Then Apple should make the battery bigger, as they used to do. The 2015 MBP had a 25% bigger battery and was perfectly portable...
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Then Apple should make the battery bigger, as they used to do. The 2015 MBP had a 25% bigger battery and was perfectly portable...
I'm familiar with the sales stats I don't need to google it. I'm flat out accusing you of making those numbers up.
If you wish to refute that - post your sources behind those numbers. If you can't/won't we will take that as admission of making it up.
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I never said they weren't any of those things?!?!
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Have you tried windows machines ? Some of them you can swap out the battery for a spare
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I couldn't care less of what you think, you are clearly clueless. Enjoy:
https://9to5mac.com/2016/11/09/2016-macbook-pro-sales/
https://www.forbes.com/sites/ewanspence/2016/11/09/apple-macbook-pro-sales-figures/#7481518f124f
http://www.techradar.com/news/laptop-sales-pick-up-with-apples-latest-macbook-pro-selling-nicely
http://bgr.com/2016/11/08/macbook-pro-sale-apple-13-inch-revenue-numbers/
https://www.fool.com/investing/2017/05/04/donglegate-isnt-hurting-apples-macbook-pro-sales.aspx
I know how to interpret data. NONE of those sources are Apple. 4 of them are in fact one source, Slice. THe other is from TrendForce. These are market analysis firms and they DO NOT have access to Apple internal data. In summary - these reports are estimated guesses based on supply change reports and shopper surveys. They don't have real data on sales of specific models, rates or returns due to faults, rates of returns due to choice.
The only data worth anything is Apple's data: https://www.apple.com/newsroom/pdfs/Q2FY17DataSummary.pdf
As you can see Mac earnings are up about 14%, though sales are up only about 4% between Q2 2016 to 2017 - the only comparison worth talking about. This is for Mac as a group - we cannot tell if these are 2015 or 2016 models. We cannot tell if they are making most of the extra profit from selling the 2TB SSD option at huge price per machine for example. So the only figure worth anything is 4% year on year sales for all Macs. That is not so impressive. Particularly when you consider there was pent up demand for new MBP's for years. Finally, there are reports of alot of returns. We don't know if these figures are accounting for returns or not.
"On the call, CFO Luca Maestri noted, "Demand for MacBook Pro was very strong, helping to drive overall portables growth of 10%, twice the growth of the portables market." Apple stopped disclosing the mix of laptops vs. desktops years ago, so we don't know how many laptops Apple shipped in unit terms, but consumers have been shifting to laptops since the dawn of time."
[doublepost=1496838786][/doublepost]"CEO Tim Cook said Mac revenue hit a new March quarter record due to "strong demand" for the latest MacBook Pro with Touch Bar models, released in October 2016."
https://www.macrumors.com/2017/05/05/tim-cook-strong-demand-2016-macbook-pro/
These are marketing soundbites to keep investors happy. The data speaks for itself. They just lied onstage at the keynote saying they were price dropping the entry MBP when in fact they spec-dropped it. You think they don't lie in such PR exercises ?
"MacBook Pro with Touch Bar sales hit new record
Apple, in its second quarter earnings, revealed that the strong demand for MacBook Pro with Touch Bar (2016 models) has significantly helped Mac revenues hit a new record for March quarter. Although the model faced a lot of criticism when it was first launched, with users disappointed about several decisions Apple took – including removal of Thunderbolt 3 ports, the MacBook Pro with Touch Bar seems to be doing well in the market.
“We had great Mac results during the quarter. Revenue grew 14 percent to a new March quarter record, and we gained market share thanks to strong demand for our new MacBook Pros. Our Mac business has generated over $25 billion in revenue over the past four quarters”, said Tim Cook, Apple CEO."
http://www.mobipicker.com/macbook-pro-sales-hit-new-record-thanks-strong-demand-touch-bar/
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These are official statements released to the markets during the quarterly earning release analyst's call. You don't know what you're talking about. Reality is that the 2016 macbook pro has been a huge success and now I'll stop wasting my time replying you.
Apple, in its second quarter earnings, revealed that the strong demand for MacBook Pro with Touch Bar (2016 models) has significantly helped Mac revenues hit a new record for March quarter. Although the model faced a lot of criticism when it was first launched, with users disappointed about several decisions Apple took – including removal of Thunderbolt 3 ports, the MacBook Pro with Touch Bar seems to be doing well in the market.
“We had great Mac results during the quarter. Revenue grew 14 percent to a new March quarter record, and we gained market share thanks to strong demand for our new MacBook Pros. Our Mac business has generated over $25 billion in revenue over the past four quarters”, said Tim Cook, Apple CEO."
http://www.mobipicker.com/macbook-pro-sales-hit-new-record-thanks-strong-demand-touch-bar/
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These are official statements released to the markets during the quarterly earning release analyst's call. You don't know what you're talking about. Reality is that the 2016 macbook pro has been a huge success and now I'll stop wasting my time replying you.
They are talking about Mac results, not 2016 MBP result. Apple did not release any disaggregated data about how many MBP they sold, and never will. "Strong demand" means nothing without data, it is just PR stuff.
They will never tell you how many:
2015 refurbished;
2016 base MBP (wich is a rebranded 2015 version);
2016 MBP;
were sold...
Actually rumor has it that as soon as they presented 2016 MBP they saw an unexpected spike in 2015 refurbished sales.
A cofirmation of this happened yesterday, as soon as they presented 2017 MBP they pulled out all refurbished MBP from stores, to sustain new machine sales...
Apple never releases disaggregated data so you can 1) trust Apple (and I mean official statements in an earnings call, go file a complaint with the SEC if you think they are false) or 2) you can trust the independent market analysis firms like Slice, Trendforce, etc. Btw they both say the same. That's it folks.
Enough to have made it worth apple's while to do so in 2017. If they had announced this I'm sure there would have been much funfare.
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You guys claim SODIMM form factor is irrelevant and then claim space is at a premium. You can't have it both ways.
I say, yes, space is relevent, but not as much as weight. You can still have a thin light laptop with 32GB of RAM. With the right design choices it could have been a 2017 mac laptop.
For one, I never said "space is at a premium".
Two, you have repeatedly and completely missed the entire point of my posts to the point where I no longer feel motivated to respond to them. I'm not even sure you fundamentally understand at all what LPDDR3 and DDR4 even are.
Their laptop lines appear to be operating with the guiding principles "equal to or less weight than before" and "equal to or more battery power than before." This basically means that Apple is subject to the whims of slow improvements in battery tech and slightly faster improvements in processor speed. That Apple has been able to keep ahead of both, contradictory goals is attributed to the exponential growth in processor technology so far. Even so-- something has to give.
To me the writing was always on the wall-- no way were they gonna introduce 32gb of ram with no LP option. That would mean either bulking up the laptop to add more battery or sacrificing battery life compared to previous models. That hasn't been their M.O. for ages...
To me the writing was always on the wall-- no way were they gonna introduce 32gb of ram with no LP option. That would mean either bulking up the laptop to add more battery or sacrificing battery life compared to previous models. That hasn't been their M.O. for ages...
Exactly. The 32Gb laptop will arrive once Intel chips support 32 Gb of LPDDR4 (Cannon Lake as Coffee Lake does not support LPDDR4) and they are able to provide 10 hours of battery life or more with the same laptop size (or smaller). That will be the 2018 macbook pro.
Except that with 2016 MBP they totally failed to keep same "battery power" than before....
They reduced the battery from 99.5 to 76 and were hit by a barrage of criticism about battery life. They even had to remove the time indicator from the top menu and release 2 or 3 fast software updates...
As a result they only succeeded in delivering their promised 10 ours on the 13" nonTB model, which has good battery life, the TB ones have inferior performances in this regard...
Who would have thought that including a gimmick extra screen and touch sensing function that nobody asked for would drain battery ??
I don't have a direct experience because I didn't buy the 2016 MBP (still holding on my 2013 machine until next year) but I have read many reports of owners that are satisfied with their 15" MBP TB battery life after software updates. By the way last week I had the chance to play with a maxed out Dell XPS and I wasn't even getting 6 hours out of it.
But what were you doing with the Dell ? People seem to forget this. I have a 2014MBP. If I shut down wifi, bluetooth, turn off sound, shut down all programs I'm not actively using, turn brightness down and simply edit a Word document - yeah I'll get maybe 6 hours out of it. On the other hand if I fire up a complex Bayesian regression model the takes hours to compute using all the RAM and all the CPU cores I will get about 60-70 mins out of it tops before the battery dies.
I have a 2.6 GHz 460 15" MacBook Pro with Touch Bar, and it has far better battery life than my previous dGPU 2014 15" MacBook Pro. I can easily get 8-9 hours out of it, when turning screen brightness down to 50% with just surfing the web I can stretch it up to 9-10 hours. Excellent I would say.
There were a couple of issues that caused draining battery life that were fixed. It has nothing to do with the time indicator. I can actually get 14 hours of battery life on my 15" one.
Still a lot inferior to what they declare: 10 hours @ 75% brightness while viewing HD movies in itunes....
The only 2016 MBP with good battery life is the nonTB 13"...
Completely false. Are you still operating under the launch conditions? There were issues, as with everything, at launch that resulted in bad battery life. These have been fixed. Now I can EASILY get 14 hours of battery on my 15" model.
Did not respond to you, but to a previous post by vjobs who stated that he: "can easily get 8-9 hours out of it, when turning screen brightness down to 50% with just surfing the web".
If you apply Apple's standards to test battery life to his battery performance (75% brightness and iTunes HD viewing) you can easy see that his 15" MBP has clearly inferior battery life to what apple promised, 10 hours...
I'd say that under apple's test conditions his battery would last 7 / 7,5 hours, no more....
If you look at the 15" with a static screen and brigtness set to 10% probably the battery will really achieve 14 hours, but i am not even sure of that...
If you apply Apple's standards to test battery life to his battery performance (75% brightness and iTunes HD viewing) you can easy see that his 15" MBP has clearly inferior battery life to what apple promised, 10 hours...
I'd say that under apple's test conditions his battery would last 7 / 7,5 hours, no more....
If you look at the 15" with a static screen and brigtness set to 10% probably the battery will really achieve 14 hours, but i am not even sure of that...
Apple standards are: up to 10 hours iTunes movie playback. The iTunes movie playback test measures battery life by playing back HD 1080p content with display brightness set to 12 clicks from bottom or 75 percent and iTunes is the only application running.
[doublepost=1496929951][/doublepost]I am starting to think that people get paid to come here and spread negativity and false/misinformed information.
This is a thread about 2017 MBP and 32Gb Ram. Reasons why Apple is not offering a 32Gb option are explained. Now comes a user and says Apple bad, we need a 32Gb laptop and we'd like to get a mammoth with no battery life because we NEED 32Gb Ram. Reasons why Apple is not going to do it are explained. One of the reasons (besides Apple committment to make small, thin laptops with a long battery life) is that 2016 MBPs are selling like crazy and the 32GB niche is...a niche.
Now comes another use disputing that they are a success. Independent analysis is posted showing that but the user is not satisfied because the only relevant data are Apple's. Apple statements are posted (showing the same) and the same user is not satisfied because Apple statement are marketing. Comes another user and says that we need to trust independent analysis (loop).
While these users are still debating if sales are good or bad comes another user saying Apple bad because terrible battery life (this user doesn't own a 2016 MBP). At this point it is explained that it seems that majority of users are happy with battery life. Here comes an actual owner and says that his laptop is fine. Not enough: battery life is fine because you are not using it/you are not using it according to apple specifications to measure battery life (which are misinterpreted). And so on.
Now I'm expecting that we will turn on the keyboard? I'll give you a suggestion for the next replies: sticky keyboard, TB is a gimmick, no ports, no magsafe.
Yes you are correct, even 2h battery would be up to 10 hrs, so?
He said that with screen 50% and just surfing the web he could not reach 10....
You can turn it as you wish, it seems not adequate to me...
Look, I do not even care about battery life, since I live in a city and I can find power outlets everywhere, but there are people here who think that battery life is paramount for a laptop and still think 2016 is an excellent one.
It is not, only the 13" nonTB has excellent battery life. The others are underperformers...
Read here for reference:
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/battery-life-for-13-and-15-macbook-pro.2015074/
He said that with screen 50% and just surfing the web he could not reach 10....
You can turn it as you wish, it seems not adequate to me...
Look, I do not even care about battery life, since I live in a city and I can find power outlets everywhere, but there are people here who think that battery life is paramount for a laptop and still think 2016 is an excellent one.
It is not, only the 13" nonTB has excellent battery life. The others are underperformers...
Read here for reference:
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/battery-life-for-13-and-15-macbook-pro.2015074/