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Steve Jobs never cared about the shareholders. He was passionate about getting people the best possible product at any given time no matter what. Tim Cook’s Apple uses every tactic possible to milk money from customers. Getting rid of the power adapter the same year they come out with a new charging system. Read between the lines ladies and gentlemen. They succeeded in tricking you into buying two extra items this year with your iPhone purchase.
Is that why Apple lowered the price from $29 to 19?
 
Steve Jobs never cared about the shareholders. He was passionate about getting people the best possible product at any given time no matter what.
Not this old regurgitated meme.

Tim Cook’s Apple uses every tactic possible to milk money from customers. Getting rid of the power adapter the same year they come out with a new charging system. Read between the lines ladies and gentlemen. They succeeded in tricking you into buying two extra items this year with your iPhone purchase.
Are you voting with your $$$. Apple didn't succeed in "tricking me not to buy 'two' extra items, I haven't even bought 'one' extra item". However, to each their own...if it's a benefit to me, I'll spend the money on it.
 
I originally ordered the MagSafe puck and 20W charger because it seems like a nice new way to charge the iPhone 12 but now I just feel sick about it. Apple should lead by making the best products not by forcing the customer to buy this because there is no other option. Slow wireless charging overnight with my existing pads suits me fine, am returning the apple charger and puck tomorrow once it arrives in the post, costing apple wasted money in postage to send a clear message back. Might look into MagSafe again when a number of third party options arrive.
 
I am unable to find any references to a PD 4.0 standard. Are you referring to USB4?

No. I was conveying something in essence. That either what Apple did is beyond 3.0 (aka 4.0 which doesn’t yet exist so no chargers are capable of it) ... or is a mere modification / their take on PD 3.0 (aka 3.5 or maybe 3.1 might be more reflective of the slight change). Apple tends to put their own spin on things, even if they are backwards compatible. If Apple’s own older chargers can’t negotiate that speed, the only thing that makes sense is, they are doing something new with their latest chargers. In my eyes, that was only necessary if hitting 15 watts wirelessly was potentially dangerous. I imagine that danger is why Qi charging never hits its theoretical speeds, and a similar change to Qi charging will be made ... becoming Qi 1.3 or 2.0
 
Can MR do some fact finding journalism here.

- It is proprietary to Apple chargers, if so why?
- Is it to do with PD standards?
- Does the charger have to be exactly 9V-2.2a compliant?
- Something else.

Everything else on this thread is unfortunately conjecture and guesswork.
We need the actual facts.
 
Apple’s cardinal mistake here is a complete failure to make MagSafe simple and straightforward. Instead of “it just works,” there are all sorts of asterisks everywhere—and even when it works as advertised, it’s kind of overpriced and underpowered. They seem to be running into some real brick walls when it comes to inductive charging (RIP AirPower). Well, at least the Apple Watch’s inductive charging has always been reliable for me. It has that in common with my electric toothbrush. 😏
 
I originally ordered the MagSafe puck and 20W charger because it seems like a nice new way to charge the iPhone 12 but now I just feel sick about it. Apple should lead by making the best products not by forcing the customer to buy this because there is no other option. Slow wireless charging overnight with my existing pads suits me fine, am returning the apple charger and puck tomorrow once it arrives in the post, costing apple wasted money in postage to send a clear message back. Might look into MagSafe again when a number of third party options arrive.
What clear message are you sending Apple? Apple will sell a boat-load of these. There is nothing wrong for designing products that work closely with their hardware.
 
Apple’s cardinal mistake here is a complete failure to make MagSafe simple and straightforward. Instead of “it just works,” there are all sorts of asterisks everywhere—and even when it works as advertised, it’s kind of overpriced and underpowered. They seem to be running into some real brick walls when it comes to inductive charging (RIP AirPower). Well, at least the Apple Watch’s inductive charging has always been reliable for me. It has that in common with my electric toothbrush. 😏
It "does just work". However, the product has been out for a short-time with not a lot of guidance from Apple on how the product works. Can't blame them for designing products that work better within their own ecoystem. As for overpriced and underpowered, that is an opinion (I get it it's yours). And you are using AirPower as a benchmark? Several years later, nobody else was able to do that either, so yeah there maybe some limitations when it comes to inductive charging. Which my electric toothbrushes in the 60s did and 60 years later, the same physics are a roadblock.
 
If this was intentional by Apple, then its a pretty greedy move. I can understand not including chargers or EarPods in the box; they're redundant for a lot of people. But to make the Magsafe charger $39 with no wall charger, and have it only optimized for Apple's charger, is just greedy.
If you bought a homepod mini, as long as you are not listening to the homepod mini, you can use the charger.
 
Using ravpower power bank rated 18w I’m getting 13w. With the ravpower charging hub rated for 24w I’m getting 15w.
 
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I don't know about it being a rip-off, but someone in Apple dropped the ball, for sure. It should be labeled as iPhone 12-specific (incompatible with other devices) and should be sold *only* with the matching 20w charger, period. Apple's gonna pay (in legal action) for this one. Just my take on it.
 
Apple put special controller so only their charger can put 15W, mind boggling, the more powerful 60W/100W MacBook chargers aren't allowed !!

So we know reason for actual charging removal, right? Curious what apologist will wholeheartedly says defended Apple.
 
I’ll stick with my 7.5w Qi charger for most cases, and just use the cable if I really need to fast charge top off before heading out somewhere, where I know I can’t charge my phone for HOURS which is rare lol.
 
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