Shirasaki
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Oh yeah the layman. Of course.
I think Apple should cancel the entire Mac lineup cause nobody needs a Mac right? /s They really only need to produce Mac Pro and that’s it.
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I think Apple should cancel the entire Mac lineup cause nobody needs a Mac right? /s They really only need to produce Mac Pro and that’s it.
Are you saying that they want touch or rather pencil support on MacOS? I can fully relate to wanting pencil support on MacOS for creativity apps. I really do not understand it for anything else.
There are many of these anecdotes. Why is it a problem that some/many(???) people are happy with the iPad (Pro) and iPadOS? As the Mac exists for all others, this goes beyond rational thinking.
So this boils down to envy that iPads have touch and Macs do not? Would it not be more correct to complain about the Mac/MacOS limitations instead of iPad/iPadOS limitations?
iPad doesn’t have applications like Handbrake that could take advantage of the full power. Apps like photoshop that are touted as desktop capable are still hobbled in capability compared to weaker macs that run the full version. My iPad is now significantly more powerful than my Mac yet I have to use my Mac to encode, that’s a problem.
The 2021 iPad Pro has more power than the machines (2013 Mac Pro) that were used to encode and edit Deadpool, yet I highly doubt any movie editor would pick it over a 2013 mac pro to do that task. Apple is making iOS apps run on mac but doing the opposite would likely make people happier (and be more useful).
IOS devices have gone from pseudo-computers to being more powerful than actual computers, the software just hasnt evolved at the same pace.
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Not to mention the three facts that are always inconvenient:
- There have been touch screens that worked with Macintosh systems for years, but none have ever made a meaningful impact on the market.
- Sales of iPadOS systems are about 4 times those of macOS systems.
- Apple with all its sales and customer satisfaction data are confident that the users interested in this are not a sizable minority.
Because the only way they can be vindicated is for Apple to drop iPadOS and acknowledge they were correct all along.
You are correct, it is irrational. :-D
Krizoitz
macrumors 68000
It never did...for YOU. It did for millions of other people. Your story is not everyone's story. Your needs are not everyone's needs. I wish more people could differentiate between themselves and everyone, it is a common problem in this forum (and the world in general).
If you are not interested, no problem. If it doesn't meet your needs, no problem. Not everything is for you. Not everything is about you. And if you expect Apple to be the kind of company that tries to make something for every possible user, you really don't know Apple.
Will they release macOS on iPad someday or add a touch screen to the Mac? Who knows, but I wouldn't hold my breath.
How about a BIGGER OS, instead of the iPhone OS holding back the iPad, limiting user control and restricting us to just one monopoly App Store?
it doesn’t matter how big or small the iPad is, because the experience will still be the same.
I am hoping Win 11 tablets like a Surface Neo will take off, iPad devs will have more room and flexibility to port their apps on to Win 11 tablets.
THIS serious competition, aside from all the anti-trust measures, would light a fire under Apple’s butt and they can start listening to what pro users of iPads have been requesting for years.
‘’iOS is NOT cut out for the iPad, let alone a “computer replacement”
IF luma fusion designed for touch was ported to Win 11 tablets, in combination of Adobe pro suite being more tablet touch friendly + Windows‘s vast array of programs, it’s game over for the iPad.
doesn’t matter what size Apple wants to make the iPad
it doesn’t matter how big or small the iPad is, because the experience will still be the same.
I am hoping Win 11 tablets like a Surface Neo will take off, iPad devs will have more room and flexibility to port their apps on to Win 11 tablets.
THIS serious competition, aside from all the anti-trust measures, would light a fire under Apple’s butt and they can start listening to what pro users of iPads have been requesting for years.
‘’iOS is NOT cut out for the iPad, let alone a “computer replacement”
IF luma fusion designed for touch was ported to Win 11 tablets, in combination of Adobe pro suite being more tablet touch friendly + Windows‘s vast array of programs, it’s game over for the iPad.
doesn’t matter what size Apple wants to make the iPad
Well even if that is true?
Keep in mind if you want a SSD you paying more than $700 and if you want 8GB of RAM you are paying more than $600. And if you want good CPU you paying over $1,000
So many cheap i3 and i5 and even i7 unlike the iPad CPU. And if you want higher resolution you not going to get any thing under $1,500 that is has resolution of the iPad.
Yea it just PC makers just make junk computers under $700
I can get iPad that is cheaper and have more features.
And large number of high quality of apps to choose from.
Apple is NOT listening to its pro users who spend large amounts of money getting the “pro” line, get apps beyond just browsing and light computing. They have been specific in what they have been asking for and that is either MacOS or more substantially MacOS features and capabilities on the iPad Pro
if people like iOS fine, just keep it for the regular line, otherwise the iPad ”Pro” line is largely pointless.
instead there are too many Apple apologists excusing Apple and it’s limitations on not just the iPad but also the users.
iOS as a computer OS is garbage!
it’s only going to get worse when the hardware and software disparity grows with M2 and M3 iPads come out...
I really, really hope that MS‘s Windows 11 masters touch tablets and incentivizes iPad app devs to port their apps on something like the Surface Neo.
Luma Fusion for Win 11 and Cubasis 3 for Win 11, plus an actual computer OS?
I will drop kick my 2020 12.9 iPad Pro and not look back.
if people like iOS fine, just keep it for the regular line, otherwise the iPad ”Pro” line is largely pointless.
instead there are too many Apple apologists excusing Apple and it’s limitations on not just the iPad but also the users.
iOS as a computer OS is garbage!
it’s only going to get worse when the hardware and software disparity grows with M2 and M3 iPads come out...
I really, really hope that MS‘s Windows 11 masters touch tablets and incentivizes iPad app devs to port their apps on something like the Surface Neo.
Luma Fusion for Win 11 and Cubasis 3 for Win 11, plus an actual computer OS?
I will drop kick my 2020 12.9 iPad Pro and not look back.
The Surface Neo was a Windows 10X device. When MS announced that they were cancelling Windows 10X, the Surface Neo went along with it. Windows 11 is designed for tablets like Surface Pro / Surface Pro X.
chucker23n1
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skitidetdu
macrumors 6502a
Sorry, your argument makes no sense. You are comparing a 7 year old desktop to a current tablet. Yes, the iPad is faster, but for that matter, so is the Mac mini which would be cheaper and a much better choice for your application. Even if the iPad ran macOS, it would be a bad machine to use for encoding. It has a single Thunderbolt port and no Ethernet port. If you want the power of an Apple Silicon system, the Mac mini has two Thunderbolt busses, as well as 10Gb/s Ethernet. However, if you need Handbrake on your iPad, it would not take much to get it to run (it is open source and crafting a Swift UI for it would be pretty easy). You would not even have to pass it through the App Store, just get yourself a developer account and compile it yourself.
Even if it ran macOS, no editor would pick it over a 2013 Mac Pro, as its inherent limitations would make it inappropriate for that task. I am pretty sure that Handbrake was not the tool used to encode Deadpool (especially given that it does not generate DCI packages).
I see no evidence of that.
Apple is not going to make one OS. Steve Jobs was not for this.
Apple believes a touch device needs a touch OS and a mouse and keyboard need OS built for a mouse and keyboard.
Well Microsoft believes they can make OS do that. Apple disagrees with them.
Microsoft tried that with windows 8 and it was a disaster, windows 10 not that good and windows 11 base on the demo videos look like they may have pulled it of but it is hard to tell. To windows comes out in in the fall and people can start playing with it.
Apple has had a touchy track record in the last ten years with what they think people want and what is actually wanted. If windows 11 has indeed pulled it off Apple might have to pull yet another 180 like screen size.
A larger iPad better has a proper OS, not a crippled one (like the current iPadOS)
I had the original iPad pro, it was too big for what it is and eventually I sold it and switched to latest iPad air.
I draw with iPad, I read with iPad (ePub, pdf for my studies), watch TV and Netflix ... but I NEED Mac for most other tasks (iPad OS can't run Xcode, R, DaVinci, apps can't work with files on NAS or DAS ... while the same M1 chip on MacOS can, and I prefer mouse to stylus when using vector graphic software)
They should also improve the sidecar function (better stylus support, likely more about MacOS than iPad itself), that might be a serious threat to wacom cintiq
I had the original iPad pro, it was too big for what it is and eventually I sold it and switched to latest iPad air.
I draw with iPad, I read with iPad (ePub, pdf for my studies), watch TV and Netflix ... but I NEED Mac for most other tasks (iPad OS can't run Xcode, R, DaVinci, apps can't work with files on NAS or DAS ... while the same M1 chip on MacOS can, and I prefer mouse to stylus when using vector graphic software)
They should also improve the sidecar function (better stylus support, likely more about MacOS than iPad itself), that might be a serious threat to wacom cintiq
chucker23n1
macrumors G3
I don't think its trajectory needs to change.
For me, personally, the iPad Pro doesn't offer enough to make it a compelling alternative to the Mac. However, clearly people exist who prefer it.
I think Apple has figured out a system by which the Mac and iPadOS can cross-pollinate to some extent, which some people seem to insist means they'll merge in the long run. I don't think so. They just inspire each other.
Now, the pace I'm less happy with. We're eleven years in, so roughly in the equivalent of the System 7.5.x era. At that point, macOS had already grown a ton, and it had some very clear killer apps, such as DTP. I wonder if that's what's missing for the iPad, and I do wonder if, around the time Steve died, there was a decision that they no longer want/need to do excellent first-party apps. (Keep in mind the iPad 2 was introduced with Garage Band. Where's 2021's equivalent of that?) Decent apps like Linea exist, but no must-haves, it seems.
And while I'm happy how much more discoverable they've made multitasking in iPadOS 15, I just can't see how it took the company that brought GUIs to the mainstream about six years to come to the insight of "what if we added a button, and it pops out a menu?".
Like I said above different philosophy. Microsoft things it can do that with one OS. Apple things you need two OS.
By guess is software engineers on Steve Job watch in the lab probably have been experimentally with trying to have only one OS and probably tried 3 or 4 different OS style types than said no it cannot be done. And because windows 8 fail. When Steve Job just confirmed it we not going to be like Microsoft.
That Steve Job was very anti this. Well Tim Cook may have tried later on in the lab getting software engineers experimentally but again after one or two tries say no this cannot be done.
Well Microsoft software engineers thing they can do it.
Microsoft office and paint also still has the ribbon interface that kinda makes it more touch friendlly. Even the file manger can be made to turn on the ribbon interface. So it running full desktop app
Just different philosophy.
chucker23n1
macrumors G3
Yup.
I don't think Apple regards "the iPad needs to be more like the Mac!" "Why?" "…because! It's the Mac!" as a compelling argument. Some things the Mac does are a good fit for the iPad, and others aren't.
I use iPad as a content consumption device yet with the power it now has I can understand how people are frustrated with its artificial limitations. The pro line os should be significantly different/capable than the base iPad however it’s not.
Safari is damn snappy however.