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Mark Gurman: Apple Exploring iPads With Larger Displays
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Because I use the iPad as much, if not more for browsing than my MBP and its a reflex if I am just quickly surfing around to dismiss some popups with my finger. If I'm using a mouse and working I don't. I sometimes forget myself and start reading to scroll as well. This is despite having Macs since 1989 and iOS devices since the first iPhone.
It's not rational, but it happens.
As someone that has lived under hardware constraint for decades, having too much performance in a device is a relief. Same kind of relief as large hard drives.
So the problem is really that you need a new Mac?
An app is not the same thing as an OS. Awfully many make this mixup. Apple cannot be responsible for third part apps can they?
Two MacOS as well? How unreasonable.
Since when was being satisfied with an Apple product the same thing as Apple apologist?
But a new Mac would be as powerful as my content consumption device. Apple really needs to release more chips if they want to transition away from intel.
Apple is going to be very deliberate in how many SoC’s it releases and expecting more than 1 or 2 in a given 12 month time frame is unrealistic. Given that Apple built the M1 and how it works in 5 different product lines, the churn you were used to with minimal upgrades from Intel is gone and won’t return. This is a good thing for us, unless you’re addicted to Intel product roadmaps, like many users here.
As an artist having an iPad closer to my art size would be a massive boon - the existing iPad is way too small. I really wanted something like my iMac 5K but with Apple Pencil support.
They should remove the iOS first and add the macOS. It does not make sense anymore an iPad with such more power been limited by its software.
Yeah, they are all tending to make compromised devices........to be "all things to all people".
My 2010 with dual X5677 Xeons. iPad does not run Logic, other pro audio software or Photoshop or run the audio drivers in the same flexible manner.
My suggestion is that you find a platform you like, as opposed to one you obviously hate.
Yup, the experience that has sold 4 times as many machines as Macintosh systems.
Because this time it will really be different. I am trying to understand why you bought an iPad Pro, given you knew what it could and could not do before you bought it. You clearly want a Windows system, why did you not just buy one? Also, why do you think that iPadOS app developers have been desperately waiting for the newest version of Windows to rewrite their apps for Windows? There are at least three times as many Windows machines as iPadOS machines and 12 times as many macOS users. You do not think that developers know that? Maybe they like developing for iOS/iPadOS as they do not have to worry about piracy, prefer the developer experience and enjoy the platform (or maybe you are right and they are just too dumb to know what is best for them).
This is not new, nor has Apple felt the need to compete in that space yet. While I understand that you clearly know what most ”Pro users of iPads have been requesting for years” (except for all the Pro users of iPads who have already posted that they disagree with your), can you even accept the slightest possibility that your views do not represent the bulk of users?
That is why we now have iPadOS. I guess all those people who give the iPad over 95% customer satisfaction, just do not understand their own needs.
Why would Luma Fusion want to port to Windows 11, when they could have developed it for that platform in the first place, but were not interested?
If only people that wanted iPads wanted the Windows experience, rather than the much more user friendly iPad interface. Wondering why you think that this time Microsoft will have nailed it, given that they have been doing this for quite a few years and still have not succeed?
Got it.
Darth Tulhu
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Putting macOS instead of iPadOS on an iPad would alienate Apple iPad customers, only to please some Mac customers.
To do that is what would make no sense.
Anyone who buys an iPad and doesn't like iPadOS is wasting their time and money.
Got it. Twice as fast as a 10 year old machine. Not sure why would would be considering an iPad Pro to replace your desktop. Seems like a Mac mini would be a more appropriate system (given that it has 10Gb/s Ethernet and more Thunderbolt ports, and is much cheaper).
The thing in her left hand is the Surface Dial. The tablet is a Surface Studio. The Surface line does offer a better laptop experience than a tablet experience. Unfortunately the touch focused Windows 8 went over very poorly. It seems Microsoft has let the touch interface languish. It really has no reason to focus on it since the Windows tablet market is dominated by 2 in 1 devices which offer keyboards and mouse/trackpad input.
I haven't read everything so I might say things that have already been said...
Those against a (let's say) 15in iPad pro, are against it because of mainly 2 reasons:
1. They wanted it as a laptop replacement but iPadOS is not going in that direction
2. They use the iPad on the sofa à la Steve Jobs and find it too big (some even find the 12.9 too big...)
Many of those that would instantly buy a 15in iPad pro:
1. do not want to replace a laptop, they want a larger screen for drawing, reading PDF magazines, sheet music etc, watching movies, using it as a portable monitor, etc
2. do not need to hold it all the time, most of the time would put it on a stand / smart cover / keyboard etc. (and may even never use it on a sofa)
3. wouldn't necessarily have it as their do-it-all iPad, but many would have it in addition to another smaller iPad
Lastly, if Samsung is making a 14.6in tablet that weighs less than the M1 12.9 hopefully Apple can come up with a 15in iPad that weight not much more than the 1st gen pro....
Those against a (let's say) 15in iPad pro, are against it because of mainly 2 reasons:
1. They wanted it as a laptop replacement but iPadOS is not going in that direction
2. They use the iPad on the sofa à la Steve Jobs and find it too big (some even find the 12.9 too big...)
Many of those that would instantly buy a 15in iPad pro:
1. do not want to replace a laptop, they want a larger screen for drawing, reading PDF magazines, sheet music etc, watching movies, using it as a portable monitor, etc
2. do not need to hold it all the time, most of the time would put it on a stand / smart cover / keyboard etc. (and may even never use it on a sofa)
3. wouldn't necessarily have it as their do-it-all iPad, but many would have it in addition to another smaller iPad
Lastly, if Samsung is making a 14.6in tablet that weighs less than the M1 12.9 hopefully Apple can come up with a 15in iPad that weight not much more than the 1st gen pro....
Darth Tulhu
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This is an interesting take.
I think that going forward, things are going to accelerate for the iPad. And I think people underestimate how FAST Apple got their DESKTOP chip onto an iPad. An iPad, fellas.
All this time, Apple has been working to make the iPad a device powerful enough that can replace a laptop for most people. But they have to start somewhere. That somewhere was Apple Silicon. It took ten years, but now the iPad is something truly viable for the bell curve of total computer users, and the absolute perfect iLife device that Steve Jobs envisioned so long ago.
People forget that Steve was working on the iPad BEFORE iPhone, but the iPhone became the Sun in the Apple Solar System, displacing the Mac.
However, the iPad was the culmination of Steve's "a computer for 'everyone'" vision.
Every year the iPad gets capability added without destroying the existing experience. Yes, it seems like a snail's pace, but now that Apple Silicon is finally desktop worthy (and the iPad was really the test bed to get there) things are going to change faster.
Today, Apple is a little busy not only transitioning the legacy Mac environments to the work that began on the iPad (or iPhone, depending on your perspective), but managing the consumer ecosystem platforms that integrate said iLife experience (Watch, AirPods, TV). All with the iPhone at its center.
I think once the 2022 date is reached and the AS Mac transition is complete, it's going to get REAL interesting at Apple.
Darth Tulhu
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I fall SQUARELY on the second list!
I actually got both the 12.9 and the 11 iPad Pros (with MKs too) and was A/B'ing their experiences, and yes, they are very different devices.
The 11 Pro is the perfect iPad. Couchable, travelable, light as hell, versatile, it was great. But the screen is small for this 17" MBP fan.
However, the 12.9 was the laptop replacement. I can still couch/toilet it (it's so SURPRISINGLY light for its size), but on the MK it comes alive and is the perfect 2-in-1 for me. That screen seems GIGANTIC in hand. I also think that the aspect ratio makes it seem bigger, so hand-holding is a bit unwieldy.
For me, Apple releasing a 15" iPad Pro could mean that I would give up my 12.9 and go to 11 AND 15, if the 15" had a 16 x 10 laptop-like aspect ratio instead.
I would love to have all three and test those scenarios!!
I believe the poster has the understanding that there are a LOT of things that Apple WOULD do, if only there weren’t so many folks on MacRumors apologizing for them. Like, EVERY board meeting goes, “Ok, here’s this amazing cool new thing that we can do it’s hard, and it may fail, but we could try it. HOWEVER, I was just reading MacRumors this afternoon and it appears that folks are saying that it’s ok that the iPad is the way it is. So, all in favor of these three posts on MacRumors?”
Well, there’s still about 9-10 million who have never used a Mac before that’s still buying them. They should, like, take the chips meant for the iPad (that they’ve been calling ‘desktop class’ for years) and pop those into the Mac so that Macs are cheaper to produce.
While we first saw it in a Mac, I’ve always seen the M1 as putting an iPad chip in a Mac. I mean, they’d been calling them “desktop class” for so long, it was bound to happen
Right. I don't think many people criticize the hardware specs of the iPad, though. It's the software side that seems incomplete, still.
Apple isn't going to allow HandBrake in the App Store and that has more to do with politics and contracts with the media companies than it has to do with anything else. Apple knows that it can't lock down macOS in the same way it can iOS/ipadOS and they've accepted that. Users here need to accept that certain apps are never going to be ported over to iOS/iPadOS for various reasons and that the iPad is not meant to completely replace macOS, no matter how delusional Apple was back during 2016-2018 pushing users to accept those artificial limitations that exist in iOS and abandon the Mac. I suspect there are factions within Apple that were clearly aligned to get rid of the Mac (notwithstanding how do you build an iOS app without a Mac), but met some fierce resistance, lost handily and who are still nursing their wounds.
Apple has clearly positioned the iPad and iPadOS as the computer for 80% of most users computing tasks. Your tasks (Xcode, R, DaVinci) that Apple doesn't intend to be run on iPadOS. Your description of how you want to work clearly says, "I need a Mac", and that is what you should be using, not griping that Apple should build iPadOS to do those tasks which are last mile use case for what is a small percentage of Mac users.
You're demanding that a iPadOS be catered to your specific use case in a way that Apple has never articulated using the iPad and you're seemingly upset that Apple hasn't done so when its evident that Apple is trying to solidify the 80% use case, which is what they should be doing. That 80% of users aren't using Xcode, R or DaVinci Resolve.
Why is that the fringe always seem to think they are the mainstream?
Also, Sidecar is not meant to take on the Cintiq. The Cintiq is a specialized tool and SideCar is there simply to make your iPad more useful, not take on another company's entire product line.
The problem you have is that you're conflating the CPU with the operating system and that's not the case with what Apple has done.
Panasonic, Planar and other companies make 42 inch and larger TVs with multitouch, which is supported in Windows. These interactive digital signage solutions make the "iPad on a stand" look like prehistoric relics. I'm sure many of those companies would prefer to run those displays on Macs, if MacOS supported multitouch monitors. Do people honestly expect Apple to make a 50 inch iPad?