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ViViDboarder said:
Well that's rude. I wasn't arguing that anyone was building on anything. I was pointing out that arguing as such (like Sense UI being bad because it's "on top of" Android) is pointless. It seems like you got that point just fine.

My point is that it integrates into the low-level of the OS. It's not just a skin that loads up on top of the Android UI. It's actually an alternative. Much like using Ubuntu Linux and running either KDE or Gnome. It's not a downside.

It's a UI over an OS. iPhone OS is the same. It's a UI over an OS. It was a stretch to say Darwin, but you get the point.

Also, what does this have to do with specs at all? Totally irrelevant. Great deductive skills you have. Way to resort to childish flames.
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Asking what it has to do with specs when you questioned if I knew what an OS was? I was addressing the mis-direction.

Having a discussion with you is pointless and circular. You have yet to address the spec point and your argument is flawed - you state Android's OS is polished yet point to the 3rd party overlays which in no way are the same thing as different flavors of linux. Windows Media Center would probably be a better comparison when running it on W7/WMC.

I'm genuinely sorry if my comments come off as rude, but your belief on Android's OS, in its current state, is solid is simply not true. Especially when you look towards HTC to "refine it..." Perhaps in a year or so. It's usable but very buggy as well.
 
Wow, I can't believe this thread is still alive! I have been lurking on this web site for a long time and finally decided to join to give my 2 cents on this thread!

First of all, I'm glad you love your DROID! Personally, I don't care what phone you have..... We all have prefrences and personally, I like the iphone for many different reasons. I mean, what are you trying to accomplish with this thread? Are you trying to start a phone war?????? Grow up man, the fact of the matter is they are PHONES! Enjoy what you have and be happy. Don't criticize people for being upset at you! You are in a IPHONE FORUM! Why would you expect anything different.

Every phone has great features and features we wish it had! In the end, it's what works best for you.... For all the people that hate iphones and love droids, more power to ya, I however can't wait for June when the new iphone is released!!!!!!
 
ViViDboarder said:
Ironically... They do care... Post 150 here.
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People like to feed the Trolls I guess :D
You wouldnt see me go to an android or blackberry forum and try to tell them that the iphone is better. I got better things to do with my time unlike you and many others in this thread. This is the iphone section again.
You want to talk about other phones and try to put down the iphone go some place else where people might agree with you.
 
Pared said:
Asking what it has to do with specs when you questioned if I knew what an OS was? I was addressing the mis-direction.

Having a discussion with you is pointless and circular. You have yet to address the spec point and your argument is flawed - you state Android's OS is polished yet point to the 3rd party overlays which in no way are the same thing as different flavors of linux. Windows Media Center would probably be a better comparison when running it on W7/WMC.

I'm genuinely sorry if my comments come off as rude, but your belief on Android's OS, in its current state, is solid is simply not true. Especially when you look towards HTC to "refine it..." Perhaps in a year or so. It's usable but very buggy as well.
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The OS comment was obviously regarding your comment to about the OS's polish. Not the specs.

I'm not sure what spec question you meant for me to address... The only time I mentioned it was when I said it's obvious that people here and other Mac users DO care about specs. It's naive to say that nobody cares. If that was true you'd stay on the iPhone 2G.

Also, you're way off based with the OS statements. The Sense UI does not run on top of the Android UI. With WMC the UI goes OVER the Windows UI. With Gnome on Ubuntu, Gnome runs as the ONLY UI. Same with Sense. That is all. You're just way off based insinuating that Sense can't be as good because it's a "modified" UI.

As stated by others... It's a preference. You are happy with the iPhone. I'm bored of it. The only difference is that I don't completely discount the other option. I'm not scared of open source. I'm not scared of a Linux kernal or a 3rd party UI. I'll give any device a fair shake. I honestly can't wait to see the next iPhone. That'll be when I really know what device to buy.
 
Applejuiced said:
You wouldnt see me go to an android or blackberry forum and try to tell them that the iphone is better.
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I'm a member of a few Android forums (iPhone owner though) and I have to say its surprising how rare iTrolls are on there. They troll amongst themselves instead.
 
boss.king said:
I'm a member of a few Android forums (iPhone owner though) and I have to say its surprising how rare iTrolls are on there. They troll amongst themselves instead.
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I'm an android user but a mac guy. I don't know where you've been, but there's been an increase in those iTrolls especially when a new android phone is released, about the same that occur here from other platforms. Surely less than here after a new phone is released, but it's quite prevalent and annoying. But you are right, even within the Android ecosystem there are trolls amongst each other, far more than anything I've seen here. Some people just need other people to validate their opinions. I can't believe this thread is still ongoing. But everyone should expect these from now on. iphone HD vs. EVO. iPhone vs. N2, vs Droid 2, vs. blah blah blah.....the same threads show up on android forums and will continue to, just mixed up. Cuz this is serious business to some :rolleyes:
 
kenypowa said:
and




Which one is true?? ;)
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The physical design and specifications are amazing. The device feels great in the hand, better than an iPhone. However, the Android OS feels Ike a beta OS, and for that reason I can never take another Android phone seriously until there is a massive update for stability.
 
ViViDboarder said:
You are happy with the iPhone. I'm bored of it. The only difference is that I don't completely discount the other option. I'm not scared of open source. I'm not scared of a Linux kernal or a 3rd party UI. I'll give any device a fair shake. I honestly can't wait to see the next iPhone. That'll be when I really know what device to buy.
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I thought the exact same thing you do now, only a month or so ago. I'm note scared of linux kernal or open source. I'll give any device a fair shake, and I did. Regret it. I'd pay $700 for a full price iPhone if it came to it to get out of this damn Nexus One. Yes, I hate it that much, and I wanted to like it. I sold my 3GS for it!
 
Badandy said:
I thought the exact same thing you do now, only a month or so ago. I'm note scared of linux kernal or open source. I'll give any device a fair shake, and I did. Regret it. I'd pay $700 for a full price iPhone if it came to it to get out of this damn Nexus One. Yes, I hate it that much, and I wanted to like it. I sold my 3GS for it!
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Oh man. Well I'm really glad I didn't end up buying it then! I was close but decided I should at least wait to see the next iPhone.
 
MassiveAttack said:
When the iphone was first released it had numerous issues as well lets not forget to mention that.
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So did android.

Oh wait apple came first.

If it wasn't for the iPhone android would have probally not been released.

Stop bragging it's a freaking year old phone vs a 2 month old phone.
 
ethan028 said:
So did android.

Oh wait apple came first.

If it wasn't for the iPhone android would have probally not been released.

Stop bragging it's a freaking year old phone vs a 2 month old phone.
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Yea, MassiveAttack is not good at forming arguments. Most systems have had their shortfalls when released. The important thing is how quickly they get fixed. Both companies are doing pretty well at addressing thing though.

The only thing Apple never really addressed is allowing modifications of the core functionality of the phone (themes, and low level reason why people jailbreak), but you can't really blame them. That's not part of the vision of the OS or their business model.

In my opinion that is why Google created Android. I think if the iPhone allowed this Google would not have even bothered to create Android. The only reason it's here is to be a free alternative in the market to avoid having the entire market dominated and controlled by one company, which can be very dangerous for consumers.

Oh, and for the record... The 3Gs is still Apple's flagship phone (for now), so I get why they are comparing the two and that makes sense... But it's not a big deal. Despite the 3Gs being the best iPhone available it's STILL almost year old tech! I find it rather embarrassing that the Incredible only won because it's on Verizon and not At&t.
 
Hey Vivid did you hear about the portable app engine that is coming in Froyo?

Portable App Engine

Using the new Portable App Engine, Android will now be able to run Palm Pre and iPhone applications using a virtual machine.

While the Pre only has about 2,000 applications, Apple’s iPhone is currently the industry leader with 150,000+. iPhone’s best games are very desirable to non-iPhone owners, for example, as they generally offer superior graphics and level of gameplay, that is, until Froyo comes out.

Portable App Engine is a "20%" project started by 2 Google engineers – Joseph Smarr and Ikai Lan – and got its name from Google’s flagship App Engine.

Google is notorious for allowing their engineers to work 20% of their time (1 day a week) developing their own ideas and releasing the most ingenious ones to the public. For example, Gmail, Google News, Orkut, Google Talk, and Google Sky Map were all "20%" projects
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Kind of takes the steam out of the app store app count. NICE!
 
corriewf said:
Hey Vivid did you hear about the portable app engine that is coming in Froyo?



Kind of takes the steam out of the app store app count. NICE!
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You did see that was posted on April 1st...

http://androidheadlines.com/2010/04/new-features-of-android-os-froyo-leaked.html

:p

That would be crazy if it was true! The problem is a Virtual Machine would require a copy of the OS. Unless there was some way to install iPhone OS on a virtual machine that's not happening. :)

EDIT: There is ONE phone that can run both Android and iPhone apps... And it's the iPhone. http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/LinuxOnTheIphone/~3/fBWLIMYEX0A/android-on-iphone-3g.html

Best of both worlds, eh?
 
corriewf said:
That's what people thought.... But it is real. http://mobi-solutions.blogspot.com/
What wasn't real was the leaked Alpha file.
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I still doubt it for the reasons I mentioned above... But we'll see. Froyo is supposed to come out later this month.

The guy in that article said he saw it on someone elses email... Maybe they were emailed the April fools joke. The guy was apparently a "Big Guy" and I'm guessing someone at Google. I could see that being a very funny joke to send to friends within Google to laugh about.
 
ViViDboarder said:
I still doubt it for the reasons I mentioned above... But we'll see. Froyo is supposed to come out later this month.

The guy in that article said he saw it on someone elses email... Maybe they were emailed the April fools joke. The guy was apparently a "Big Guy" and I'm guessing someone at Google. I could see that being a very funny joke to send to friends within Google to laugh about.
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Yeah I thought about that too. Either way with or without the feature, I think froyo is going to be good stuff.


Hey Vivid, since you are probably more techie than me, isn't the iPhone and Android OS built using a very similar background? I know they are totally different and all, but related right?
 
corriewf said:
Yeah I thought about that too. Either way with or without the feature, I think froyo is going to be good stuff.


Hey Vivid, since you are probably more techie than me, isn't the iPhone and Android OS built using a very similar background? I know they are totally different and all, but related right?
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Not really... They are both *nix based but I wouldn't really call them similar. It would probably be possible to recompile things to work in either OS, but not without rewriting code to properly implement the API's of either Android or iPhone OS.

Froyo will definitely be good for Android devices. The better it gets the more it'll push Apple to step things up to stay tech leader. Only good for consumers. :D
 
ViViDboarder said:
I'm not sure what spec question you meant for me to address... The only time I mentioned it was when I said it's obvious that people here and other Mac users DO care about specs. It's naive to say that nobody cares. If that was true you'd stay on the iPhone 2G.
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I'm on an iPhone 3G, which is pretty much on par with the 2G. And there are plenty of individuals who still have 2G's and 3G's.

So there goes that argument.

And the problem is while you think nobody cares, the difference is that people care somewhat but prefer the entire package to offer what they want. Not just processor speed, screen size, etc. Sum > parts. Just over your head and I won't waste both our time anymore.

I sincerely hope the iPhone is slightly behind spec-wise so you can finally move on to greener pastures and quit complaining in this and other forums.
 
VenusianSky said:
:eek: WOW! Now that is INCREDIBLE!
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In both cases the iphone lost on 2 things

1) AT&Ts network
2) lack of multitasking

Item 2 is addressed in a month or so.

On AT&Ts network we find ourselves stuck but recent data has shown people don't care; they don't churn off of AT&T because of...the iPhone.

Congrats to HTC; let's see how it fairs when iPhone HD is announced next month.
 
Pared said:
II sincerely hope the iPhone is slightly behind spec-wise so you can finally move on to greener pastures and quit complaining in this and other forums.
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If apple plays it safe and provides a phone that is behind android phones again. Others will move on to greener pastures.

The biggest mistake apple can make is playing it safe right now. android based phones are coming out faster and more advanced then apple's.
 
Pared said:
I'm on an iPhone 3G, which is pretty much on par with the 2G. And there are plenty of individuals who still have 2G's and 3G's.

So there goes that argument.

And the problem is while you think nobody cares, the difference is that people care somewhat but prefer the entire package to offer what they want. Not just processor speed, screen size, etc. Sum > parts. Just over your head and I won't waste both our time anymore.

I sincerely hope the iPhone is slightly behind spec-wise so you can finally move on to greener pastures and quit complaining in this and other forums.
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There's a lot of people addicted to meth too.... It must be good stuff huh?

A lot of people to YOU doesn't negate the sales of the 3GS and all of the LOT that upgraded.
 
They should rename the forums to MacdroidRumors with the rate of android threads going on.
 
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