MBP is great! I don't understand the negativity!

[UltraNEO*]

Content and functionality:

New glass trackpad
Very powerful video (dual GPUs)
Extended battery life (up to 5 hours)
Easy replaceable HD (without voiding warranty)
More durable,lighter


Funny thing is, this is the stuff people complained about with the old MBP...Video and hard to replace HD. They answered and all we hear is no Matte!

Note all the stuff listed is not cosmetic but actual 'content and functionality'

Kan-O-Z

OK... I got one for you, since your talking about 'content and functionality'.

does it mean I'll have to waste money on a Mini DisplayPort to DVI Adapter just so i can use my Cintiq 21ux tablet to the new MacBookPro?? I personally don't see the logic in this mini-port - I can only imagine it's gonna disconnect when ever i move the tablet, since there's nothing to secure the connector once connected.

Also... I can only assume your not experienced when it comes to Pro-users, cause the difference between a Matte display and a Gloss is huge!! Imagine using your machine day in day out, and you see glare in your face, reflections from the room and environment where you work... wouldn't that annoy the hell outta you? Imagine the extra strain on your eyes too!

 

[Eidorian]

lol

HAHAHAHAHAHA

Wow man just wow.

Remember Core Image? Core Video?

That came out with Tiger..... nobody used it.... The only program that really ended up using it was Aperture. Final Cut Pro did not use it until Leopard was about to be unleashed.

Bottom line is that these technology leaps are great, but are useless until the hardware, OS, and software all play nice, and that takes years.

I bought a Powermac G5 and a Powerbook G4 brand new with the best graphics cards when Tiger came out thinking I could really take advantage the awesome GPU accelerated Core Image stuff.

The only program that I use that ever used it was Apple Motion.

Now years later I am working on a Mac Pro... and again Motion is the only program that I use that takes advantage of Core Image GPU Acceleration.

Core Video and Core Animation are dead ends. I've only seen Apple's demonstrations for it at WWDC.

Core Image does get some use in a few applications.

 

[Chaos123x]

Core Video and Core Animation are dead ends. I've only seen Apple's demonstrations for it at WWDC.

Core Image does get some use in a few applications.

Exactly my point.

Software developers did not support it.


Adobe is never going to support ANY gpu acceleration system in there apps unless it's a cross platform system developed by....... Adobe.

 

[Anaxarxes]

Realize that people who are giving negative comments are professionals. I never understood people who buy MBPs and just surf online, write Word documents and listen to music, there is MB for that.

MBP should satisfy graphics, audio and visual professionals with it's features. No graphic artist is fond of glossy screens, hard to calibrate, too vibrate colors mislead in false effects on canvas and reflections annoy them.

You may find MBP a bautiful design, and it really is a great looking alptop but Apple closed the gap between MB and MBP too much, denied professional's demands and did not deliver processor speeds and storage capacities that everyone hoped for. ( 3.06 Ghz X9100, 8GB max RAM and 500 GB HDD BTO options are not offered )

So, you may be all cocky and say that they are great and beautiful but people who actually use them do not think so.

 

[Eidorian]

Exactly my point.

Software developers did not support it.


Adobe is never going to support ANY gpu acceleration system in there apps unless it's a cross platform system developed by....... Adobe.

Well they are using OpenGL and Direct X right now. We all know which one is cross platform.

 

[Aranince]

Exactly my point.

Software developers did not support it.


Adobe is never going to support ANY gpu acceleration system in there apps unless it's a cross platform system developed by....... Adobe.

CS4?

 

[newezra]

Realize that people who are giving negative comments are professionals. ...

... No graphic artist is fond of glossy screens, hard to calibrate, too vibrate colors mislead in false effects on canvas and reflections annoy them.

So, you may be all cocky and say that they are great and beautiful but people who actually use them do not think so.

I finally had to register after seeing this. I am a professional. I love the updates, including the glossy screen, and I'm purchasing my new MBP tomorrow. On top of it all this is the laptop I've been waiting for that I'm finally making the switch to Mac.

At the end of the day... the laptop is just a tool I use. Give me an 5 year old beater of a machine, and I can still produce the same level and quality of work - I just might run into frustrations of a slow machine.

I really wonder how many of these people are actually 'pros' who are complaining about it not being 'pro' enough. Is this 'pro' enough - http://www.newezra.com ?

 

[djellison]

UNLIKE ANYTHING ON THE MARKET

Yup - anything else would have more USB ports, a FW400 port as well, an SD card reader, a blu-ray drive, higher res screens AND a lower price tag.

But you keep cheerleading Apple's new machine if you like. I, for one, remain very disappointed.

 

[DoFoT9]

Realize that people who are giving negative comments are professionals. I never understood people who buy MBPs and just surf online, write Word documents and listen to music, there is MB for that.

MBP should satisfy graphics, audio and visual professionals with it's features. No graphic artist is fond of glossy screens, hard to calibrate, too vibrate colors mislead in false effects on canvas and reflections annoy them.

You may find MBP a bautiful design, and it really is a great looking alptop but Apple closed the gap between MB and MBP too much, denied professional's demands and did not deliver processor speeds and storage capacities that everyone hoped for. ( 3.06 Ghz X9100, 8GB max RAM and 500 GB HDD BTO options are not offered )

So, you may be all cocky and say that they are great and beautiful but people who actually use them do not think so.

i am by no means a professional user, however, i am only a uni student studying IT and know my way around a computer both inside and out.

the X9100 would have been a good choice to put in the MBPs, but there probably is a good reason for it (heat, price, knocking into the iMacs product range, power requirements etc).

i dont know if you have tried running a MBP with 8GB of RAM, but it aint pretty. yes it boots, but good luck doing ANYTHING with it.

there is a erason why apple introduced the "change your own HD" option, SO YOU CAN DO IT YOURSELF!! it looks simple to do, it is also going to be much much much cheaper as well, not to mention saving time and the hassle of dropping off/picking up your laptop.

the laptop looks pretty darn awsome IMO, some people have said that the black outline will interfere with their graphic designs, which is fair enough but it doesnt bother me.

(personal opinions)

Yup - anything else would have more USB ports, a FW400 port as well, an SD card reader, a blu-ray drive, higher res screens AND a lower price tag.

But you keep cheerleading Apple's new machine if you like. I, for one, remain very disappointed.

uh oh an SD card reader.....

are you even aware that you can't get 9.5mm drives yet? toshiba has promised them, they are yet to be produced... so you know goodluck with that.

a FW400 port would have been good, but you can get FW800 to FW400 'converter' cables.

an high-res screen might be overkill for the 15'" MBP, everything would look TINY!

i would also like a lower price tag, but have you looked at the price of the CPU, the two GPU's and the 1066mhz RAM?? its not very cheap!! i think it is a good deal overall, what basic computers can you find with specs like that??

 

[zer0tails]

I feel really bad for macbook pro users. It's been turned into a consumer laptop.

Let's put it this way, at one point in time, Apple survived thanks to the pro users who kept them afloat. So they made products that the pros would use happily.

Now with the whole iPod, iPhone and iMac thing. Apple doesn't need the pros no more. They cater to a different crowd.

There is no sense of loyalty in this business. It's about the money. The smart companies know though that whilst money is important, you have to keep your users and customers happy to a certain degree since they're the source of that money.

Pro users in Apple's opinion just don't warrant enough attention anymore because they can get by without them

Enough said.

 

[crom8i3]

when did apple start making sony laptops?!? apparently today....

 

[Mackan]

More negativity. Seems everyone forgets that Apple introduced another way of controlling the user, via the new Mini-DisplayPort. Note: it is not a DisplayPort... It's Apple's own invented port, and Apple controls how you can use it by providing converter adapters they like. Currently, Apple only provides converter to DVI... which we have had since stone age.

Users who want real full DisplayPort and HDMI which can carry audio and video combined, are screwed.

 

[Alchematron]

NO Built in 3G Antenna
NO Blu-Ray Drive
NO Silver Keys
NO Matte Screen
NO Hi Res Screen
YES Sharp Edges
YES Butt Ugly Bezel

Sorry Steve NO SALE

 

[MatLane]

Looks similar to my Toshiba Satellite



Who let Toshiba in the place





I still have mixed thoughts.

I'm going to wait till i trial one then make my decision, still might go for the older model.

 

[MatLane]

OK... I got one for you, since your talking about 'content and functionality'.

does it mean I'll have to waste money on a Mini DisplayPort to DVI Adapter just so i can use my Cintiq 21ux tablet to the new MacBookPro?? I personally don't see the logic in this mini-port - I can only imagine it's gonna disconnect when ever i move the tablet, since there's nothing to secure the connector once connected.

Also... I can only assume your not experienced when it comes to Pro-users, cause the difference between a Matte display and a Gloss is huge!! Imagine using your machine day in day out, and you see glare in your face, reflections from the room and environment where you work... wouldn't that annoy the hell outta you? Imagine the extra strain on your eyes too!

Yep, too true



I don't think there is anything more annoying with a notebook when your out somewhere and there that big nasty sun reflection!


Very smart laptops

Now have mirrors built in
bravo



;-(

 

[MatLane]

I still like the look of the old models


They still sell the 17' i noticed on the store

in the older model, with a little boost up


Obviously not upgrading the 17 inch yet

Wish i could afford that because i would probley have that instead

 

[paintballer]

I'm actually quite happy with it, and was very surprised to see the reaction here. But I am definitely not an artist, which explains my different viewpoint. I couldn't care less if I have "true" color, I prefer glossy because I'd rather have glare that I can see past, than diffused light that renders the display unviewable. But I wouldn't really mind the display going either way, since I'd be using it mainly for programming/pentesting, so I'm much more concerned about the performance issues. Like the better FSB and RAM. The more durable case is also a huge advantage. And, the most important thing for me is the keyboard, since I spend most of my time typing on it. I absolutely love the chiclet keys. I can type faster and more accurately with the chiclet style than with any other that I have used. I simply would not buy a MacBook Pro because of it's old keyboard style.

My only complaint is Apple's continuous use of various proprietary video output ports. I rather dislike the whole "Here's a useless port. Buy our extremely expensive display, or pay us $40 to make it useful" thing. And what makes it much more annoying is that I just paid that $40 for my current MacBook, and now I've got to pay it again, while I wait for their next rearrangement of the DVI port.

I don't mind the lack of Firewire 400, since I've never actually used Firewire, and it seems that Firewire won't last too much longer anyway, with USB 3.0 on it's way.

I'm glad that they didn't add Blu-ray, since, as far as I'm concerned, optical media is dead. I'd rather not have it bringing up the price and lowering the specs.

I've never given much care to display quality, besides resolution for increased working space, but, unless I'm missing something, shouldn't a properly calibrated glossy display be capable of "truer" color, since it doesn't diffuse the light nearly as much?

 

[DoFoT9]

I don't mind the lack of Firewire 400, since I've never actually used Firewire, and it seems that Firewire won't last too much longer anyway, with USB 3.0 on it's way.

im sorry, but i just have to point out how wrong you are!!

FW400 isnt going anywhere... it is used primarily by audio and video editors.. its not going anywhere fast.

 

[Shivetya]

Great, bite me.

The feature that turned me off complete, 1440x900.


GET REAL.


I have a five year old Dell with 1600x1200. I guess I could consider the price of a Dell 27" or 24" display in the price of my MBP if I were to buy one.

 

[Luis Ortega]

It looks like a step back to me.
Less functionality.
People who like it are probably buying into the style over substance mentality.
I'm glad I got my MBP before these came out. I don't think that they are worth it.

 

[aleksandra.]

Maybe someone can explain to me what all the negativity is all about. If you were to look at all the negative reviews, one would think the new MB and MBP are failures! Shake it off people and wake up. This is good stuff!

As you wish:

They are winners! Why are people so negative? All you can talk about is Matte display and lack of firewire on MB.

If only it was a matte display, and not lack of it.

What about all the good stuff? Beautiful overall design that goes with the iMac and MBA theme. Everyone seems to love those designs.

Simply ugly. Everyone seems to hate those designs...

... oh, so you love it? Maybe you should revise your opinion about "everyone". Many people surely would like it. Many would dislike it.

Superior unibody one piece construction unlike anything on the market. Fit and finish and details unlike anything we've seen. Glass multi-touch trackpad unlike anything on the market. Incredible video with powerful integrated and discrete GPUs...this will blow away any other laptop and a lot of desktops....again unlike anything on the market. User replaceable HD unlike anything on the market.

You mean coloring like Asus or HP, or graphics that many people seem disappointed with (I'm not, but that's only because I don't use it)? You have a point with touchpad, though I'm not saying whether it's a good or bad change until I try it.

Do we hear a common theme....UNLIKE ANYTHING ON THE MARKET

I for one think Apple did a great job! I have the SR MBP and am thinking of upgrading.

Kan-O-Z

I'm sure someone will be very happy to get your MBP instead of the new one.

 

[synth3tik]

I finally had to register after seeing this. I am a professional. I love the updates, including the glossy screen, and I'm purchasing my new MBP tomorrow. On top of it all this is the laptop I've been waiting for that I'm finally making the switch to Mac.

At the end of the day... the laptop is just a tool I use. Give me an 5 year old beater of a machine, and I can still produce the same level and quality of work - I just might run into frustrations of a slow machine.

I really wonder how many of these people are actually 'pros' who are complaining about it not being 'pro' enough. Is this 'pro' enough - http://www.newezra.com ?

I think people are kind of missing the point. To be totally honest if you don't want a glossy screen for whatever reason, you don't want it. Professional" or not. I am a "professional, but focus on music. I have not done much in the way of design over the past few years, a bit here and there, but on the "Professional" standpoint I do audio, and the glossy screen is still really annoying.

 

[Fogtripper]

I hate to sound like a grump, but the folks who are saying the new design nooks good must have thought the same about the psychedelic imacs as well.

 

[magallanes]

Yup - anything else would have more USB ports, a FW400 port as well, an SD card reader, a blu-ray drive, higher res screens AND a lower price tag.

But you keep cheerleading Apple's new machine if you like. I, for one, remain very disappointed.

2 usb are clearly insufficient :your ipod/iphone, mouse, camera, pendrive, portable hd or memory reader.

I hate to sound like a grump, but the folks who are saying the new design nooks good must have thought the same about the psychedelic imacs as well.

The problem with the "new" design is too Vaio.

 

[Boblister]

Can't you calibrate glossy screens to account for the saturated colors?

Does it matter. The people who are against the glossy display are dead against it and thats that. If its not the calibration it will be the reflections. I would have preferred a matt display, but hey ho, it didn't happen so I have got over it. I still prefer the new Mac Pro to my old 12" Powerbook G4.

I am not a professional photographer but a very serious amateur one. I wouldn't dream of doing serious editing involving colour correction on a laptop LCD display even if the badge on the laptop does have "pro" on it. I do minor editing on the laptop and the critical stuff on my Mac Pro at home on the 23" cinema display thats calibrated.