It is not debatable, FW is faster in real-world performance. Audio equipment, harddrives, and miniDV cameras. Those are not USB unfortunately.
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MBP is great! I don't understand the negativity!
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It is not debatable, FW is faster in real-world performance. Audio equipment, harddrives, and miniDV cameras. Those are not USB unfortunately.
I'd be willing to bed that 99% of the time, end user's screens are not calibrated at all. Unless you are doing print work, there is no reason to calibrate your screen.
yes ok that is fair enough, buy your own matte screen and replace it yourself
of buy the 17" while it still lasts.ONLY a decent upgrade???
the RAM speed has increased dramatically, it is MUCH faster than many other laptops out there today, the GPU is a substantial increase, the fact that it has both integrated graphics and a dedicated GPU makes way for SL, in a few months time that will play a MASSIVE role in the overall performance and battery life of the computer.
yes it is SUCH a crappy upgrade....
i too have a whole bunch of FW400 drives and peripherals, i am quite dissapointed by the fact that they have outlawed it. i am hoping that there is a backwards compatibility cable between FW800 to FW400.
i like the design, the black edge around the screen makes it stand out and highlights the computer as a whole.
as for the keyboard....i agree... icky!!
There really is no reason to calibrate a LCD at all, since it will never be truly accurate. I understand people crying foul over the reflections of the glossy display (though even that can be mitigated), but I don't understand the people who are complaining about the color reproduction. These so-called "professionals" should know that their work does not belong on an LCD at all.
If I were to give the new Macbook a letter grade, it would be a solid B. That would include the A I give it on industrial design and C I give it on not having firewire and charging a little too much for it.
To get an A in my book, shave off $100 dollars or more, and have a firewire port in it. But by no means is the new Macbook a "failure".
The last time they hit a home run was with several of the iPod and iPhone models and judging from their market share in those markets, those are Apple's A-list products.
To get an A in my book, shave off $100 dollars or more, and have a firewire port in it. But by no means is the new Macbook a "failure".
The last time they hit a home run was with several of the iPod and iPhone models and judging from their market share in those markets, those are Apple's A-list products.
I'm a web developer and a lot of times I end up doing a good amount of design for clients also. Any work I have ever done on a glossy screen (and we had them in college, i have no idea why) ends up looking way off on crt/matte monitors. I realize that often I have to compromise for those with glossy screens but I would much prefer to do my work on matte. Don't get me wrong I LOVE the new design.
I have no other problems with any other new features, I am just so frustrated that Apple would simply write off the (at minimum) 10% of people that feel the same way I do. I'm assuming here but seems like they are betting on making up the margin of lost professionals, who consider matte a requirement, in the wider consumer market. To me this is giving the finger to those people who have been the core users of their products for many years. IMHO of course
They do. It is perfectly ok to daisy chain a few Firewire 400 devices though I wouldn't stick something as demanding as a camcorder and a external drive together.
lol yes i am well aware that you can daisy chain devices, i have about 4 in a link.
http://www.cwol.com/firewire/firewire-800-1394b-cables.htm
PROBLEM SOLVED!!
i guess a lot of the negativity comes from the fact that counterintuitive decisions were made.
why drop one FW port?
why no giving a matte option?
why only two USB ports?
why all ports on one side?
why the high price points?
why this extra small display port?
in the end i think it is a great notebook. it has a number of great features and as soon as the people who are affected by the points above stop venting their anger you will get generally good feedback unless there are quality issues.
however the point remains: apple left out features that are important to many people in order to save a few dollar production cost. so people are upset.
another reason for the negativity is that apples strategy shifts from pro computers more towards high end stylish consumer products. it's clearly a high end product but not everyone likes that.
why drop one FW port?
why no giving a matte option?
why only two USB ports?
why all ports on one side?
why the high price points?
why this extra small display port?
in the end i think it is a great notebook. it has a number of great features and as soon as the people who are affected by the points above stop venting their anger you will get generally good feedback unless there are quality issues.
however the point remains: apple left out features that are important to many people in order to save a few dollar production cost. so people are upset.
another reason for the negativity is that apples strategy shifts from pro computers more towards high end stylish consumer products. it's clearly a high end product but not everyone likes that.
you are way behind the times. you obviously haven't seen inside some of the top design companies.
pantone certified cinema displays, matt macbook pros for location photography and visiting clients or working from home, not a glossy screen insight.
I'll tell you what to say... NOTHING. Stay out of what you quite clearly don't know about.
I prefer real buttons. This is why I do not use the mighty mouse.
Never felt lacking in that department. Of course I don't really need it in that capacity. More like Adobe CS and Dreamweaver. Capture NX and Photoshiop run fine on even my long in the tooth 1.67GHz and no doubt even better with my forthcoming 2.5Ghz/512MB graphics MBP Refurb.
Isn't that a side-grade to the current models?
External drives. I would rather that option than trusting all of my data on a internal laptop HD. Again, not a real issue.
Less cheetos and more fresh air and that is not an issue. Who actually had an issue with the weight of the "old" MBP? How much weight are we talking about? As far as durability is concerned, this goes back to the "rather not have all data on laptop" I mention above.
You are missing the point. For pro users, there is little compelling about the new model. Nothing you listed is a factor for me, and I handle pretty durned huge projects. On top of that, I personally think it is butt ugly.
Although I prefer matte screens myself, Apple is just "going with the times". Walk into Best Buy. Every single laptop (except the MacBook Pro old gen) pretty much has a glossy display. Apple is not omitting the matte to spite us. They're just doing what they think most people right, and yes, most people want glossy. Otherwise every other notebook manufacturer wouldn't be making screens glossy!
True that. I know I have been doing my far share for complaining, but it will pass. For the people who like the new line, great. Honestly if it works for you and your satisfied what other people think is irrelevant. The same way the person next to me does not like Macs at all. Well I do so, what he thinks is irrelevant. Honestly though I don't think he really dislikes macs I am just making a point.
The main reason I can see people complaining is because certain aspects of the MBP have gone backwards (no anti-glare option, no FW400), just to save cost or because that's what a lot of younger people and Windows users are used to.
Yes, some people say to stop complaining about there being no anti glare screen option, but users previously had a choice, and now they don't.
Although that is definitely what they're doing it's just less than i used to expect from them. Apple is not exactly every other computer company, isnt that one reason we like them? Another thing to consider in your equation though is glossy = cheaper...
I once heard about a company that after releasing a new product would pay some people to keep on riding the NY subways while talking out loud about how good that product was... some sort of guerrilla marketing tactic.
I can only wonder if the opposite could also happens... you know... not that anyone would do that but hypothetically if there was another theoretical company which would have imaginary reasons to dislike Apple, they could pay some people (or even mind bribe them with goodies) to post around bad reviews of a new Apple product on its launch day. Once the first posts were to be negative, it would not be difficult for real people to get restrained by the same focus.
I can only wonder if the opposite could also happens... you know... not that anyone would do that but hypothetically if there was another theoretical company which would have imaginary reasons to dislike Apple, they could pay some people (or even mind bribe them with goodies) to post around bad reviews of a new Apple product on its launch day. Once the first posts were to be negative, it would not be difficult for real people to get restrained by the same focus.
I don't have any clue about screen calibration on the pros and how that works. But couldn't you just get a matte screen protector like they make for the iPhones? You know the static cling ones and use that? If those don't exist already then I will start a company to begin production so that I can appease all of the "pro" users.
Despite all the attention and hype given to the new "brick" process saving 50% of the materials used and all, anybody notice that the new MBP not only fails to be lighter, it's slightly heavier? The footprint is also larger.
Old: 14.1 x 9.6", 5.4 pounds
New: 14.35 x 9.82", 5.5 pounds
It's not huge and it wouldn't stop me buying one but I wonder what the advances in the design are for apart from the rigidity.
Old: 14.1 x 9.6", 5.4 pounds
New: 14.35 x 9.82", 5.5 pounds
It's not huge and it wouldn't stop me buying one but I wonder what the advances in the design are for apart from the rigidity.
Here's why the negativity (ripped from an earlier thread):
-Is it any thinner or lighter?
---Not really.
-Is it better looking?
---Maybe, but not by much.
-Is it any faster (processing)?
---Probably, but not by much.
-Is it any more powerful (gpu)?
---Probably, but not by much.
-Any ground breaking features?
---Not really. Glass trackpad could be great, but brings along the negative of not having a dedicated button. New keyboard brings both positives and negatives. Glossy screen issue has been over-discussed.
-Reduced price?
---Not really.
-Is it any thinner or lighter?
---Not really.
-Is it better looking?
---Maybe, but not by much.
-Is it any faster (processing)?
---Probably, but not by much.
-Is it any more powerful (gpu)?
---Probably, but not by much.
-Any ground breaking features?
---Not really. Glass trackpad could be great, but brings along the negative of not having a dedicated button. New keyboard brings both positives and negatives. Glossy screen issue has been over-discussed.
-Reduced price?
---Not really.
I do consulting with JWT. I can tell you right now that any one of their designers would be fired if caught doing color correction on a laptop LCD.
I love the new laptops. They are beautiful. I just wish they were at a more reasonable price point.
Apple omitted Matte displays because very few people were using the. Any company will drop a feature if 5% of it's "PRO" users order it, it just wastes money to place different orders and manufacture double the devices only to have one not sell. face it, the public wants a glossy screen because it looks better.
as for firewire 400, just buy an adaptor.
as for firewire 400, just buy an adaptor.