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Got it. Twice as fast as a 10 year old machine. Not sure why would would be considering an iPad Pro to replace your desktop. Seems like a Mac mini would be a more appropriate system (given that it has 10Gb/s Ethernet and more Thunderbolt ports, and is much cheaper).

Multitasking and stuff on iPadOS still can’t match macOS, so for basic tasks like school work and what not the iPad still adds annoyance. They really ought to build iPadOS out of macOS instead of iOS. And Finder beats Files no matter which way you slice it. A bunch of little things that add up to a lot.

To be fair to my 10 year old machine, it’s way faster than any other computer I’ve ever used (including the 2020 Macs at work) and I cannot get it to slow down no matter how hard I push it.
 
iPad doesn’t have applications like Handbrake that could take advantage of the full power.
FYI, there are transcoding apps on the App Store. HandBrake is just a well known wrapper around some open source video encoding frameworks/libraries that several apps use.
 
Why is that the fringe always seem to think they are the mainstream?
Because the fringe and the mainstream USED to have needs that overlapped and it made the fringe THINK they were mainstream. Even though it’s clear they’re not anymore, it’s hard for them to let go of that feeling where everything with an Apple on it was something “made for them”. When you read posts like “I don’t see who would need this” you’re picking up on their frustration. Or, any post complaining about Memoji. LOL
 
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Like I said above different philosophy. Microsoft things it can do that with one OS. Apple things you need two OS.

By guess is software engineers on Steve Job watch in the lab probably have been experimentally with trying to have only one OS and probably tried 3 or 4 different OS style types than said no it cannot be done. And because windows 8 fail. When Steve Job just confirmed it we not going to be like Microsoft.

That Steve Job was very anti this. Well Tim Cook may have tried later on in the lab getting software engineers experimentally but again after one or two tries say no this cannot be done.

Well Microsoft software engineers thing they can do it.

Microsoft office and paint also still has the ribbon interface that kinda makes it more touch friendlly. Even the file manger can be made to turn on the ribbon interface. So it running full desktop app

Just different philosophy.
Yes they are different philosophies but from everything I've seen so far, I think Windows 11 will succeed where Windows 8 failed. I genuinely think MS finally has a legit answer to macOS and iPadOS without the need to create to separate OS's or devices.
 
You say:
Multitasking and stuff on iPadOS still can’t match macOS,
but follow it with
so for basic tasks like school work and what not the iPad still adds annoyance.
What are the basic tasks like school work that require multitasking that the iPad can’t do? Having a paper open and a website open side by side copying from one to the other? Or, something the Mac can’t do, independently scrolling the paper and the website at the same time (like actual multi-window multitasking, which is impossible on a Mac as it only has one pointer).
 
Now, the pace I'm less happy with. We're eleven years in, so roughly in the equivalent of the System 7.5.x era. At that point, macOS had already grown a ton, and it had some very clear killer apps, such as DTP. I wonder if that's what's missing for the iPad, and I do wonder if, around the time Steve died, there was a decision that they no longer want/need to do excellent first-party apps. (Keep in mind the iPad 2 was introduced with Garage Band. Where's 2021's equivalent of that?) Decent apps like Linea exist, but no must-haves, it seems.

And while I'm happy how much more discoverable they've made multitasking in iPadOS 15, I just can't see how it took the company that brought GUIs to the mainstream about six years to come to the insight of "what if we added a button, and it pops out a menu?".
Agree with this and like yourself, I don't think macOS and iPadOS will merge either. But if Apple's goal with the iPad / iPadOS is to make it nothing more than an accessory to the Mac, I think that's a fail. If you look at Apple's history, everytime they came out with a newer and better technology, the company went all in on it to the point where it cannibalized and replaced the previous technology. The Mac went on to eventually replace the Apple II / Apple Lisa. The iPhone went to replace the iPod. I would love to see Apple, as a company, go all in on iPadOS and have it be a legit rival to macOS to the point where one day it can replace macOS.
 
Yes they are different philosophies but from everything I've seen so far, I think Windows 11 will succeed where Windows 8 failed. I genuinely think MS finally has a legit answer to macOS and iPadOS without the need to create to separate OS's or devices.
Apple’s hardware designed closely with Apple’s software in mind is what makes Apple devices things that people with he money to buy them want to buy. Microsoft has the potential to make the hardware their software requires, but they won’t because they don’t want to irritate their OEM’s. The OEM’s will keep pumping out the same ol’ same ol’, meaning that Windows 11 will continue the thread of what Microsoft has always been, “good enough” if you just don’t like Apple, but we won’t see any new paradigms coming from it.
 
Agree with this and like yourself, I don't think macOS and iPadOS will merge either. But if Apple's goal with the iPad / iPadOS is to make it nothing more than an accessory to the Mac, I think that's a fail.

I don't think it is.

I think they look at it as: the iPad is different than the Mac. Not better or worse, not more powerful or less. I don't think they ever really saw it as an accessory. Maybe before iOS 5 (3.x and 4.x required setting it up from within iTunes).

(Whether that's factually accurate? Well, YMMV.)

If you look at Apple's history, everytime they came out with a newer and better technology, the company went all in on it to the point where it cannibalized and replaced the previous technology. The Mac went on to eventually replace the Apple II / Apple Lisa. The iPhone went to replace the iPod. I would love to see Apple, as a company, go all in on iPadOS and have it be a legit rival to macOS to the point where one day it can replace macOS.

Yeah, I think there may have been a time in the early 2010s when they looked at the iPad to the Mac as the Mac was to the Apple II. But I don't think they do any more.
 
I don't think it is.
You are right. There a many people who have iPads but not Macintoshes. They have sold 100 million Macintosh systems and 400 million iPads.
I think they look at it as: the iPad is different than the Mac. Not better or worse, not more powerful or less. I don't think they ever really saw it as an accessory.
That is very much what they seem to feel. The right tool for the right job.
Yeah, I think there may have been a time in the early 2010s when they looked at the iPad to the Mac as the Mac was to the Apple II. But I don't think they do any more.
I am not sure they ever felt that, but they certainly do not now.
 
I am not sure they ever felt that, but they certainly do not now.
I disagree. When Apple came out with the "What's a Computer?" ad showcasing the 10.5" iPad Pro, I genuinely think they were headed in the direction of replacing the Mac. Obviously something has changed since then. As an aside, here's a thought provoking article from someone who's an avid iPad Pro user like yourself

 
I disagree. When Apple came out with the "What's a Computer?" ad showcasing the 10.5" iPad Pro, I genuinely think they were headed in the direction of replacing the Mac. Obviously something has changed since then. As an aside, here's a thought provoking article from someone who's an avid iPad Pro user like yourself


I think that's a misread. (Though, if an ad can be misinterpreted, maybe it isn't that good an ad?)

What the kid is saying is: "who cares if people call it a 'computer'? It gets stuff done for me. Isn't that all that matters?"
 
You say:

but follow it with

What are the basic tasks like school work that require multitasking that the iPad can’t do? Having a paper open and a website open side by side copying from one to the other? Or, something the Mac can’t do, independently scrolling the paper and the website at the same time (like actual multi-window multitasking, which is impossible on a Mac as it only has one pointer).
I’ll have four to five simultaneous things open to copy between, sometimes multiple audio/video streams. Nothing intense, just beyond what iPadOS is designed to allow.
 
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If Apple kept the iPad Pro at the same aspect ratio but just made it bigger, I'd have the same issue I had with my 12.9" model: the aspect ratio is just too weird and squished for "laptop work".
 
I’ll have four to five simultaneous things open to copy between, sometimes multiple audio/video streams. Nothing intense, just beyond what iPadOS is designed to allow.
Well, I’m sure you’re aware that what you’ve defined can’t realistically be called “basic” for your average person. For you, it’s “basic school work”, but the vast majority will never approach that. A lot of folks say “iPad can’t do basic stuff”, then when you ask them to clarify, it’s usually some very specialized case, which, granted, there’s a LOT the iPad can’t do and may never do. There’s very little “basic” that it can’t do, though.
 
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I find it amusing that where before the had a Mac vs PC conflict we are now in the middle of an Apple Civil War: Mac vs iPad.

I really don't understand why Mac users seem intent on Apple turning the iPad into a Mac, and complaining that the iPad "can't do what a Mac can".

It's a simple analogy: I don't need a pickup truck to be an Uber driver.

Thus, I don't need a Mac to manage photos, videos, and documents, to watch movies, to write school papers, to listen to and manage my music library, to access my aircraft maintenance manuals, to surf the Internet, to create and record my music, to do my banking, to sign and store legal docs, I could go on.

I don't need a Mac AT ALL. But that's because I NEVER DID. There just wasn't anything other than pickup trucks for sale.

The iPad doesn't need to be a Mac. There will be generations of Apple users that will never touch one, but will know iOS (and by extension, iPadOS) inside out and get everything that they need done on it, because the expectations of OS behavior to be desktop-like simply won't be there.

Apple will continue to add capability to the iPad without making it exactly like the Mac. If you want to use an iPad to its maximum potential, you'll have to LEARN to use it.

I had to learn to use the Mac when I left Windows in 2001. And in 2020, I had to learn iPadOS. It's different. But capable (for my needs).

I guess we're going to go round and round on this whole "the iPad is crippled/underpowered by its OS" forever, because Apple has made it clear time and again that they are NOT merging macOS and iPadOS.

Mac Boomers are going to have to come to peace with this.
 
I really don't understand why Mac users seem intent on Apple turning the iPad into a Mac, and complaining that the iPad "can't do what a Mac can".
It would be similar to Apple II users that wanted the Mac to be more like the Apple II. There were just very few easily internet accessible international connections for folks to find an audience. Everyone else in the Local Apple User Group would be talking about the cool things they can do with their Mac, and a few holdouts would just stop going to them :)
 
While we first saw it in a Mac, I’ve always seen the M1 as putting an iPad chip in a Mac. I mean, they’d been calling them “desktop class” for so long, it was bound to happen :)
Yes, but there's always two ways to look at the liquid in the glass, isn't there?

For those that want the iPad to be more like a Mac, it'll ALWAYS be blank-empty.

For those of us who actually like the iPad, the glass is overflowing already.
 
Yes, a nice touch screen, lets say 13.3"? Why not micro LED? While we are at it, just stick it into the MBA. No need to buy an extra keyboard. I love my M1 MBA, the touchscreen is the last thing missing. My essential iPad Apps run on it, MacOS is running on it, what more?
 
Was meant.
iOS was meant for fingertips, not apple pencils. And it was meant for a phone, not an ipad. And yet here we are.

OS X has and continues to work fine with touch displays once you get to about 15" and up. You just need another couple-few thousand dollars and a ton of desk space to have it. When in defense of the iPad, Apple's marketing dept defensively stated a decade ago that the only sensible options are MacOS=Mouse and iOS=fingerfood, it was already ridiculously shortsighted, late, and foolish, but suited their purposes at the time. The static thinking required to state that interaction methods have achieved such perfection with an old typewriter keyboard and pointy stick, or fingerpainting, that there will never be any improvements or fundamental changes beyond them is outrageous.
FWIW, many times I tried running MacOS on a 12.9" iPad by way of a high speed VNC program - in essence, I was actually using my Mac, but the iPad was a remote touch screen for it. And - it was simply unusable. The reason was the that GUI elements in MacOS are not scaled up for touch. Even though they work great with a mouse and pointer, everything was far too small to use by touch.

While MacOS on an iPad SOUNDS like a great thing, I'd really encourage anyone who wants this to actually try it once and see what it's like first. You really do need to design things differently for different means of interaction.
 
It would be similar to Apple II users that wanted the Mac to be more like the Apple II.
Keeping with that analogy, the Mac went to replace the Apple II because the Mac represented the "future" of personal computing at that time. Coming back to the present, iPadOS today, represents the future of personal computing and there's no reason that iPadOS can't be a legit rival to macOS and ultimately replace the latter. Just like the Mac ultimately replaced the Apple II.

A lot of frustrated iPad Pro users are not wanting iPadOS to be macOS or for macOS to come to the iPad Pro. What they want is for iPadOS to fulfill its potential as a macOS replacement just like the Mac went on to replace the Apple II.
 
Keeping with that analogy, the Mac went to replace the Apple II because the Mac represented the "future" of personal computing at that time. Coming back to the present, iPadOS today, represents the future of personal computing

I don't think it does, though?

(And there's a case to be made that Mac wasn't entirely the future of personal computing either. Mac OS Classic never had a command line, aside from things like MPW. Mac OS X then added the command line back, because it turns out the GUI isn't the best interface for everything.)

The Mac added a new computing paradigm that was a revelation for hundreds of millions of people. Same for touch on iOS. But neither has to be the perfect fit for everything.

 
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