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Mark Zuckerberg Says Apple Vision Pro Has No 'Magical Solutions'
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Haha, yes my point is the operating system and input restrictions have ignored the tropes and expectations of current VR headsets, it’s just a shame that the hardware though high fidelity is stuck in a quite antiquated form factor.
The Metaverse is already a massive failure and money pit. Sure, the Apple Vision is $3500, but it will sell out instantly and generate massive amounts of hype. Most people won't even know what the Metaverse is because Apple has marketed devices like this for 40+ years. Facebook has never once launched a successful new product, except for the original facebook.
How do you know Vision Pro was "rushed"? Apparently, it was in development for years. Who are you to know whether that was enough? It's still got another 6-9 months before launch. Sure, there's no specific application that will prove to be a massive hit, but give that time.
As for Tim Cook, I've gotta say you're wrong about his launching of products. There have been several new product lines that went on to become massive successes:
Airpods
Apple Watch
and I would argue Apple Music, Apple Pay, Apple TV are all gradually getting bigger and bigger.
Say what you want, but Apple's stock price is now about 10X what it was when he took over as CEO and their market position is stronger than ever. These are just objective facts.
"Airpods Apple Watch and I would argue Apple Music, Apple Pay, Apple" are all within hundreds of dollars. Apple never sold out anything quickly that are above $3500
I think Apple Pay has been a massive success, the iPhone X was very successful especially in ushering a new interaction style with the iPhone (and later iPad).
The other, without reliable data, I'm not so sure.
So true, however I think apple have made the developer kit especially easier to transfer PC games onto IOS and slowly, slowly, they are going after the gaming market as well, IMO within 2 years they will get there with this product in particular
I think most people, were expecting a wearable device like the AVP to be within range of at least $1000. But when Apple introduced the Vision Pro and made it clear that this was a new type of Computer, the price tag made sense. Think about it, you are getting pretty much a MacBook Pro M2 Performance + Augmented Reality Glasses all into one.
However, we can agree that shelling out $3500 is not for regular folks who make less than $200k/year and have families, etc. That doesn't mean it won't sell. It will sell to those who want to dump that kind of money. I hope it sells well because if it has a good adoption rate then that means that sooner (within a year, maybe 2) rather than later we will get a non-Pro vision, maybe a less powerful one, with the basics aimed at $999.
However, we can agree that shelling out $3500 is not for regular folks who make less than $200k/year and have families, etc. That doesn't mean it won't sell. It will sell to those who want to dump that kind of money. I hope it sells well because if it has a good adoption rate then that means that sooner (within a year, maybe 2) rather than later we will get a non-Pro vision, maybe a less powerful one, with the basics aimed at $999.
I think it will trigger a wait list. The tech elite are gonna buy it, the 1% are gonna buy it, crazy rich Asians are gonna buy it. You are looking at around market base of 50 million for this device. And I haven't included poor people like me in the mix yet who will feed on Ramen Noodles save for it.
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Yeah, great take. This is an expensive computer. Lots of people buy expensive computers. I think the success of the iPhone has people thinking "if it's not something that everyone carries with them all the time, it is a failure." But that's not how things work. Fancy sports cars get bought by a tiny sliver of the population, but they are still successful. Apple decided to make a sports car for their first device in this space and that's OK.
Quest Pro is actually a significant step up from the Quest 2. It has better hand tracking and added eye tracking support. It also has improved motion controllers that can actually track behind your back now. They also lowered the price to $999 and it does essentially the same thing. One reviewer that actually tried the Vision Pro said imagine the best version of the Quest, but with iPadOS.
That being said, Apple has some very impressive tech here. Leaps and bounds better than Quest with the M2, displays, cameras, eye tracking, and everything else. Only thing they missed me with is crapping on the motion controllers.
To be fair to MS and even RIM. They treated it as a business product, that some consumers would buy. Why would a consumer need business email and such. Where Apple treated it as a consumer product. Which ended up being used in business due to how many people bought them. Businesses had no choice but to support it. People did't want to walk around with two phones.
I'm still sticking with at least a million sold in 2024. Plus, it's not 1/1/2024 start date so.
If they sell 10 million... Then WOW. 🤯
He's already doing it. It lost its initial popularity and costs too much money. Next step is cancellation.
(difference is though I'm actually sad about Westworld not working out)
Yeah, sure. Try being a novelist and writing a hundred-thousand-word novel with just a Vision Pro. See how far you get lol.
I agree on the 10 million simply considering how mature both the desktop, laptop and mobile device markets are right now while VR/AR is still fairly niche and has needed something substantial for a good while.
A lot of consumers are also completely technophile in their spending habits and constantly looking for new consumer electronics to buy, or to upgrade the tech they already own.
While not enough to ensure continual growth and long lasting success for Vision Pro, and its successors, I think many millions will justify getting a Vision Pro just to try out something that appears genuinely new and polished and, as a byproduct of our culture, also comes with a bucket load of social capital for its owners.
If the hype on immersion and level of precision controlling the UI is also real then this could definitely be a winner in the short and long term despite how inaccessible the price makes it.
That said, Vision Pro has to survive enough iterations for it to reach a price point that's appropriate for the mainstream. $3499 is very far from mainstream.
Wow, you guys are smoking something good! You really think there is $35 billion out there just waiting to be used to snatch up the first gen AVP? 🤣 I honestly would give anything to legally bet you that this will not happen. I would bet you $100k, I'm not even joking. You all are dreaming, but that happens a lot in Apple fan land. You do realize that the AR/VR landscape is terrible in terms of profits right? Along with about every other metric. But you think Apple is going to save it with a $3500 (starting) headset. Wow!
All this with 2 hours of battery life. You nailed it again, sir. Bravo!
Not particularly. I have certainly had fun so far, but would more call the purchase an experiment to see how I get on with wearing the headset and being immersed inside it. I like new technology so thought it was the ideal time to try AR/VR.
I appreciate the Vision Pro seems to be more business or production orientated, which actually I see real potential. I’d love to be able to wear one at work.
The AR aspect for me really is how I imagine us working or interacting in the future in some form.
I understand where you are coming from. But I think most people are forgetting that: A. this has already been done (90% of it anyway), although this should be the best device yet, and B. most people don't want to strap their computer/phone/tablet to their face/head. That is where the disconnect seems to lie. I could buy this all day long without batting an eye, but I'm not going to because I don't want to strap my computer to my face/head, not even a little bit. I'm not saying it won't be fun to use for maybe an hour or so at a time, but that will be about it. I use my computers for multiple hours a day (mostly for work of course) and I am not trading my office set up in for a $3500 device I have to wear on my head and add headphones or buds if I want decent sound. On top of that, you either get two hours of battery life tops, while lugging the battery around, or you are tethered to a wall outlet. Not cool either way. I honestly wouldn't do it if said device only cost $500. I guarantee you I am in the majority here. That is all I am trying to say. I'm not hating on the device or anyone who wants to buy one. I'm just trying to be realistic about it. If you want one and don't have to go into debt to get one, go for it. However, a device of this size, weight, and cost will never replace and iPhone/MacBook/iMac, etc. There is a reason why very few people are buying AR/VR headsets, and yes those are powered computers on your face/head as well.I don't think Apple is trying to "save" the AR/VR landscape. They aren't emotionally invested in that world in the way many Gamers and Meta are. Apple has given us a computer in a different format here. I don't think you've yet to catch the vision of it. That's fine. But everyone continuing to argue about AR/VR, in my opinion, have missed the point almost entirely. This is not a monitor. This is a new iteration of the mac book, iPad pro, etc. It's not some mobile gaming device meant for some niche use case. Just like my macbook air is not about some niche use case. It's general computing. And in that light, which I think is correct, the price is on par with the upper end macs and laptops Apple sells.
And if you have $100k to bet on this, use 3.5% of that to take a chance on the device. As you've repeatedly said elsewhere, you can always return it
That is why I said 90%. 😁 I wouldn't call a brand new OS mature, but that's just me. I mean, it is an all new platform. Based off of mature OS's sure, but still brand new. Anyway, we will see how it goes. I hope you drop a review sometime after you get your AVP. I'd like to hear more about it from people who aren't known reviewers.But it hasn't "already been done." It simply hasn't. Even though you can do productivity work, I suppose, on the Quest, it's not using a mature Ecosystem and operating system. I don't think it was a coincidence that Apple recently released Logic Pro and Final Cut Pro for the iPad.
And it simply isn't about "you can do that too" on the other devices. It's a degree of polish. It's having the right level of resolution and quality to not feel like you're trying to get your gaming toy to do business things. I just fundamentally don't think that any of the available devices, even the really expensive high-end VR goggles are doing what Vision Pro does. Because they don't have a mature OS powering them, with millions of available apps.
Alas, you know my feelings well enough by now. Carry on
I'm not the only person. The device is DOA. No one is going to buy it.
I see what it can do and I also see that it does not solve a problem. It is merely a niche way of combining multiple different styles into one device.
Conceptually, it is a product in search of a customer.