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MBP 2017 no 32GB Ram?

xWhiplash said:
I am shocked how many people say "I don't care if it is 3-5 hours".
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I am also amazed of so many people taking the time to come here and say that Dell or another brand is better. If Dell is better for you buy a Dell and stop whining in an Apple forum. Most importantly stop assuming that your case (32Gb Ram, couple of hours battery life) is relevant because it is not, you are part of a quite small minority of users. Most of us need a light, small laptop powerful but plenty of battery life and 16Gb is still more than enough for the vast majority of customers, look at the sales of this thing.
 
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xWhiplash said:
I am shocked how many people say "I don't care if it is 3-5 hours". No, these need to be used for work, and I need 8 hours of battery life whenever possible.
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It is incredible how many people in this forum work in the jungle or in the middle of the desert and are more than 8 hours away from the nearest power outlet....
 
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xWhiplash said:
Oh I would love to as well. But I need at least an 8 hour battery life. Battery life is important when you are talking about LAPTOPS here. I am shocked how many people say "I don't care if it is 3-5 hours". No, these need to be used for work, and I need 8 hours of battery life whenever possible.
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Exactly.

ugru said:
It is incredible how many people in this forum work in the jungle or in the middle of the desert and are more than 8 hours away from the nearest power outlet....
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Many people don't have a power outlet for hours. Like me: I travel 2 hours by public transport working, I work mostly without a power outlet nearby, I travel 2 hours back while working on my MacBook Pro. That is easily 6-8 hours a day without a power outlet.
 
xWhiplash said:
They won't release a thicker laptop with a different battery and desktop class RAM for ONLY the 32GB model. Which means if you want 8 or 16GB, you will be getting desktop class and have poor battery life as a result. I CARE about my battery life.
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This is where you are confused. Nobody is forcing YOU to buy a model with 32GB and bad battery. We want different things. You can buy your 16Gb model and be happy - they cater to you - they no longer cater to me.
 
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The Mercurian said:
This is where you are confused. Nobody is forcing YOU to buy a model with 32GB and bad battery. We want different things. You can buy your 16Gb model and be happy - they cater to you - they no longer cater to me.
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Meaning that the 15" 16GB MacBook Pro is unnecessarily thicker and heavier just because some want to have a thicker 32GB ram MBP with bigger battery to compensate 32GB ram power draining... They won't make 2 separate designed top cases just for a ram upgrade.

We better wait and let ram/CPU technology develop. Then let Apple introduce a MacBook Pro with 32GB of ram with a 10 hour battery life in the same thin and light casing as the 2016 MBP.
 
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ugru said:
Happens to me too...but when it happens I always have a vehicle or an APU or solar panels to charge stuff...
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In all fairness there always power, nor is a power hungry 15" class notebook my weapon of choice for such situations. IMHO Apple have neutered the MBP for the sake of the aesthetic. To me it's mostly rhetoric anyway as once you engage the dGPU on any portable your going eat through the battery in quicktime. That said portables with larger battery capacity (within reason) are simply better for obvious reason.

Another way to look at it, on the Windows side you have choices, with Apple take it or leave it. If need a 15" class with 32Gb or even 64Gb and decent dGPU there are options, as I too can take or leave Apple both professionally and recreationally...

Q-6
 
The Mercurian said:
This is where you are confused. Nobody is forcing YOU to buy a model with 32GB and bad battery. We want different things. You can buy your 16Gb model and be happy - they cater to you - they no longer cater to me.
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No. Apple will not create on MacBook Pro at 8/16 GB configs and another one at 32GB of RAM that is thicker, more battery capacity, and desktop class RAM JUST for the 16GB more RAM.
 
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They kept LPDDR3. Those CPU's don't support 32GB with LPDDR3.

They could 32GB with DDR4, but it's more bold to be different with DDR3 while the rest of the industry is DDR4.

DDR4 would've required at least a partial redesign of the main board. Bumping to the new CPU's alone required zero hardware changes, only a bios tweak.
 
xWhiplash said:
No. Apple will not create on MacBook Pro at 8/16 GB configs and another one at 32GB of RAM that is thicker, more battery capacity, and desktop class RAM JUST for the 16GB more RAM.
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Why do you keep writing "desktop class RAM"? The dell xps 15" with 32GB RAM uses SODIMM memory, ie laptop form factor memory. One does not have to wait for the successor to kaby lake to get this. It *is* entirely apple's fault that they chose not to provide this option.
 
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This is kind of a joke. I've had a Lenovo laptop with 32gb ram since 2010/2011. I think even the 2010 macbooks could run 2x 8gb 8500 sodimm. 7+ years later and I am stuck at 16gb on a $3k Apple laptop.
 
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It's unclear to me if there is something like a superior energy that forces you to buy a macbook pro, like the invisible hand of tim cook pushing you into an apple store. There are options, buy a dell xps with 32gb and be happy.
 
bcc9 said:
Why do you keep writing "desktop class RAM"? The dell xps 15" with 32GB RAM uses SODIMM memory, ie laptop form factor memory. One does not have to wait for the successor to kaby lake to get this. It *is* entirely apple's fault that they chose not to provide this option.
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Laptop form factor, but "desktop-class" modules (as in, "standard" DDR4, not LPDDR4) and therefore desktop-class power consumption.
 
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caramelpolice said:
Laptop form factor, but "desktop-class" modules (as in, "standard" DDR4, not LPDDR4) and therefore desktop-class power consumption.
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Maybe I should also point out that macbook pros *used* to use SODIMM form factor. Back when the macbook pro was more serviceable. In any case I would not describe SODIMM memory as implying desktop power consumption. That is a bit of a distortion used to justify Phil Schiller's spin.
I'd take slightly more power consumption and 32GB over 16GB any day. In the mean time my hackintosh and linux systems will have to do the heavy lifting it seems.
 
Sterkenburg said:
The controller can support 32GB, the problem (as far as I can remember, but correct me if I'm wrong) is rather that LPDDR3 RAM chips of sufficient density to reach such amount with the current logic board design are not available. If it were possible to introduce 32GB of low-power RAM without redesigning the logic board, I think Apple would have done so by now.
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Higher density chips are available. They are just more expensive and have more power usage. Also, they are probably packaged differently though I don't think it would be a significant redesign of the logic board.
 
carlob said:
It's unclear to me if there is something like a superior energy that forces you to buy a macbook pro, like the invisible hand of tim cook pushing you into an apple store. There are options, buy a dell xps with 32gb and be happy.
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In my case, my final cut projects don't run on windows or linux so a dell laptop is a bit limiting (though I made my last dell laptop run all 3 oses. Was a bit of a pita however so I don't want to keep doing that). Also when I fire up compressor to render my 4K or 5K video it eats all the memory I can throw at it. Throw in one more step such as motion compensation and my macbook pro is bogged down and holds me up.
 
bcc9 said:
Maybe I should also point out that macbook pros *used* to use SODIMM form factor. Back when the macbook pro was more serviceable. In any case I would not describe SODIMM memory as implying desktop power consumption. That is a bit of a distortion used to justify Phil Schiller's spin.
I'd take slightly more power consumption and 32GB over 16GB any day. In the mean time my hackintosh and linux systems will have to do the heavy lifting it seems.
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Well that's you. These are laptops. I need as much battery as possible.
 
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xWhiplash said:
Well that's you. These are laptops. I need as much battery as possible.
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And many pros have repeated that they'd rather have 32GB and 5 hour battery. I'm not rendering video in the woods or in a coach airline seat so I can plug in almost always. Just want the screen to be a bit more mobile than the desktop. This is not an unusual opinion or an unreasonable expectation.
 
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bcc9 said:
And many pros have repeated that they'd rather have 32GB and 5 hour battery. I'm not rendering video in the woods or in a coach airline seat so I can plug in almost always. Just want the screen to be a bit more mobile than the desktop. This is not an unusual opinion or an unreasonable expectation.
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Well, the "pros" can repeat it until they turn blue but Apple is not going to make a laptop with 32Gb and 5 hours battery life, period. This is crystal clear to everybody knows Apple (and for very good reasons, I'd add). Btw the new macbook pro is the most successful laptop Apple has ever made, it made more money in the first 5 days of availability than most laptops in the whole year, four times more revenue has been made from the new macbook pros in two weeks than surface books have generated in a year. We are talking about millions macbook pros sold, how many people you think are interested in a 32Gb/5 hours machine, maybe 1% of the market? Probably less.

Apple will surely release a 32Gb model with a full day battery life, probably the 2018 model which will be a coffee lake machine with LPDDR4 RAM soldered chips (because SODIMM slots are thick and space is at a premium).
 
bcc9 said:
Maybe I should also point out that macbook pros *used* to use SODIMM form factor. Back when the macbook pro was more serviceable. In any case I would not describe SODIMM memory as implying desktop power consumption. That is a bit of a distortion used to justify Phil Schiller's spin.
I'd take slightly more power consumption and 32GB over 16GB any day. In the mean time my hackintosh and linux systems will have to do the heavy lifting it seems.
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It has nothing to do with being SODIMMs. The form factor is utterly irrelevant. The XPS 15 and the MacBook Pro use different types of memory. The XPS uses DDR4, the MacBook Pro uses LPDDR3. LPDDR3 uses lower power at idle than DDR4, and enables the MBP to have very long light-usage and especially standby battery life compared to its competitors.

There is such a thing as LPDDR4, which has the same benefits and would allow for 32+GB of similarly low power memory, but Kaby Lake does not support it. In the meantime, the most LPDDR3 you can stick in a notebook is 16GB, so that is what Apple does.
 
carlob said:
Well, the "pros" can repeat it until they turn blue but Apple is not going to make a laptop with 32Gb and 5 hours battery life, period. This is crystal clear to everybody knows Apple (and for very good reasons, I'd add). Btw the new macbook pro is the most successful laptop Apple has ever made, it made more money in the first 5 days of availability than most laptops in the whole year, four times more revenue has been made from the new macbook pros in two weeks than surface books have generated in a year. We are talking about millions macbook pros sold, how many people you think are interested in a 32Gb/5 hours machine, maybe 1% of the market? Probably less.

Apple will surely release a 32Gb model with a full day battery life, probably the 2018 model which will be a coffee lake machine with LPDDR4 RAM soldered chips (because SODIMM slots are thick and space is at a premium).
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If you are gonna make up a load of statistics you better make up a source to go with them.
 
The Mercurian said:
Perhaps I should have been more specific. the Dell XPS range is the spiritual successor to the original MBP line pre-retina. Work-horse machines, yet portable with user upgradeability built in. This is what brought many of us into the mac range in the first place, and the gradual abandonment of this ethos is why many are now annoyed.
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Just not true the pre retina machines were still the thinnest, lightest, best battery life, performance laptops you could buy at the time. They had middling (even poor in some cases) GPU options and top of the range processors exactly as they do now.
 
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