commercial would start tomorrow with a special of a new Dell bundled with Preparation H for the victims of Apple's switch campaign.
Dell could even spam all the mac.com users and offer them a free sample sized tube of Preparation H - they could use it.
As for the rest of us it's doubtful that the price for OS X will change.
Dell could even spam all the mac.com users and offer them a free sample sized tube of Preparation H - they could use it.
As for the rest of us it's doubtful that the price for OS X will change.
the petition
andrea
this may be the place.
we need also to include the jaguar issues.
it would be nice to have something a little more 'independent', rather than a 'prefab' sortof petition. but shoot, i should not be complaining.
but, to those who are concerned, lets make an concerted effort. lets get everyone from all of the machead sites together and get this going.
let's get it noticed by the tech media, and apple will have to respond.
andrea
this may be the place.
we need also to include the jaguar issues.
it would be nice to have something a little more 'independent', rather than a 'prefab' sortof petition. but shoot, i should not be complaining.
but, to those who are concerned, lets make an concerted effort. lets get everyone from all of the machead sites together and get this going.
let's get it noticed by the tech media, and apple will have to respond.
itools chernobyl
From the extent of the outrage on the mac-universe forums, I would have to say that the level of outrage is beyond anything I have seen in years. Changing the agreement on iTools so suddenly, and with a lack of choices is unacceptable. There should be an iTools consumer feature-set, and a pro-sumer feature set.
I DO think Apple has a right to charge for the services it offers. But, this decision lacks grace and thought. With such a small base in the market it is best not to anger loyal/established users.
"Jagwire" is overpriced by a factor of two.
I predict that David Coursey will give birth to a purple cow and 2 chickens as he writes his .mac-rosoft thesis.
From the extent of the outrage on the mac-universe forums, I would have to say that the level of outrage is beyond anything I have seen in years. Changing the agreement on iTools so suddenly, and with a lack of choices is unacceptable. There should be an iTools consumer feature-set, and a pro-sumer feature set.
I DO think Apple has a right to charge for the services it offers. But, this decision lacks grace and thought. With such a small base in the market it is best not to anger loyal/established users.
"Jagwire" is overpriced by a factor of two.
I predict that David Coursey will give birth to a purple cow and 2 chickens as he writes his .mac-rosoft thesis.
Re: Petition available!
I checked back on this thread about 3 hours before and discovered the petition link this time. Already 3800+ signatures! Lurkers arise!
Rocketman
I checked back on this thread about 3 hours before and discovered the petition link this time. Already 3800+ signatures! Lurkers arise!
Rocketman
.Mac iDisk Question
With the new .Mac you are supposed to get a 100MB iDisk.
Is this like web hosting? Can I FTP to this account?
If, so $50 for the first year for 100MB webspace and 15MB email is a decent price.
Trying to determine whether .Mac is a good deal...
With the new .Mac you are supposed to get a 100MB iDisk.
Is this like web hosting? Can I FTP to this account?
If, so $50 for the first year for 100MB webspace and 15MB email is a decent price.
Trying to determine whether .Mac is a good deal...
Petition about Jaguar
Alrightie folks, it's up:
http://www.PetitionOnline.com/Jaguar/petition.html
I'm sorry for the bad english, but I felt it better be up and running than to wait for someone else...
/andreas
Alrightie folks, it's up:
http://www.PetitionOnline.com/Jaguar/petition.html
I'm sorry for the bad english, but I felt it better be up and running than to wait for someone else...
/andreas
Three Thoughts
Just a couple of suggestions:
1. Purchasing Price of OS X.2
There is inequity in charging a new user of OS X $129 and a current user of OS X $129. Even offering an upgrade price of $99 would be acceptable as long as it was less than what the new user is paying for it. Just seems fair. (Sidenote: Educational pricing on Jaguar is $69 btw)
2. Apple & Money
It's not that Apple "needs" money right now (they are in the black, afterall). They aren't money-hungry like M$; rather Apple has decided to take the big-dog on head-to-head. Given the economic climate for the next 6 months, that's a very tall order (Did anyone else hear the 6-7 direct hits M$ took in the keynote? That kind of tone demonstrates that Apple feels it is poised to take M$ on -- and that takes not just innovation, but money. Both M$ and Apple are in a purchasing frenzy right now (Anyone looked at the companies each has been purchasing recently?) M$ has more money which means that it can buy more companies -- which means they own the intellectual property of those companies. Apple's got to be able to compete with that. Besides, even with the pay for .Mac and Jaguar, it doesn't come close to the gouging M$ does.
3. .Mac
Should have graded levels of membership.
Should have a chart which compares value vs. cost with other competitors like hotmail, etc.
Should provide POP .mac mail for free.
Should offer educational discount for students.
Should extend trial membership further for existing users -- at least until they have used the "features" they would be paying for (i.e. iCal publishing of their calendars, backing up, virus protection, etc.). Just doesn't make sense to kill the trial period this soon.
Just a couple of suggestions:
1. Purchasing Price of OS X.2
There is inequity in charging a new user of OS X $129 and a current user of OS X $129. Even offering an upgrade price of $99 would be acceptable as long as it was less than what the new user is paying for it. Just seems fair. (Sidenote: Educational pricing on Jaguar is $69 btw)
2. Apple & Money
It's not that Apple "needs" money right now (they are in the black, afterall). They aren't money-hungry like M$; rather Apple has decided to take the big-dog on head-to-head. Given the economic climate for the next 6 months, that's a very tall order (Did anyone else hear the 6-7 direct hits M$ took in the keynote? That kind of tone demonstrates that Apple feels it is poised to take M$ on -- and that takes not just innovation, but money. Both M$ and Apple are in a purchasing frenzy right now (Anyone looked at the companies each has been purchasing recently?) M$ has more money which means that it can buy more companies -- which means they own the intellectual property of those companies. Apple's got to be able to compete with that. Besides, even with the pay for .Mac and Jaguar, it doesn't come close to the gouging M$ does.
3. .Mac
Should have graded levels of membership.
Should have a chart which compares value vs. cost with other competitors like hotmail, etc.
Should provide POP .mac mail for free.
Should offer educational discount for students.
Should extend trial membership further for existing users -- at least until they have used the "features" they would be paying for (i.e. iCal publishing of their calendars, backing up, virus protection, etc.). Just doesn't make sense to kill the trial period this soon.
Even in this economy....
I can understand Apple needs to make money, and that the economy ain't great, and that Apple makes the best products in the world (which I truly believe), and that Windows XP costs much more than OS X but....
They need to continue to offer free mac.com email addresses. If they're worried about non-mac users using it then have users enter their machine seriel number and give like 5 email accounts per machine for family use.
Jaguar's price is too much. They really shouldn't be charging so much unless it is 10.5, but we all know that they can't call it that because they are just now getting OS X working great and working right (and it is looking amazing).
I don't mind paying in a way as a home user cause I'm still on a Sage iMac, but people who have bought in the last 6 months really need to be getting a steep discount.
I can understand Apple needs to make money, and that the economy ain't great, and that Apple makes the best products in the world (which I truly believe), and that Windows XP costs much more than OS X but....
They need to continue to offer free mac.com email addresses. If they're worried about non-mac users using it then have users enter their machine seriel number and give like 5 email accounts per machine for family use.
Jaguar's price is too much. They really shouldn't be charging so much unless it is 10.5, but we all know that they can't call it that because they are just now getting OS X working great and working right (and it is looking amazing).
I don't mind paying in a way as a home user cause I'm still on a Sage iMac, but people who have bought in the last 6 months really need to be getting a steep discount.
Some of you people are stupid. The upgrade to jagwire is free for people running os x already. You will just use the software update util. If you want a cd of it, it's only $20 for shipping and handling.
It's $130 if you don't have os x already
And for you winers about the 100 bucks for .mac.... shut up and cough out the dough! You're getting a lot of stuff for only $100. M$ would charge 100 bucks a month for what you're getting.
I only say this because I don't want Apple to become the next Linux distributor where they're scrounging for cash and it takes them years to add any functionality into their products. Mac makes great products, don't expect them to be free!
It's $130 if you don't have os x already
And for you winers about the 100 bucks for .mac.... shut up and cough out the dough! You're getting a lot of stuff for only $100. M$ would charge 100 bucks a month for what you're getting.
I only say this because I don't want Apple to become the next Linux distributor where they're scrounging for cash and it takes them years to add any functionality into their products. Mac makes great products, don't expect them to be free!
Tech Kid....Huh???
Some of you people are stupid. The upgrade to jagwire is free for people running os x already. You will just use the software update util. If you want a cd of it, it's only $20 for shipping and handling.
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Tech kid, where did you get this information? There are several people who have posted on here that spoke to Apple directly, and there is no free upgrade for current OSX users. If you know something apple doesn't please let us know where we can find it, otherwise who is the stupid one???
Some of you people are stupid. The upgrade to jagwire is free for people running os x already. You will just use the software update util. If you want a cd of it, it's only $20 for shipping and handling.
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Tech kid, where did you get this information? There are several people who have posted on here that spoke to Apple directly, and there is no free upgrade for current OSX users. If you know something apple doesn't please let us know where we can find it, otherwise who is the stupid one???
hey techkid, get your facts straight, k, its 129 for everyone, not just os x users, so stop acting like everyone else is so stupid. its 20 for an uprade now through the time it ships, got it,and it is way to big for software update.