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Nope. The Quest Pro uses the Qualcomm Snapdragon XR2+... care to guess how it benchmarks compared to the M2?

It's not even remotely close... There won't be any blended VR/AR, no dual 4K pass through, no facial synthesis... You're comparing a toy to a MacBook Pro in a visor.

There's nothing wrong with other products, but these are oranges and, well, Apples... they're aimed at totally different markets, my man.

Every time Apple comes out with something new, someone goes "but what about gaming!" ... Apple didn't have any problem becoming a $3 trillion company without chasing the $260 billion gaming niche. They're going after something much bigger than that.
Apple‘s doing great with gaming. Sure they don’t get the credit, but check this out:
 
Nope. The Quest Pro uses the Qualcomm Snapdragon XR2+... care to guess how it benchmarks compared to the M2?

It's not even remotely close... There won't be any blended VR/AR, no dual 4K pass through, no facial synthesis... You're comparing a toy to a MacBook Pro in a visor.

There's nothing wrong with other products, but these are oranges and, well, Apples... they're aimed at totally different markets, my man.

Every time Apple comes out with something new, someone goes "but what about gaming!" ... Apple didn't have any problem becoming a $3 trillion company without chasing the $260 billion gaming niche. They're going after something much bigger than that.

Is very often isn't really.
 
It's so obvious how he's trying to turn the narrative in his favour with this whole thing:

He's trying to make it look like Vision is the one that isolates people, unlike his metaverse, which is *totally* not designed as a replacement of real life interaction for the sake of monopolizing socialization. Yeah, it's *totally* not that, Mark.

This is exactly what I was saying 1-2 days ago... Zuckerberg is very aware that his failure was in trying to get everyone to the metaverse, not the other way around. It's been obvious since Second Life or maybe earlier that the compelling user story for VR/AR is going to be when it creates tangible conveniences that carry over to the real world.

How does the metaverse save me time, or simplify my life? That's the question Zuckerberg never answered... When my aunt's DSL company couldn't answer that question in the 90s, I knew their days were numbered.
 


In a companywide meeting with employees today, Meta CEO Mark Zuckerberg responded to Apple's announcement of the Vision Pro, according to The Verge's Alex Heath. Zuckerberg said the Vision Pro has no "magical solutions" that Meta has not thought of, and "costs seven times more" than its recently-announced Quest 3 headset.

Zuckerberg-Vision-Pro.jpeg

Zuckerberg added that Apple's announcement "really showcases the difference in the values and the vision that our companies bring to this," noting that Meta's goal is to offer products that are "accessible and affordable to everyone." Vision Pro will be priced at $3,499, while the Quest 3 will be priced at $499 and the Quest Pro costs $999.

Meta's goal with the metaverse is "fundamentally social," whereas the Vision Pro appears to be more isolating, according to Zuckerberg. He admitted that Apple's approach "could be the vision of the future of computing," but is "not the one that I want."

Zuckerberg's full comments, as reported by The Verge:Just days before WWDC, Meta previewed the Quest 3, its next-generation mixed reality headset. Launching later this year, the headset features a 40% slimmer and more comfortable design, a higher-resolution display, and up to twice the graphics performance as the Quest 2. The headset will start at $499 with 128GB of storage, and the company plans to share more details about it at an event on September 27.

Apple said the Vision Pro will be available in the U.S. in early 2024.

Article Link: Mark Zuckerberg Says Apple Vision Pro Has No 'Magical Solutions'
Dear mark you are mad as the apple head sets are something far better than you thought of .
 
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$399 headset from a company that makes billions mining user’s data.

$3,499 headset from a company that prides itself on user privacy, even with the cost of an utterly incompetent virtual assistant.

You buy what you pay for.
"Mining my data", so what. It's not like taking a Picture of me and stealing my soul.
 
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Apple‘s doing great with gaming. Sure they don’t get the credit, but check this out:

I know that and you know that, but the PC gamer gatekeepers will insist that's not TrueGaming™... And honestly, $8.5 billion in 2019 was just 12% of their operating profit... In other words, they're so freaking huge as a consumer electronics company that if they created an iFart app it would generate more ad revenue than Nintendo.

But that's just shooting fish in a barrel.
 
Depends, right? The last used car I bought was $90k.
I know, right? I just sold my old 2005 Camry with 200+ thousand miles for over 10k. I have no idea what used car you could actually buy for 3.5k.

And, dear mark: please stop selling my info to advertisers. I might consider buying your headset if it didn’t leak my personal data straight to Facebook or whatever your company is called now. Failure? Is that right?
 
All he said is technically pretty true, but where I think he’s wrong is his judgment of what people want. Or at least what I want. Who knows, maybe both will be successful in their own way (however you define success), or maybe even neither.
 
“Wahhh what problem does it solve”. How many more times are we gonna hear this?
Right? I suspect that after it's actually for sale, this won't be a concern. The 6+ month lead time for 3rd party devs cannot have been accidental. Apple demo'd a hardware + software platform, not (in any meaningful sense) applications; they'll come later and they will be outside of the existing paradigm.

It's not a lot different than the introduction of the Apple II. Back then there were no "killer applications" either but because there was a usable ecosystem, applications like VisiCalc followed in short order. If online inflation calculators are to be believed, the costs (Apple II vs VisionPro) are similar so I think this is a reasonable comparison.
 
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I don't like the man but it's true. There is not one killer app.
Of course there isn't yet. Developers are yet to get their hands on it. And the difference between the two companies is that with Apple, you're sure developers will - the way the systems interoperate and code ports over, it's very easy and even pleasant for them to get creative with a specific platform, or choose not to and not have to move a finger because Apple made it easy for them.

Where I agree with him though is that these are 2 fundamentally different devices focused on different things. Apple's is indeed a "spatial computer". In another form factor it could easily replace all your technology one day and before that day comes, it interoperates with a familiar ecosystem of devices that people like and where Meta isn't competing. Apple will figure out the form and cost factors before Meta could catch up with Apple on UI/UX alone, and developer engagement with the platform also can't be compared, ever.

I'm sure since Vision Pro has that "Pro" in the name that another version is coming in some time. Apple has plenty of time. I really encourage and would love to see some healthy competition because the market and us the customers benefit from that, but I don't see even Samsung and especially Meta catching up soon as this 'whole new product category but already easy for developers' thing is something only Apple could pull off with Swift, Metal and all the technologies they have at their disposal.
 
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Too stiff a price for me, but I imagine there are countless scenarios where a device like this could be fantastically useful. For example, imagine an architect being able to design and demonstrate a photorealistic 3D environment with one of these things. Engineering component design and visualisation could be much easier. Virtual tours of just about anywhere on Earth. I only thought about it for a minute but I imagine there will be many applications for this device.
I see so many uses for the technology that have not been (as far as I can tell) exploited or necessarily even touched upon.

Imagine something like this https://www.discovermagazine.com/te...pped-one-of-earths-deepest-subterranean-lakes done with the benefit of Vision Pro to explore and focus in on interesting things. And that barely scratches the surface in terms of real world uses for the technology.
 
What we are starting to see are the possibilities. Meta has a headset, apple is showing the first iteration of a wearable computer/tablet/phone. Like any advanced tech starts with an expensive model for the few that will generate insight, followed by a series of ever more advanced and more affordable designs. Can't wait...
 
"Can't wait to get our hands on it" Yeah then reverse engineer the sh*t out go it and palm the ideas off as their own. The Vision Pro rollout is more like the Mac announcement than the iPhone announcement. It will be copied and a substandard version of the experience sold for cheaper by competitors. And it may just be "good enough" of most people to use just like Windows back in the day. Interesting times ahead.
 


In a companywide meeting with employees today, Meta CEO Mark Zuckerberg responded to Apple's announcement of the Vision Pro, according to The Verge's Alex Heath. Zuckerberg said the Vision Pro has no "magical solutions" that Meta has not thought of, and "costs seven times more" than its recently-announced Quest 3 headset.

Zuckerberg-Vision-Pro.jpeg

Zuckerberg added that Apple's announcement "really showcases the difference in the values and the vision that our companies bring to this," noting that Meta's goal is to offer products that are "accessible and affordable to everyone." Vision Pro will be priced at $3,499, while the Quest 3 will be priced at $499 and the Quest Pro costs $999.

Meta's goal with the metaverse is "fundamentally social," whereas the Vision Pro appears to be more isolating, according to Zuckerberg. He admitted that Apple's approach "could be the vision of the future of computing," but is "not the one that I want."

Zuckerberg's full comments, as reported by The Verge:Just days before WWDC, Meta previewed the Quest 3, its next-generation mixed reality headset. Launching later this year, the headset features a 40% slimmer and more comfortable design, a higher-resolution display, and up to twice the graphics performance as the Quest 2. The headset will start at $499 with 128GB of storage, and the company plans to share more details about it at an event on September 27.

Apple said the Vision Pro will be available in the U.S. in early 2024.

Article Link: Mark Zuckerberg Says Apple Vision Pro Has No 'Magical Solutions'
Taken at face value, Zuckerberg isn't wrong. But once you understand who we're talking about, Apple has the track record of innovation and iteration while Facebook's main successes have all been copying the moves of others or buying them. I'm betting on Apple to do VR/AR/Metaverse better than Facebook.
 
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$500 is expensive if it isn't used. $3500 is cheap if you use it and it makes you more productive in the work and computing you do.
Anyone who's ever run a business knows the following is true: computing equipment, in the grand scheme, is generally very cheap, on a relative basis. Even if you run an all-Apple office, with top-of-the-line specs, it's relatively cheap.

You know what's expensive? Employees. Salaries, bonuses, health insurance, workplace insurance, unemployment insurance, running and funding 401k / retirement plans, and even food and travel reimbursement -- that is expensive. It's a continuously recurring cost that goes way up every single year, and never, ever goes away. The price of the Vision Pro literally is a rounding error compared to the enormous structural cost of employees. Absolute truth.
 
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