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As much as I don't like him, he didn't lie and made a few good points.

People in this thread tend to get very defensive, but he didn't criticize Vision Pro, just said that meta had different values and vision when it came to designing such device and that's it...
He said:I think that their announcement really showcases the difference in the values and the vision that our companies bring to this in a way that I think is really important.

I don't see a problem either. No need to get defensive indeed. It's very clear what Mark means. He wants to keep the price low, so as many people as possible can use it. So he can follow them up to eye-movement level. That's where his real interests lay. 'Social' as in 'Marks biljoen dollar earning social advertisement network'.
 
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Notice the phrasing... "that we haven't thought of."

It's great that you've thought of lots of things, Zack. When do you plan on actually bringing them to market? 2046?
 
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Who cares what this robot thinks about really anything. Everything he touches turns to hot garbage and his bread & butter is exploiting user information and helping to undermine global democracy, which he’ll make sure it is baked into any augmented reality product Meta releases going forward
 
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As much as I don't like him, he didn't lie and made a few good points.

People in this thread tend to get very defensive, but he didn't criticize Vision Pro, just said that meta had different values and vision when it came to designing such device and that's it...
I agree. It's such a pity that Apple has priced out so many people with this new device. I think it should have been no more than $2000, so everyone can enjoy it, families could have more than one maybe and disabled people on a fixed income can use the wide variety of accessibility features. A missed opportunity to lead the world, I feel, as they did when the iPhone and iPod were launched.
 
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deadass one of the funniest articles/biggest cases of copium I’ve ever seen on this website.

Apple already annihilated FB once with App Tracking Transparency- they’re ready to do it again with Vision Pro, even if it’s not in in the first-gen.

this reads like a quote from a Palm/BlackBerry exec in 2007.
 
I'm actually excited for the quest 3. Much smaller, roughly double the performance of the quest 2, better controllers and $500? Count me in!
 
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deadass one of the funniest articles/biggest cases of copium I’ve ever seen on this website.

Apple already annihilated FB once with App Tracking Transparency- they’re ready to do it again with Vision Pro, even if it’s not in in the first-gen.

this reads like a quote from a Palm/BlackBerry exec in 2007.

I remember someone showing me their Blackberry Pearl in early 2007 at work. I wanted to throw that thing through the window. I never owned a PDA or a Crackberry.

Zuckerberg calling a Mixed Reality headset "isolating" compared to his VR face brick is hilarious. It also reminds me of Ballmer's dismissiveness of the iPhone.
 
Impressed that Apple took the time to point out details on how Vision Pro protects privacy by not allowing apps to track eye focus. Without that, the headset would have been a dream for Meta: amazingly valuable to sell eye focus info to advertisers.

When Oculus eventually implements accurate eye-tracking, guess how private the data is kept :)
 
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Hes not wrong the AVP is supremely overpriced. How many of you are going to spend a used car budget for thie AVP?
 
Impressed that Apple took the time to point out details on how Vision Pro protects privacy by not allowing apps to track eye focus. Without that, the headset would have been a dream for Meta: amazingly valuable to sell eye focus info to advertisers.

When Oculus eventually implements accurate eye-tracking, guess how private the data is kept :)

This is a really good point. Apple just keeps crippling Facebook at every turn. That's what's got Zuckernerd so hot under the collar.
 
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Hes not wrong the AVP is supremely overpriced. How many of you are going to spend a used car budget for thie AVP?

If you can't afford it don't buy it...just like every other piece of Apple gear.

As everyone is so fond of saying, "OMG I can get an Intel i22 at 60ghz with a 50GB video card and 20TB of SSD for less than an MBA 13." Yeah, go for it.
 
Hes not wrong the AVP is supremely overpriced. How many of you are going to spend a used car budget for thie AVP?

Compared to what other Mixed Reality headset, exactly? The closest thing out there in terms of firepower is the Magic Leap 2 with its AMD Zen 2 SoC... It's actually not VR/AR, just AR, and it costs... $3299.

The Meta Quest 2 and Quest 3 both use the Qualcomm Snapdragon which has... errr... about 1/20th the firepower of the M2 in the AVP.
 
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I had not grasped this when I made my comment but I see what he means now. I think there is room for these kinds of spaces (see VRChat, Rec Room) but the rancid amounts of commercialization that is opened up by them make me wary. I prefer Apple's approach where the default OS does not go into this use case, but I presume that third party software will be able to.
Apple should outright ban advertising in VisionOS. If you can spend $3500 on the headset, you can probably spend enough per app to not have to deal with ads. Lots of people are calling the Apple Vision Pro dystopian, but what would truly be dystopian is constantly having ads forced right in front of your eyes and floating in the air.
 
Yeah, but it will not have face tracking, it will not be 4k, and it will not have 4k pass through.

While next year's Meta Quest Pro model will have all this for Vision Pro's features for half the price.

Nope. The Quest Pro uses the Qualcomm Snapdragon XR2+... care to guess how it benchmarks compared to the M2?

It's not even remotely close... There won't be any blended VR/AR, no dual 4K pass through, no facial synthesis... You're comparing a toy to a MacBook Pro in a visor.

There's nothing wrong with other products, but these are oranges and, well, Apples... they're aimed at totally different markets, my man.

Every time Apple comes out with something new, someone goes "but what about gaming!" ... Apple didn't have any problem becoming a $3 trillion company without chasing the $260 billion gaming niche. They're going after something much bigger than that.
 
He's not wrong as far as the hardware is concerned. As impressive as the Vision Pro's tech is, they haven't solved the "elephant in the room" problem: it's no less clunky and uncomfortable than other headsets. It's an impressive package of high-end components (displays, CPU, sensor suite), but they come at a price that few will be willing to pay, and high energy consumption. If they eventually come out with a lower-cost version, it'll probably not be much different from a Quest 4 or whatever is the current version by then.

Now on the application side, the two couldn't be more different. The Vision Pro is essentially a "face iPhone" with mostly the same applications adapted to a very slick and polished 3D interface. The Quest, on the other hand, is mostly geared at Zuck's Second LifeMetaverse and games. Very different target groups.
 
Hes not wrong the AVP is supremely overpriced. How many of you are going to spend a used car budget for thie AVP?
I mean…let’s factor in a few things (saying this as someone who doesn’t plan to buy a first-gen, just interested in talking price for what you get here)

83” Sony 4K OLED (same company manufacturing AVP displays): $5,499.99

M2 13” MBA (bare minimum, since this thing can mirror any Mac and has an M2 in it): $1099

AirPods Max (for Spatial Audio): $549

total: $7,147.99

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