Ah, yes, the ad hominem. Well done - go there when you realize your argument was specious and shown to be such.
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Memory in New $1099 iMac is Soldered and Not Upgradable
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Ah, yes, the ad hominem. Well done - go there when you realize your argument was specious and shown to be such.
Except there are plenty of businesses or colleges or schools where that Dell box would be just fine for their needs too, just as this imac is "just fine" for those same low-use needs.
I really do not know how you guys even think Apple putting premium RAM on their Macs. I worked on a computer retailer before, I upgraded tons of iMacs, MacBooks, MacBook Pros and Mac Mini. One of them uses so called premium RAM, these are just the RAM you can buy from every computer store. Some Macs using Samsung RAM, some Macs using Kingston RAM. I really do not see what so premium about RAM.
Go to the Dell website and take a look at "equally nice" hardware, and it's nothing like "equally nice".
Yes, they do.. Down the road 2-3 years Johnny's Mom would be running out of internal space or want an upgrade such as a the ram. Nope you're $1100 desktop cant be upgraded Go buy a new one.
I remember memory failing because the dealer installed the wrong RAM into several Macs. The effect was that if you didn't touch your Mac for ten minutes, a few bits in memory would change (and I mean just a few), leading to all kind of interesting effects. Only if you didn't use the Mac, so a RAM tester program didn't find any fault.
Are you implying that people care about upgrading iMac parts?
Because NO ONE cares about upgrading iMacs.
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I've had 8GB systems for over a dozen years.
What makes you think anyone is ever going to want to upgrade their iMac to more than 8GB?
Maybe you have a mistaken idea of what people use iMacs for?
1-2GB is more than enough for iMacs, which are only used for web surfing and office apps.
Can you predict the future of software? Software tends use more ram over time not less..
I'm sitting at 4.1gb used right now with outlook and chrome open..
These days, people don't care about RAM since it's plenty anyways.
Nerds need to stop thinking consumers are stupid by over promoting RAM needs.
Consumers aren't stupid - they're not going to waste money on upgrading their RAM when 8GB is going to be enough for anything they ever do.
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Yes, you can predict memory use for the future, and 8GB is more than enough for the next 10 years.
That Dell has a 3YR onsite warranty, replaceable parts, and a windows 7 PRO + Win 8.1 Pro license. Not bad.
you mean when you realize your argument assuming you owned apple longer then i have been alive was complete ******** assuming how long someone has owned an apple is even of any importance here you have lost credibility on all counts.
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I would have loved to see this priced at $999. I could see this base model being used in schools. I always like to see systems that allow for RAM/Hard Drive upgrades but I'm not real disappointed that this is not upgradable. The real bottleneck will be the spinning hard drive. But an i5 CPU, 500GB HD, and 8GB's Ram are the perfect specs for the intended audience for this iMac.
The people that buy these computers don't know what RAM is anyways.
For those of us that do, we'll opt for the higher spec machine with user replaceable modules.
For those of us that do, we'll opt for the higher spec machine with user replaceable modules.
Just going to give my two cents on what I've been reading on this thread.
Personally, I hate non-upgradable computers. I've seen people say that they are against upgradable computers. I would like to see them enlighten me, what harm does a upgradable Mac have that makes you say that it shouldn't exist? What advantage do we get if it is non-upgradable? Thinner/Smaller form factor? The thing is very sexy as it is!
While most people don't upgrade their machines, there's no harm in having the option to do it. I have two Macs that I've upgraded the RAM over the years, allowing me to keep them running fine. And I plan on upgrading to SSD sometime soon, so I'm sure I'll get even better performance out of them.
On the other hand, I don't think that 8Gb RAM is too little. I've seen people say it's the adequate amount to run Mavericks...just yesterday I had Spotify, Chrome and Illustrator (getting some work done) running on my 2008, 4Gb iMac and it was running fine. Let me emphasize 2008 and 4Gb.
Sure, 8Gb probably won't be enough within 10 years, but for a regular 4-6 year cycle I think it might be enough, especially doing what most people do: email, browse the web and some "office" stuff.
Personally, I hate non-upgradable computers. I've seen people say that they are against upgradable computers. I would like to see them enlighten me, what harm does a upgradable Mac have that makes you say that it shouldn't exist? What advantage do we get if it is non-upgradable? Thinner/Smaller form factor? The thing is very sexy as it is!
While most people don't upgrade their machines, there's no harm in having the option to do it. I have two Macs that I've upgraded the RAM over the years, allowing me to keep them running fine. And I plan on upgrading to SSD sometime soon, so I'm sure I'll get even better performance out of them.
On the other hand, I don't think that 8Gb RAM is too little. I've seen people say it's the adequate amount to run Mavericks...just yesterday I had Spotify, Chrome and Illustrator (getting some work done) running on my 2008, 4Gb iMac and it was running fine. Let me emphasize 2008 and 4Gb.
Sure, 8Gb probably won't be enough within 10 years, but for a regular 4-6 year cycle I think it might be enough, especially doing what most people do: email, browse the web and some "office" stuff.
It's not really user replaceable on the higher spec 21.5" iMacs. It can be done but it's a very difficult job and needs a complete strip down to access the memory.
See step 18 on the iFixit guide.
Some interesting points pointed out in here about ram usage of systems.
if people can respond with screenshots of their RAM page of their OSx setups I would like to do some quick lookups
don't change whats open. Don't close things. I want to see how you operate in normal usage. I want to check a thoery of mine.
what i noticed with my own personal experience is that OSx Mavericks, was a much much larger memory footprint, and used up a lot more memory than Lion, some linux installs as well as Windows 7 and 8.
Which seemed very odd to me, considering they were touting that OSx Mavericks was supposed to be better on memory.
now with lots of people in here saying "4gb isn't enough for low end usage", I want to quantify that. Cause up till Mavericks, 4GB for your average user should have been more than enough for your basic web and office work.
Heck, I've only got 4gb on my win7 work workstation, and 90% of the time, I never come close to saturating that.... except when I need test VM's... but thats a different story all together.
if people can respond with screenshots of their RAM page of their OSx setups I would like to do some quick lookups
don't change whats open. Don't close things. I want to see how you operate in normal usage. I want to check a thoery of mine.
what i noticed with my own personal experience is that OSx Mavericks, was a much much larger memory footprint, and used up a lot more memory than Lion, some linux installs as well as Windows 7 and 8.
Which seemed very odd to me, considering they were touting that OSx Mavericks was supposed to be better on memory.
now with lots of people in here saying "4gb isn't enough for low end usage", I want to quantify that. Cause up till Mavericks, 4GB for your average user should have been more than enough for your basic web and office work.
Heck, I've only got 4gb on my win7 work workstation, and 90% of the time, I never come close to saturating that.... except when I need test VM's... but thats a different story all together.
$799 machine. If that.
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It's designed that way. Mavericks is intended to use all the memory that's available, so it does use more than other OS versions instead of just letting extra memory just sit there unused. Using memory shouldn't be a problem, only if the machine is running out of memory and doing a lot of swapping.
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It's designed that way. Mavericks is intended to use all the memory that's available, so it does use more than other OS versions instead of just letting extra memory just sit there unused. Using memory shouldn't be a problem, only if the machine is running out of memory and doing a lot of swapping.