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Merom Laptops Delayed Until 2007?
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matttrick said:
So then why quote the entire post?
Forum conversations are public conversations, and an explanation of one thing followed by a total non-sequitur made no sense and essentially had nothing to do with what was being discussed.
That's hardly "concerned with my own opinion" -- more concerned about reasonable posting practices.
I guess I should know better, given it's the internet...
Just ordered mine 5 minutes ago. couldnt wait any longer...HecubusPro said:Okay, let's get the support group together. Let's go through the 12 steps. Who needs a sponsor?
I'm really tempted to go out and just get my MBP, but I will wait until the 26th for Photokina. I knew I was going to be disappointed today, but it still irks me a little.More patience. More patience.
So does this mean no merom laptop till 2007.....? (still without a computer into the first month of school)
(still without a computer into the first month of school)
Andrew F said:
Right. I guess Woodcrest in the Mac Pro was way overdue also? Merom is also already in the iMacs. If you are basing your comments on lack of Merom in the mobile line, yes- it is slightly overdue. However, I think you are somewhat ignorant of the engineering challenges posed by fitting a powerful chip into a very small space. To say that Apple "can't keep up" due to very formidable engineering challenges is fairly crass, in my opinion.
Putting in a new chip that fits and doesnt generate more heat doesnt seem to be that formidable an engineering challenge to me.. Well, I wouldn't know, I'm no engineer, but I do know that other manufacturers have managed to do it, and I know (Or heard from many sources), that Apple has had these chips for some time now. It's not like they got them when Intel officially launched them..miles01110 said:
miles01110 said:
I am ignorant of the engineering challenges. I have no clue what it takes to design a computer. But, if Apple didn't want the responsibility of having to overcome those challenges in a quick fashion, they would not be using Intel. Apple opened up a can of worms by switching to Intel and creating Boot Camp. Not only can consumers compare numbers now, but they can load windows onto the Mac and do a side by side comparison. I am going to be a switcher, so I am coming from a point of view that when something new comes out, it is utilized right away. Especially with the premium cost of an Apple. Apple is supposed to be the BMW of the computer industry. They portray the idea that they are ahead of everyone else, innovative, and have awesome performance. If I just wanted a Cadillac that looked good and went fast in a straight line, but lacked handling and awesome features, I would save some money on a Dell. Also, my comments were directed at the mobile market, I will agree Apple seems to do quite well in the desktop market and are on the ball there. Unfortunately, having a good desktop market does jack squat for their mobile market that is using recently outdated processors and does have a few quality issues.
rtharper said:
the iMacs have C2D chips, and they're shipping, I believe. Other manufacturers are still, for the most part, citing mid to end of the month as ship times for their own C2D laptops.
miles01110 said:
Well I am an engineer and first of I will Guarntee you that they are not being delayed because of "engineering challenges". They have teams of engineers working on those case layouts for a loooong time before your eyes will ever see them, Ill tell you that. I dont know whats their problem anymore...this conference mad me mad. This was going to be my first Mac but Apple is letting me down big time right now. I will continue my wait only because I dont need a new computer at this very instant...but I am not happy.
i think the best thing to do now will be to wait for a couple of weeks like till the end of september and buying a MBP then....
i just sold my dell laptop in anticipation of the new MBPs yesterday.......but i am disappointed after today.....
but the good thing to come out of it is "good riddens".....
p.s: i am still using an ugly dell laptop running shameless windows 2000 given by my employer!
i just sold my dell laptop in anticipation of the new MBPs yesterday.......but i am disappointed after today.....
but the good thing to come out of it is "good riddens".....
p.s: i am still using an ugly dell laptop running shameless windows 2000 given by my employer!
i waited today for the MBP update, i feel i cant wait any longer, wtf Steve???
how much longer must we all wait!!!!
how much longer must we all wait!!!!
Ed H said:
I've no idea where you got this idea, but it's flat out wrong.
Dropping Merom in the current systems gains you roughly a 10-20% speed increase on most operations, EMT64 mode, around the same battery life and temperatures. SIMD ops gain up to 50%.
i945 -- the chipset used -- was NOT designed for 32bit-only. It supports the existing Netburst line too (same bus), almost all of which offer the EMT64 (64bit operation mode).
The advantages of EMT64 are primarily about addressable memory size which matters in a laptop only as far as being able to have VM go beyond 4gig), wider registers and more registers -- all of which are primarily CPU-specific. The memory data path has been 64bit since the original Pentium, I believe, and it's dual-channel 64bit on most recent processors.
The advantages Santa Rosa brings to the table are faster FSB (667->800, which will result in a negligable speedup of ~3% for most ops), 802.11n (maybe, up in the air since the draft wasn't ratified), and like the introdution of "Robson" technology, the onboard flashmem cache. Integrated graphics versions will include the new 3000-series DX10 compatible cores.
Napa64 (Merom, 945 and Intel's wifi) is not at all a "half-assed" platform.
miles01110 said:
What's formidable about a drop-in replacement? Merom is pin-compatible with Yonah, and physically no bigger.
The only vaguely plausible line of argument here could be that Intel increased the TDP by 3w, but few if any benchmarks are showing any significant increase. Some have even shown a decrease.
I've already seen a Sony C2D (T7200/2.0GHz) laptop in the wild and the others will soon follow.
If Apple don't manage to announce and ship within the next two weeks, I'd say it's true that Apple can't keep up.
Can't wait for the new Apple IIe update!
I'm very upset -- I thought that Steve would announce an update to the Apple IIe today. When are we going to see the all-new Apple IIe with 64KB of RAM? Where's the rumored 12-inch color CRT? And don't forget the 6502 8-bit chip with blazing-fast 1 MHz clock speed!!!
WHOA -- sorry -- had a flashback to 1983. Too many lattes today!
BTW I agree with all the hundreds of other posters -- I don't think Apple can sit on the fence too long with this. The MBP is considered a higher-end laptop, and other manufacturers are already beating Apple to the punch.
Example: my local electronic store is already selling Sony VAIO laptops with Core2Duo ... same with Dell, same with many others.
I'm sitting here, VISA card in hand, waiting for Apple to make the announcement ... until then, I'm going to sit tight.
I'm very upset -- I thought that Steve would announce an update to the Apple IIe today. When are we going to see the all-new Apple IIe with 64KB of RAM? Where's the rumored 12-inch color CRT? And don't forget the 6502 8-bit chip with blazing-fast 1 MHz clock speed!!!
WHOA -- sorry -- had a flashback to 1983. Too many lattes today!
BTW I agree with all the hundreds of other posters -- I don't think Apple can sit on the fence too long with this. The MBP is considered a higher-end laptop, and other manufacturers are already beating Apple to the punch.
Example: my local electronic store is already selling Sony VAIO laptops with Core2Duo ... same with Dell, same with many others.
I'm sitting here, VISA card in hand, waiting for Apple to make the announcement ... until then, I'm going to sit tight.
miles01110 said:
Considering Yonah -> Merom is just a chip swap (at least, from what I've read on the forums) this is not an engineering challenge. If anything, because of Merom's cooler temperatures at identical clock speeds, it's actually easier to have Merom than Yonah.
Andrew F said:
I definitely agree with this. It's almost laughable, but I'm one of the ones sitting on my credit card, waiting for Apple to get its act together.
I'm in high hopes for the next rev though. Being so slow, they had to have changed something more than just the processor and the latch. At the same time, if it comes out next week with nothing different but the magnetic latch and Merom, I am going to be very unhappy.
ZoomZoomZoom said:
I agree. I am hopeful they will include the MB specific swapable HDD--doesn't seem right that the Pro model wouldn't have a feature that the consumer model already has.
An updated graphics card would be a swell too. A 512MB NVIDIA GeForce Go 7900 GTX would be absolutely fantastic.
I'd pay for it anyway. Still, an x1800 or something comparable would be great as well. And since the 24" iMac uses an nVidia card, it's probable we'll see nVidia in MBP's as well.The magnetic latch would be nice too.
ergle2 said:
because i didnt feel like clipping out your one sentence. i still only addressed the one issue, not hard to figure that out. if you said you loved blue ipods and red ipods, and i said red ipods sucked, would you think i had issue with blue ipods? of course not.
Reach said:
I think computer and motherboard companies receive samples from the Intel and AMD well ahead of time, so when official launch for the chips so there will be products that will be able to use them.. otherwise it would take everyone months to get anything out to the public after the launch. I would guess that Apple have had sample chips for at least 4 months.