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Michael Jackson - Dead at 50 (Cardiac Arrest)

raggedjimmi said:
Do you have any actual evidence of this or is it all just assumptions you created from how he was portrayed in the media? If so why didn't you testify and get this evil person sent down?
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It goes a little beyond "portrayal". In the Bashir interview, he admitted to sleeping with other people's children in his bed, and there are tons of pictures of him hanging out with and fondling preteen boys.

Still... I'll give him the benefit of the doubt simply because he was so bizarre in everything he did and deviated from all human patterns 180 degrees, that there's reason to believe he was an equally bizarre child molester. Whatever activities a "normal" child molester (I realize the oxymoron here, but you know what I mean) might engage in, chances are that MJ did something abnormal, which in this case ironically might be having milk and cookies and watching Amos & Andy all night.
 
Michael was a sweet and delicate soul, a child that was overexposed while young and emotionally and physically abused, a talent like no other combining composing, singing, and performing, again like no one before or since him has done. You put him close to some other performer like "madonna" and she is utter trash. He was special and the world will be a much, much poorer place without him. I am convincing that his relationship with children was innocent, but if he was indecent may he be forgiven...for sure there were a lot of people who preyed on him and manipulated him. Imagine being him...ha...not an easy feat whatsoever.

It's sad to see him go so abruptly, so young, and just before a concert that would have been monumental.

Goodbye Jacko, you are peaceful now.
 
I do think he was a child molester that used his money to get away with it. I don't fully blame MJ though as I think his father is partly responsible for the person he became.
 
yg17 said:
I would say that about any child molester. The fact that he made music doesn't erase what he did with kids. He was a pedophile first and a musician second because there are some things that are just unforgivable. Good riddance to him, and good riddance to anyone else who touches children below the belt.
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I hope you have some proof he was a child molester, otherwise you are just a dope who believes anything in the news/tabloids. I'm going to call you or anyone on this. Post a fact here rather than your useless opinion on a well loved man who just passed. If you're wrong about him, then I hope you and everybody else that said it, burn in a same hell you wished for him. You seem to think you know more than the jurors who spent day after day for months listening to this case.

If you feel that way about him, then don't post here and poison the thread. Don't waste your time writing continuously about someone you dislike. It's not enough that he fought the charges and won the case. When he wins the case you blame the fact that LA courts don't convict celebrities, which is a ridiculous notion. The list is long of celebritieswho have been convicted of crimes.

The truth was that Michael Jackson was a big kid. When some people have to be an adult at a very young age, they have a tendency to try to spend a long time in the adult years trying to make up for the lost time. In Michael's case, he had so much money that and was so alone, that he never progressed further than the mindset of a child.

As for the charges, nobody on this forum has any proof so you're all BSing. Michael was never interested in sex. His brothers used to have sex with girls in the same as him on the road and he considered it rough an unappealing.

He was a tortured man and I hope he manages to get some peace.
 
The first molestation case was settled out of court, so that proves guilt to me.
 
str1f3 said:
I hope you have some proof he was a child molester,

snip.

He was a tortured man and I hope he manages to get some peace.
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Your working from the same media bullsh*t that we are dude, the chances are that you are as deluded as you claim we are, the real truth is that Jackson and his entourage manipulated the media and the public in pretty much any way they chose.

You speak like you knew him, you knew nothing about him that wasn't carefully filtered and designed.

The only common ground we have is the belief that he was deranged and that his fame killed him.

Please stop trying to stifle dissent and discussion.
 
MacNut said:
The first molestation case was settled out of court, so that proves guilt to me.
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Or he just wanted the allegations to be over. Money talks. It also has the ability to shut people up.

Frankly though, I can see your perspective. It looks shady. But it is not indicitive of guilt.
 
Unspoken Demise said:
Or he just wanted the allegations to be over. Money talks. It also has the ability to shut people up.

Frankly though, I can see your perspective. It looks shady. But it is not indicitive of guilt.
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$20,000,000 to make it go away? Guilty, guilty, guilty...!

You'll not make me believe he wouldn't have fought it if he'd been innocent...
 
Lot's of additional news today ...

So, it looks like Debbie Rowe will get two of his children as she never officially gave up her parental rights.

http://www.tmz.com/2009/06/26/debbi...ody-paris-michael-jr-death-overdose-children/

And LAPD is still looking for the so-called doctor that was at his side when the cardiac arrest happened.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/06/26/michael-jacksons-livein-d_n_221393.html

The family thinks he died because of an over-dose of Demerol.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/06/26/jackson-family-daily-deme_n_221385.html

It was interesting hearing all the celebrities including Cher, Smokey Robinson, Clive Davis, Tommy Mottola, etc come out and tell personal stories about him.

One of the strangest stories mentioned was Jackson's hiring of a witch doctor that had him bathe in cow blood to seal a curse on Steven Spielberg. :eek:

Allegedly, it's because Spielberg wouldn't let him play Peter Pan in what became the film Hook.

http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,428698,00.html
 
MacDawg said:
Michael Jackson the musician - I understand the admiration some have for him musically, but I do not share it.
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I feel pretty much the same way. He was very musically gifted and an amazing stage presence and dancer (look at his Motown 25th anniversary performance of Billie Jean and the audience reactions, and you'll see why), but most of what little music he managed to produce was bland, often pathetic (especially the retarded lyrics) and while he had some decent vocal chops, the material he had to work with (his voice) was poor. His tremolo was forced and the timbre of his voice was harsh, weak, dry and generally unpleasant... he sounded like a chainsmoking hermaphrodite on helium. This whole "greatest talent ever" misconception just makes me laugh. He was a good performer as a kid but he was certainly no Mozart. His dancing was spectacular and a few of his songs were really good, but his singing abilities aren't even in the top 1,000 of pop/soul history. Most of his songs were written by (or in collaboration with) others, and AFAIK he didn't play any instruments. Prince is a bigger multi-talent wonder than Jackson ever was.

I never rejoice in anyone's death, no matter how deplorable their life may have been. As John Donne wrote, "No man is an island, entire of itself...any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind; and therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; it tolls for thee." We all touch multiple lives. There are always family, friends, children, lovers, and more who are affected, and the loss of a loved one is traumatic. I am not talking about those who will suffer financial loss... but those who are suffering the loss of someone they truly loved.
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You know, I started contemplating what the fascination with his death is all about, given that there has been zero interest in his work in recent years, in fact not even much interest in his bizarre private life either after the molestation trial. So why does everyone care now? I think it might simply be that he finally did something human. He died. No longer an extra-terrestrial, a circus freak or a cartoon character, he's a corpse on a slab like any other.

He was not normal by any definition of the term. Celebrities live different lifestyles as we all know, but his life transcended all of that... even that of Howard Hughes and others. The whole Neverland fiasco, the bizarre masks, the surgeries (regardless of their legitimacy or not) and more smacks of a life that is unbalanced and troubled. While much of it was magnified by the media and microscope, he did nothing to mitigate it
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True. A lot of people seem to blame it on Jackson being surrounded by yes-men and enablers, but I think he was much more strong willed than his shy and soft spoken demeanor suggested. I think he always got what he wanted, and that he screamed like a spoiled child if someone got in his way. Yeah yeah so he didn't have a proper childhood, boo hoo, a lot of people didn't. It takes a flaming narcissist with delusions of grandeur to make such a big deal about it that the whole world should bend over backwards to compensate him for it.
 
WinterMute said:
Your working from the same media bullsh*t that we are dude, the chances are that you are as deluded as you claim we are, the real truth is that Jackson and his entourage manipulated the media and the public in pretty much any way they chose.

You speak like you knew him, you knew nothing about him that wasn't carefully filtered and designed.

The only common ground we have is the belief that he was deranged and that his fame killed him.

Please stop trying to stifle dissent and discussion.
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No I'm not using the same BS as you are. I am looking at a man who was acquitted of all charges. You're doing nothing but guessing and you're passing that garbage as fact.

No i dont't know him. Didn't say I did. But I'm taking my info from first hand interviews from relatives and his own interviews. They may have reason to lie but there is also no reason not to take them at face value. There is no reason not to take them at face value. Yes I know what it's like to be in his position as a child and having to be an adult. And yes when you are an adult you spend a good time of you're life trying to make up for lost time.

I never said he was deranged. Again annother insinuation from no evidence or proof.

This is a thread for mourners. If you want to piss on a deceased man before he was laid to rest with no proof, then go make another thread. You still have cited no proof.
 
I live in Westwood and around a 15 minute walk from UCLA, so I decided to take a walk last night to see the scene.

It was really weird- a big group of people singing and dancing to Jackson's music. It was a big party. People were selling t-shirts already. There was a guy in a pickup truck selling hot dogs, chips, and soda. News crews interviewing everybody. I even saw CTV there, which is a Canadian broadcaster.

I only stuck around for a few minutes and then decided that the newly opened Yogurtland in Westwood Village would be more interesting and tasty.
 
str1f3 said:
This is a thread for mourners. If you want to piss on a deceased man before he was laid to rest with no proof, then go make another thread. You still have cited no proof.
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Actually, it is not a thread for mourners. It is in fact a thread on a public discussion board, open to all opinions. Any attempt to make a new thread will be closed and redirected to this thread.

Woof, Woof - Dawg
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WinterMute said:
$20,000,000 to make it go away? Guilty, guilty, guilty...!

You'll not make me believe he wouldn't have fought it if he'd been innocent...
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If you had enough money, would you not make anything go away if you were annoyed? Also, get your facts straight if you're going to slander. It's $10 million.

Then when he decides to fight another accusation to clear his name and wins, you won't accept it. There is no winning with you. You will believe what you want with or without evidence.
 
str1f3 said:
This is a thread for mourners. If you want to piss on a deceased man before he was laid to rest with no proof, then go make another thread. You still have cited no proof.
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Sorry, this is a discussion thread in a current event s forum, it's open to everyone to post their thoughts and discuss what others say.

At no point has it been a thread to mourn Jackson, even if some of you wish to express those feelings. You'll notice that no-one is telling you to stop posting because they disagree with you.

As I said, there is no proof, only a reading of the same interviews and episodes that we all have access to.

Oh, and you can't slander or in this case libel a dead man.

edit after additional post: I fully accept that he was acquitted on the second set of charges, that is a matter of history. It doesn't stop me from believing the process was flawed however.
 
MacDawg said:
Actually, it is not a thread for mourners. It is in fact a thread on a public discussion board, open to all opinions. Any attempt to make a new thread will be closed and redirected to this thread.

Woof, Woof - Dawg
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Yeah and I'm still waiting for proof with legitimate sources. Woof.
 
No surprise he owns Top Albums and Music Videos at iTunes.


Strange, yesterday late in the afternoon I was working out and was wondering why they were just playing Michael Jackson tracks.

I then noticed some focused to the TV and it wasn't until the last 15 minutes I noticed myself when I saw the Breaking News... :eek: :(

RIP King of Pop!


I never paid attention to the drama, I don't even know how many children he has or if he's married, etc. Last night, when I was watching Headline News I learned most of this.
 
if you guys are gonna talk ****, do it some where else, he was never found guilty of anything.
 
Axl Rose said:
if you guys are gonna talk ****, do it some where else, he was never found guilty of anything.
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It is a technicality, but "never being found guilty of anything" is hardly equivalent to being innocent

But I have no dawg in this hunt... carry on with the discussion

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