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But everyone here says Apple needs to compete with a 4090 before games exist!
It is kind of Apples fault for mentioning the 3090 when they introduced the M1 Ultra. That is taking into account they never mentioned it with respect to gaming but folks made that leap anyways.
It is the same reason why folks don't use AMD GPUs because they expect them to be as fast as a 4090. Or that they hope it is close enough to get prices on 4090's to drop so they can buy them instead of the AMD equivalent.
You don’t need a $1,500 GPU to enjoy PC gaming. Graphics aren’t everything, I had a great time playing Left 4 Dead 2 the other day; that’s trivial for modern GPUs, or even elderly GPUs at this point.
Funny that people suddenly forget about that when they start to argue against Mac gaming. The same people who say you don't need 4090 or a high-end PC to enjoy games say you need a high-end Mac to enjoy games and suddenly graphics are everything.
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As we've seen after several recent releases like Starfield, SW Jedi: Survivor, The Last of US Part 1 and Redfall in the current PC gaming era many times not even a RTX 4090 is enough to play fresh new Unity games like Cities Skylines 2.
38 fps at 1080p high and 28 fps at 1440p high, on a RTX 4090!!
1440p
Same here. I discovered Alien Isolation on MacBook Air M1 runs incredibly well (1080p, high setting (except SSAO)). I had never completed that game. Beautiful game, feels brand new to me 👴
I am thinking about trying Dying Light or Metro Exodus next…
Apparently you do for this game for even 1440p at mid 30fps
But yes I agree, that was the point of my comment, this is why I find these gaming threads on this site so frustrating when people comment "Well Apple needs....NEEDS to have an answer for a 4090 gaming performance before we EVEN see games on the platform".
To be fair to Apple though, my M2 Ultra does beats my 4090 setup in certain areas for sure. After Effects with a lot of plugins and effects was quite surprising. Just obviously not in gaming.
Yeah while that level of performance would be cool Apple for sure needs to pony up cash (like Sony did when the PS1 first came out) to get games on their hardware. They should be shooting for as many AAA games as they can afford to pay for, even going as far as sending engineers to developer studios to help get things running right. Offer to pay for advertising etc.
Or buy developer studios or publishers (or both).
That still really won't work. I said so before, but Windows has been a monopoly for far too long at this point no matter what Apple does it won't be enough. I will never give up my 500+ game library on Windows for a few new cool Mac games. I would rather keep building my PC library so I don't need to have so many constant devices for games and "this game on Mac, this game on Windows, this game on PS5". I will just cut out the Mac entirely.
I am focusing more on consoles these days as things like Spider Man 2 and Final Fantasy 7 Rebirth will take a couple years before it's on PC anyway. Mac won't fix that.
I think Apple should treat Mac and iOS like a console and less like a PC. So use Nintendo/Sony tactics more so than hoping to grow install base "organically".
SSAO ”bug” is gone in Sonoma. All OpenGL games seem to have better performance. You should try it on a separate partition. I get up to 60% performance boost.
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The march of hardware accelerated Ray-Tracing games has begun (on the phone side), starting with “War Thunder”!
I’m really hoping to see the ray-traced only version of “Metro Exodus”, since 4A have been rock stars for supporting the Mac platform.
Being a Ukrainian dev studio.
Ray tracing is still quite horrible. Even with my 4090, I still turn it off as I want to maximize my FPS. I care so little about how ray tracing looks, I want games to perform well.
Have you tried “War Thunder” yet on the iPhone 15 Pro?
I’m still in awe that Apple of all companies are commoditizing Ray Tracing in games, building it in from the ground up! I didn’t think they had it in them.
How about you?
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They're late to the RT party, even on phones. At a certain point you have to keep up, better now than when games starting skipping your platforms because they only support RT.
...They're third to introduce hardware ray tracing on phones?
So far I think the only mobile CPUs that support it are the Snapdragon 8 Gen 2 SoC, the Dimensity 9200, and the A17 Pro.
They're the fourth. Samsung Exynos 2200 has hardware RT too. That's basically everyone who makes a halfway decent phone SoC...
I agree, but then if you go back far enough and go low spec enough you can run just about anything through half decent emulation.
And emulators usually have Mac support.
Which is frustrating, most people can’t afford to drop over a grand for a gpu, let alone two for a whole system. Who the heck is gonna enjoy your game when it runs at 10fps on hardware normal people have?
It’s ridiculous. Apple’s hardware was always perfectly cromulent for games. It’s always been a matter of economics.
It’s a fact that games have ballooned in budget since the HD era, meaning there needs to be more RoI, meaning stuff that has potentially lower RoI suffers. And high on the chopping block is Mac support.
At least, that’s my theory. It fits with how smaller titles are more likely to support MacOS, and why bigger titles don’t.
Because the price to performance ratio of a gaming PC a lot better than on a Mac. And there's also the fact you can't upgrade any of the components overtime.
I love Macs too but let's be real if anyone is serious about gaming when you offer them a M2 Pro Mac Mini or a gaming PC at the same price, they're gonna pick the PC everytime.
EDIT: Oh I also forgot Apple's anti-Right to Repair shenanigans which is another factor
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