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MBP 13" LCD Model Difference Tracking
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9C9F here, but when I check via the terminal window it identifies the screen as LP133WX3-TLA1 which, having read previous posts seems to be associated with 9CBD.
So which screen do I have?
So which screen do I have?
Download http://www.madrau.com/switchres/SwitchResXControl.zip, run it by clicking "Export EDID" button. Save the text file and read it from TextEdit. It should report model number at the end under Descriptor #2. You will also see the color info and manufactured date. 9C9F could be the same LG-Philips panel as 9CBD with different manufactured date. Please also share Color Info section.
This is what I got:
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------------------- MAIN EDID BLOCK -----------------
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EDID Version........1.3
Manufacturer........APP
Product Code........40860 (9F9C) (9C9F)
Serial Number.......00000000
Manufactured........Week 3 of year 2009
Max H Size..........29 cm
Max V Size..........18 cm
Gamma...............2.20
Color info:
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Red x = 0.000 Green x = 0.000 Blue x = 0.000 White x = 0.312
Red y = 0.000 Green y = 0.000 Blue y = 0.000 White y = 0.328
Descriptor #2 is ASCII data:
LP133WX3-TLA1
I have the 15" LG screen and I fully agree with you. Fluorescent/neon/vibrant is exactly the way to describe it. Blue = purple, but I think that this is the 'full color gamut' that you are experiencing. It's similar to the Vaio Z. I certainly am not ready to call this an improvement in color, and not one that I would use as a deciding factor when thinking about a screen. I would say matte vs. glossy is a much bigger factor. Actually, I check that. This is a glass screen and it's actually considerably more reflecting than a glossy screen. I've had glossy screens before and it didn't bother me at all. The glass screen bothers me to no end and I will be returning it or selling it b/c of it.
Unless you're calibrating your screen with a hardware device (i.e. colorimeter, spectrophotometer, etc) and not your eyes using the built in calibration profile there's no way you can definitively say that colors look wrong on your screen. How are you supposed to know unless you have a standard reference with which to compare to?
The biggest difference I see when using this new display (9C9E) with the higher gamut was that my photos had the strong reds like my calibrated 22' IPS LCD monitor on my desk. On my old laptop everything looked a little greenish even though it was calibrated because the panel simply didn't have the gamut in the reds. So if the blues suddenly are looking more purple, it's because it's supposed to be that way and you're finally seeing it correctly. Welcome to the world of color. Also don't confuse TN panel viewing angle issues (inherent to every laptop) with backlight bleed, color errors, etc. On my 20" iMac at work the TN panel makes things look a little redder at the top so the links would tend to look a little more purple as I scrolled up the screen due to viewing angle issues not color rendition problems.
Ruahrc
The biggest difference I see when using this new display (9C9E) with the higher gamut was that my photos had the strong reds like my calibrated 22' IPS LCD monitor on my desk. On my old laptop everything looked a little greenish even though it was calibrated because the panel simply didn't have the gamut in the reds. So if the blues suddenly are looking more purple, it's because it's supposed to be that way and you're finally seeing it correctly. Welcome to the world of color. Also don't confuse TN panel viewing angle issues (inherent to every laptop) with backlight bleed, color errors, etc. On my 20" iMac at work the TN panel makes things look a little redder at the top so the links would tend to look a little more purple as I scrolled up the screen due to viewing angle issues not color rendition problems.
Ruahrc
13" base MBP model with 9CBD here - I activated another install for my ColorEyes Display Pro license and did a quick profile using the ColorEyes colorimeter. Display looks great now - no purple links or any of the other problems. I did not get anywhere near as good a result using an old Eye One Display I have around.
It's expensive, but CDP is the way too go if you are really picky about display color calibration.
It's expensive, but CDP is the way too go if you are really picky about display color calibration.
Yes Blues do appear Purple its not nice when looking at greens as its almost as if its glowing. I think this is meant to be this new color gamut as mentioned above but I don't think Apple have thought this over before releasing it. I think there needs to be a software update to rectify this or at least allow us to tone down the colors there very intense. A lot of people are saying they have been into the stores and they say the display models are exactly the same.
when some of you are talking about blues looking purple, just *how* purple do you mean? Purple like the default Leopard wallpaper, or just a purplish blue?
def not
that color purple, but def not blue either, you'd def notice it if you saw it, its like the blue is so bright/rich i guess you could say, that it has a purple tinge to it
9C9E screen calibrated
I calibrated my 9C9E screen today with the xrite i1 display2 colorimeter. The results are great the gamut matches that of my Dell 2209WA very closely, and comparing images side by side on the two calibrated displays they are almost exact. The new screen was the deal-maker for me I really had no intention of buying the new laptops until I heard they had new screens.
I have put up pictures of the calibration results so you can see. I calibrated the 13" MBP screen twice, one with a white point of 6500K and another with a "native" white point. For comparison I have also put up pictures of the Dell 2209WA screen calibration and the calibration result from my old laptop, a Powerbook G4 15" (Aluminum model). You can see the big increase in gamut from the old 15" PBG4 to the new MBP13.
I also tested the calibrations against standards using the validation utility included in my calibration software. The result for the MBP13" calibrated screen was an average dE2000 value of about 1.8. For reference, my old laptop gets about 2.4 average dE2000 and my 2209WA gets about 0.5 average. I believe that well calibrated high end displays like an Eizo or LaCie will have an average dE of around 0.1-0.2.
Anyways it's better than my old laptop, pretty good for a laptop I think, and the color gamut is vastly improved. So I'm very happy with the new screen!
MBP13" screen @ native white point:
http://tinyurl.com/mecfvk
MBP13" screen @ 6500K:
http://tinyurl.com/kw2klj
PBG4 15" screen @ 6500K:
http://tinyurl.com/knf4jy
Dell 2209WA 22" IPS panel @ 6500K:
http://tinyurl.com/ls2j39
Ruahrc
I calibrated my 9C9E screen today with the xrite i1 display2 colorimeter. The results are great the gamut matches that of my Dell 2209WA very closely, and comparing images side by side on the two calibrated displays they are almost exact. The new screen was the deal-maker for me I really had no intention of buying the new laptops until I heard they had new screens.
I have put up pictures of the calibration results so you can see. I calibrated the 13" MBP screen twice, one with a white point of 6500K and another with a "native" white point. For comparison I have also put up pictures of the Dell 2209WA screen calibration and the calibration result from my old laptop, a Powerbook G4 15" (Aluminum model). You can see the big increase in gamut from the old 15" PBG4 to the new MBP13.
I also tested the calibrations against standards using the validation utility included in my calibration software. The result for the MBP13" calibrated screen was an average dE2000 value of about 1.8. For reference, my old laptop gets about 2.4 average dE2000 and my 2209WA gets about 0.5 average. I believe that well calibrated high end displays like an Eizo or LaCie will have an average dE of around 0.1-0.2.
Anyways it's better than my old laptop, pretty good for a laptop I think, and the color gamut is vastly improved. So I'm very happy with the new screen!
MBP13" screen @ native white point:
http://tinyurl.com/mecfvk
MBP13" screen @ 6500K:
http://tinyurl.com/kw2klj
PBG4 15" screen @ 6500K:
http://tinyurl.com/knf4jy
Dell 2209WA 22" IPS panel @ 6500K:
http://tinyurl.com/ls2j39
Ruahrc
Is everyone complaining about the flourescent colors with the out-of-the-box Color LCD profile, or after you've calibrated it too?
Presumably, Apple could push out new default profiles with a software update to make these MBPs look more "normal".
Presumably, Apple could push out new default profiles with a software update to make these MBPs look more "normal".
Maybe everyone else in the world has normal screens while MacBook Pro owners have ****ed up screens? If everyone in the world had MacBook Pros I wouldn't care if links were purple and greens were radioactive looking because everyone else would be experiencing the same thing. My three other computers display the same colors while this MBP is way off.
But they're not so I'm disappointed.
I don't think it would help. Everyone's individual screen is going to respond differently, so if they released new profiles soem people's will get better but probably just as many other people's screens will start to look wierd. They probably made the default profile based off of an average color response for the particular panel they have used and that's as good as they can do short of individually calibrating every laptop screen coming out of the factory.
Ruahrc
def not
It's like a cross between these two faces but more on the purple side.
If the display looks wrong to you, tweak it with the built in calibration utility in system preferences. Or use SuperCal which I found to be a better software calibrator and was free last time I used it. Don't trust the default calibration profile for anything more than a general guideline. Again, you cannot definitively say your screen is messed up unless you're able to set it side by side with a properly calibrated screen.
If you are *really* adamant about correct color, the only solution is to buy a hardware calibrator and calibrate your screens. Playing lotto with the Apple store until you get one you happen to like is not the best, smartest, or fastest way to do it.
Got the 9CBD, I think it's amazing. Even better than the 9CA5 that was on the uMB, and even that was one of the "silently upgraded" models.
we should include more in the first post wiki to identify the purple/fluorescent colors issue.
if this is a setting and not a profile issue, than it would be limiting the color reproduction capability of the monitor. My guess is that apple has vibrance cranked up for the vdac.
if this is a setting and not a profile issue, than it would be limiting the color reproduction capability of the monitor. My guess is that apple has vibrance cranked up for the vdac.
neon greens/ blue purples / orange browns here.
EDID Version........1.3
Manufacturer........APP
Product Code........48540 (BD9C) (9CBD)
Serial Number.......00000000
Manufactured........Week 3 of year 2009
Max H Size..........29 cm
Max V Size..........18 cm
Gamma...............2.20