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MBP 2017 no 32GB Ram?

xWhiplash said:
Not everyone needs higher than 128 GB of storage. I am only using 50 GB out of my 1TB. Only apps are on my laptop storage. I have external SSDs that are as fast as SATA 3 speeds.

Why are people shocked about no 32GB of RAM? It is NOT possible without Cannon/Coffee lake unless Apple changes their design to use desktop class RAM. Since they use low powered RAM, we need to wait until Intel supports 32GB of RAM instead.
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Oh really? Its an architectural limitation?

Thought Kaby Lake mobiles were good to go?

Interesting about being ok with 128gb, it would be crammed for me. I could probably do it, but would be unwilling to for shelling out $1300 on a new machine.

it is a 2015 roll back.
 
thadoggfather said:
Oh really? Its an architectural limitation?

Thought Kaby Lake mobiles were good to go?

Interesting about being ok with 128gb, it would be crammed for me. I could probably do it, but would be unwilling to for shelling out $1300 on a new machine.

it is a 2015 roll back.
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I always quadruple what I think I need. So I though I would get by with 256GB, so I got the 1TB version. It is nice for those that know they will be within the 128GB limit and get it for cheaper. No price difference for more storage though. People shouldn't have been expecting a price drop this soon anyway unless they did what they did, change the base config.
 
jerryk said:
Maybe that is the idea. 128 GB might be good enough for companies that issues these system to employees. No extra space for music or other unallowed data, and $200 less are all good things for them.
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That's about it tho. It's really about being cheap and greedy, not even considering the end user's experience. Like 16gb iPhones still standard on 6s and SE in 2015 going into 2016. only with storage bump SE "version 2" and 7 have they offered a reasonable amount to people still without a ton of needs (just not barebones).

Apple has never been more of a bean counting company than under Cook.
 
xWhiplash said:
Not everyone needs higher than 128 GB of storage. I am only using 50 GB out of my 1TB. Only apps are on my laptop storage. I have external SSDs that are as fast as SATA 3 speeds.

Why are people shocked about no 32GB of RAM? It is NOT possible without Cannon/Coffee lake unless Apple changes their design to use desktop class RAM. Since they use low powered RAM, we need to wait until Intel supports 32GB of RAM instead.
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Current macbooks use LPDDR3. Kabylake does support 32 GB of LPDDR3 so not sure what exactly you are talking about... the real reason they don't have the 32 GB option is because you would get 5 hour battery life.
 
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xWhiplash said:
No. You need to use desktop class memory which results in 5 hour battery life.
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from where do you have this information? So it means really we have to wait till the end of this year untill Kaby Lake
Refresh (8th Gen) is comming?
 
nedzad said:
from where do you have this information? So it means really we have to wait till the end of this year untill Kaby Lake
Refresh (8th Gen) is comming?
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Here: https://www.imore.com/why-doesnt-new-macbook-pro-have-32-gb-ram

The true reason behind the lack of 32gb or ddr4 is intel. Skylake does not support LPDDR4 (LP for low power) ram. Kabylake is set to include support, but only for the U category of chips. So no LPDDR4 support for mobile until 2018 I think.
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These do not have U class processors, therefore it is still limited to 16GB.
 
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nedzad said:
okay that makes sense. Thank you for the info but too bad that we cant get it before 2018 so have to wait till the new imac Pro comes end this year
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Yeah I wish Intel would get off their butts and start making processor generations more attractive. I think the latest AMD processors helped with that since now we are getting i9 processors.

32GB would be VERY nice in a laptop. But it is not Apple's fault here.
 
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I agree that it's very frustrating not to have a 32GB option, especially when the competition offers it and Apple itself has just bumped up the limit for the iMac to 64GB. But as already pointed out, this is due to limitations which aren't Apple's fault, Intel really needs to get their s*** together. Some argue that Apple could just have made a thicker model with a larger battery and desktop-class RAM, but it's very clear that this is not their design philosophy, so no surprises there.

Also, I know it sounds really petty, but I didn't want them to offer it yet. I bought a maxed-out 2016 model after years of pointless waiting for this upgrade, seeing it come out after a few months would have pissed me off like crazy. :p
Jokes aside, I hope we see a RAM increase soon, but we will probably have to wait until 2018.
 
I waited for the 32GB MBP but now it looks like apple is making users who demand this spec to migrate to the iMac, which is sad for users like me who need muscle in the field.
 
Xowi said:
I waited for the 32GB MBP but now it looks like apple is making users who demand this spec to migrate to the iMac, which is sad for users like me who need muscle in the field.
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To expect a completely redesign of a thicker laptop so they could put a bigger battery and desktop class RAM just for 32GB of RAM after not even one year is ridiculous.
 
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catportal said:
That info is wrong. The memory controller on either the skylake or kabylake chip can support 32 GB of lpddr3. Neither support lpddr4. Source: intel MMU micro arch docs.
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The controller can support 32GB, the problem (as far as I can remember, but correct me if I'm wrong) is rather that LPDDR3 RAM chips of sufficient density to reach such amount with the current logic board design are not available. If it were possible to introduce 32GB of low-power RAM without redesigning the logic board, I think Apple would have done so by now.
 
The reasonably reliable Kuo claims 4th quarter for a specially configured 32GB MBP.

https://www.macrumors.com/2017/01/16/kaby-lake-macbooks-ming-chi-kuo/

Interestingly, Kuo also mentions a "15-inch MacBook" that will include 32GB of RAM and enter mass production in the early fourth quarter, which starts in September. He said this model will be "the most significantly redesigned product this year," and he believes it will adopt desktop-class RAM to satisfy high-end users.
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xWhiplash said:
32GB would be VERY nice in a laptop. But it is not Apple's fault here.
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It totally is...if they made it thicker and with a 99.5 battery (like the 2015 one) they could have 32gb of RAM and keep a reasonable battery time....

But you know paper-thin is PARAMOUNT :rolleyes:

catportal said:
the real reason they don't have the 32 GB option is because you would get 5 hour battery life.
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...if you keep using smaller and smaller battery...
 
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FYI: Coffee Lake is set to be released in the second half of 2017, Cannonlake in late 2017 (it seems they will be 30% more powerful than Kaby Lake). I would expect a 32Gb macbook pro in February 2018 but it could be earlier.
[doublepost=1496734386][/doublepost]In any case 32Gb of LPDDR4 will use more power than 16Gb of LPDDR3 so they will need to do something to retain the same battery life.
 
Look it is this simple. Dell and others will sell me a 32GB Kaby Lake laptop. Yes it uses desktop class RAM, yes its battery isn't as good. Who cares? If you truly *need* 32GB ram - you don't care that the battery is only 5 hours. MY 2014 MBP battery is only about 90 mins when under load also. One accepts that demanding processing kills the battery because...physics.

Between the design direction Apple are taking (touch-bar, ****** keyboard), the pricing strategy and the lack of 32GB and user-replacable RAM/SSD, this is no longer the laptop for me. Dell XPS is now the spiritual successor of the MBP.
 
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The Mercurian said:
Look it is this simple. Dell and others will sell me a 32GB Kaby Lake laptop. Yes it uses desktop class RAM, yes its battery isn't as good. Who cares? If you truly *need* 32GB ram - you don't care that the battery is only 5 hours. MY 2014 MBP battery is only about 90 mins when under load also. One accepts that demanding processing kills the battery because...physics.

Between the design direction Apple are taking (touch-bar, ****** keyboard), the pricing strategy and the lack of 32GB and user-replacable RAM/SSD, this is no longer the laptop for me. Dell XPS is now the spiritual successor of the MBP.
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I have no issue with your preference that is fine however nothing about the new MBP's is not the spiritual successor to the previous ones. Apple have always been about getting the most performance and battery life out of the thinnest lightest laptops they could with every generation of technology available to them.

They have made the same compromises and locked down their devices further and further with every generation, the latest MBP is the spiritual successor to every apple product ever made. If you don't like or want it that's fine but stop trying to pretend that this hasn't been their end game from the start because it always has been and its always been obvious that this was their direction for at least a decade, if not 2.
 
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Samuelsan2001 said:
I have no issue with your preference that is fine however nothing about the new MBP's is not the spiritual successor to the previous ones. Apple have always been about getting the most performance and battery life out of the thinnest lightest laptops they could with every generation of technology available to them.

They have made the same compromises and locked down their devices further and further with every generation, the latest MBP is the spiritual successor to every apple product ever made. If you don't like or want it that's fine but stop trying to pretend that this hasn't been their end game from the start because it always has been and its always been obvious that this was their direction for at least a decade, if not 2.
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Perhaps I should have been more specific. the Dell XPS range is the spiritual successor to the original MBP line pre-retina. Work-horse machines, yet portable with user upgradeability built in. This is what brought many of us into the mac range in the first place, and the gradual abandonment of this ethos is why many are now annoyed.
 
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The Mercurian said:
Look it is this simple. Dell and others will sell me a 32GB Kaby Lake laptop. Yes it uses desktop class RAM, yes its battery isn't as good. Who cares? If you truly *need* 32GB ram - you don't care that the battery is only 5 hours. MY 2014 MBP battery is only about 90 mins when under load also. One accepts that demanding processing kills the battery because...physics.

Between the design direction Apple are taking (touch-bar, ****** keyboard), the pricing strategy and the lack of 32GB and user-replacable RAM/SSD, this is no longer the laptop for me. Dell XPS is now the spiritual successor of the MBP.
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They won't release a thicker laptop with a different battery and desktop class RAM for ONLY the 32GB model. Which means if you want 8 or 16GB, you will be getting desktop class and have poor battery life as a result. I CARE about my battery life.
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catportal said:
That info is wrong. The memory controller on either the skylake or kabylake chip can support 32 GB of lpddr3. Neither support lpddr4. Source: intel MMU micro arch docs.
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It is possible. But the current implementation whether it is the processor or memory density and logic board limitations are the issue. Therefore, desktop memory must be used at this time for 32GB of RAM. It doesn't matter what the issue is, the solution is the same which is to use desktop class memory.
 
Remember the MacBook Pro still is a portable machine. I think it's perfectly balanced between power and portability/battery life. For the people who really need 32GB of ram, who would indeed not care about battery life, Apple has designed best in class desktop iMacs for them. When tech is that far developed, of course I would love to see a MacBook Pro with 32GB of ram and an excellent battery life.
 
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vjobs said:
Remember the MacBook Pro still is a portable machine. I think it's perfectly balanced between power and portability/battery life. For the people who really need 32GB of ram, they would indeed not care about battery life, Apple has designed best in class desktop iMacs for them. When tech is that far developed, of course I would love to see a MacBook Pro with 32GB of ram and an excellent battery life.
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Oh I would love to as well. But I need at least an 8 hour battery life. Battery life is important when you are talking about LAPTOPS here. I am shocked how many people say "I don't care if it is 3-5 hours". No, these need to be used for work, and I need 8 hours of battery life whenever possible.
 
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