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Why would you say that about someone who just died? Thats fairly disrespectful.

Read the thread, not everyone feels the same way about Jackson you clearly do, some people believe he was bang to rights on the child molestation charges, and that his fame and wealth bought him out of the rap, that alone is enough to inspire the above comment.

You believe otherwise I suspect, and that's just fine, but the current levels of hysteria surrounding his death are bound to draw a response from those of us who viewed him with suspicion and distaste.
 
The Michael Jackson of 1958-1986-ish may be sorely missed, but he was sorely missed long before the artist formerly known as Michael Jackson, or should I say the entity formerly known as the artist Michael Jackson, stopped breathing.
Interesting way to put it.

Agree.

I think that it is safe to assume that we identify events with music. For me it brings back good times.

The guy was a complete freak show in the end. Kiddie fiddler, out of touch of reality with a little insanity mixed in.

I'll miss the Michael Jackson I listened to as a kid. I won't miss the freak he became.
Well said.

Early MJ was good. :)

Just watched the Thriller music video. That was awesome for it's time and still is fun to watch.

Very talented individual until the mid 80's then things seemed to change.
 
Why would you say that about someone who just died? Thats fairly disrespectful.


I would say that about any child molester. The fact that he made music doesn't erase what he did with kids. He was a pedophile first and a musician second because there are some things that are just unforgivable. Good riddance to him, and good riddance to anyone else who touches children below the belt.
 
Read the thread, not everyone feels the same way about Jackson you clearly do, some people believe he was bang to rights on the child molestation charges, and that his fame and wealth bought him out of the rap, that alone is enough to inspire the above comment.

You believe otherwise I suspect, and that's just fine, but the current levels of hysteria surrounding his death are bound to draw a response from those of us who viewed him with suspicion and distaste.

In all honesty, I can't, and you can't and no one else can't make a comment on the allegations against him other than the potential children affected, Micheal Jackson, or God. Seriously. Inncocent until proven guilty. Now he is dead and God will decide his punishment or lack there of.

About a child molester, pervert, etc etc. Thats why i would say it.

So you can't say something positive about the artist that he was and the music he created? You do not know he was a child molester. You know how he was portrayed in the media and you have your speculations. He was never found guilty.

But I digress. Everyone has their opinion. He may or may not have been a pervert, child molester, etc. All we know for certain is that he was a giant influence on the music world, and as an artist, he should be respected.

Eh, end rant.
 
In all honesty, I can't, and you can't and no one else can't make a comment on the allegations against him other than the potential children affected, Micheal Jackson, or God. Seriously. Inncocent until proven guilty. Now he is dead and God will decide his punishment or lack there of.



So you can't say something positive about the artist that he was and the music he created? You do not know he was a child molester. You know how he was portrayed in the media and you have your speculations. He was never found guilty.

But I digress. Everyone has their opinion. He may or may not have been a pervert, child molester, etc. All we know for certain is that he was a giant influence on the music world, and as an artist, he should be respected.

Eh, end rant.

OJ was found not guilty (like most celebrities on trial in Hollywood) but when he dies, he'll be remembered as a killer and not a football star, and I will also remember MJ for the criminal he was. A jury may get starstruck and find it impossible to believe that one of their beloved celebrities can do no wrong despite overwhelming evidence against them, but I'm not like that. I think he's guilty and hope that if there's a hell, he's burning in it for the things he did to children.
 
I WAS AT HIS HOLLYWOOD STAR TONIGHT

You sure about that? I hard a news report that his star in covered under a red carpet at the opening of Bruno and people were leaving flowers at another Michael Jackson's star.
 
OJ was found not guilty (like most celebrities on trial in Hollywood) but when he dies, he'll be remembered as a killer and not a football star, and I will also remember MJ for the criminal he was. A jury may get starstruck and find it impossible to believe that one of their beloved celebrities can do no wrong despite overwhelming evidence against them, but I'm not like that. I think he's guilty and hope that if there's a hell, he's burning in it for the things he did to children.


This is very true. I'm not going to argue that point, thats why I said "may or may not." I wasnt there. I wouldnt know. I dont know about OJ either. I can have my suspicions, but I simply do not know one way or another.

If he did those things to children, I whole-heartedly agree with you. We may never know. But if he did do those horrible things to children, let God's wrath be swift and filled with justice.
 
In all honesty, I can't, and you can't and no one else can't make a comment on the allegations against him other than the potential children affected, Micheal Jackson, or God. Seriously. Inncocent until proven guilty. Now he is dead and God will decide his punishment or lack there of.

I'm an atheist, from my perspective, he got away with a heinous crime and was rewarded with the attention he craved.

I can comment on subjects that are in the public domain, and will continue to do so.

As for respecting him, I respect the legacy of his work, fading as it was, but I'll never respect a human so selfish and manipulative.
 
Well said, that's the music I've been listening to this morning.

The guy was a complete freak show in the end. Kiddie fiddler, out of touch of reality with a little insanity mixed in.

I'll miss the Michael Jackson I listened to as a kid. I won't miss the freak he became.

I guess we'll never know for sure about the kiddie fiddling stuff, but I always wondered... if it was just about hanging with kids, why were they always boys and never girls?

If you didn't know who MJ was and you saw this picture, what would your reaction be?

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You sure about that? I hard a news report that his star in covered under a red carpet at the opening of Bruno and people were leaving flowers at another Michael Jackson's star.

;)

I WAS AT HIS HOLLYWOOD STAR TONIGHT

^^^ Was it the correct star though apparently the Michael Jackson (the singer) star is at the moment covered up and people are gathered at Michael Jackson (the DJ ) star.

yes, though we had to wait until two am to get to it as bruno was premiering and it was covered by a red carpet and the street was blocked off:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:
 
I'm an atheist, from my perspective, he got away with a heinous crime and was rewarded with the attention he craved.

I can comment on subjects that are in the public domain, and will continue to do so.

As for respecting him, I respect the legacy of his work, fading as it was, but I'll never respect a human so selfish and manipulative.

With all due repect to your beliefs, he didn't get away with anything. His terrible reputation in his later years will always stick with him. Some will remember him as the artist some as the possible child molester. At least he wasnt a child molester that never got caught and the only real memory people have of him is positive. In that case, he would have gotten away with it.
 
I just bought the The Essential Michael Jackson from iTunes for $16.99! iTunes Plus really sounds clear and detailed! I remember owning Thriller back then Columbia really Remastered his tracks to high fidelity. He will be missed. :(
 
I guess we'll never know for sure about the kiddie fiddling stuff, but I always wondered... if it was just about hanging with kids, why were they always boys and never girls?

If you didn't know who MJ was and you saw this picture, what would your reaction be?


I'd say that he needs to take a seat right over there and have a talk with Chris Hansen from Dateline.

With all due repect to your beliefs, he didn't get away with anything. His terrible reputation in his later years will always stick with him. Some will remember him as the artist some as the possible child molester. At least he wasnt a child molester that never got caught and the only real memory people have of him is positive. In that case, he would have gotten away with it.

No, he got away with it. He didn't spend a day in jail for his crimes. If anyone else did what he did, they'd be spending the rest of their life in prison.
 
OJ was found not guilty (like most celebrities on trial in Hollywood) but when he dies, he'll be remembered as a killer and not a football star, and I will also remember MJ for the criminal he was. A jury may get starstruck and find it impossible to believe that one of their beloved celebrities can do no wrong despite overwhelming evidence against them, but I'm not like that. I think he's guilty and hope that if there's a hell, he's burning in it for the things he did to children.

Do you have any actual evidence of this or is it all just assumptions you created from how he was portrayed in the media? If so why didn't you testify and get this evil person sent down?

And as I said before (that you seemingly missed) OJ was probably a famous American Football player in, well, America. But outside of the states OJ was the murderer and bloke in that film.
But yea, the guys dead. Whats up with this hate campaign against him?
 
No, he got away with it. He didn't spend a day in jail for his crimes. If anyone else did what he did, they'd be spending the rest of their life in prison.
We are all innocent until proven guilty. MJ was not found guilty of any crime.

Granted we can all have our personal beliefs. Yes he settled out of court on some issues. However, legally speaking he was innocent.
 
The real tragedy here is his kids. Who knows how warped these poor kids are given they were raised by a freak. The fight over them and their money will last a long time.
 
We are all innocent until proven guilty. MJ was not found guilty of any crime.

Granted we can all have our personal beliefs. Yes he settled out of court on some issues. However, legally speaking he was innocent.

The law is an ass...;)

He played the system and he won, but his death was very normal in the end, the same ambulance and paramedics doing the same stuff that they'd do to you or me.

Part of the tragedy is that he could have been so much better in the last 10-15 years if he hadn't been barking....
 
Michael Jackson the musician - I understand the admiration some have for him musically, but I do not share it. I grew up with the Jackson 5 and watched his whole life progress. I was not a fan of his music or his style, although I admit he did have a huge influence on pop music... not for the better in my opinion. Watching his performances was comical to me.... the silly glove thing, the herky-jerky dance routines, the crotch grabbing and hip pumping, the 'moon-walk' and the short pants were all ridiculous to me... not "inspired genius". However, I respect the rights of others to view his musical contributions differently. I will also somewhat reluctantly agree that his life can be separated from his music for remembrance purposes. We all try to remember the good in others and bury the rest when someone passes, so I will not apply a different standard to MJ.

Michael Jackson the person - bizarre, eccentric, troubled, scary. He was not normal by any definition of the term. Celebrities live different lifestyles as we all know, but his life transcended all of that... even that of Howard Hughes and others. The whole Neverland fiasco, the bizarre masks, the surgeries (regardless of their legitimacy or not) and more smacks of a life that is unbalanced and troubled. While much of it was magnified by the media and microscope, he did nothing to mitigate it. Everything he did exacerbated it. He was odd.

Michael Jackson the [alleged] child molester - not sure how anyone can deny that there were issues here. To what extent may be debatable, but the fact remains, his relationship with little boys was not healthy, normal or natural. If he was indeed guilty of atrocities (and I believe he was), then he should have faced the harshest of punishment. Crimes against the weak, disenfranchised and young are deplorable. The fact that he never admitted any wrong doing is troubling to me. He should have taken responsibility for his actions and not just doled out money to cover up.

Michael Jackson the human being - I never rejoice in anyone's death, no matter how deplorable their life may have been. As John Donne wrote, "No man is an island, entire of itself...any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind; and therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; it tolls for thee." We all touch multiple lives. There are always family, friends, children, lovers, and more who are affected, and the loss of a loved one is traumatic. I am not talking about those who will suffer financial loss... but those who are suffering the loss of someone they truly loved. While I have no feelings at all for Michael Jackson, and I find much of his life despicable and his music irrelevant, I can in fact sympathize for those who truly loved him in spite of who he was and what he had become.

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We are all innocent until proven guilty. MJ was not found guilty of any crime.

Granted we can all have our personal beliefs. Yes he settled out of court on some issues. However, legally speaking he was innocent.

Yes, we all have our personal beliefs. There are a lot of convicted felons that many believe are truly innocent, and there are a lot of people acquitted of crimes that many people believe are truly guilty. My personal belief is that he's guilty and I will not respect him in life or death, because child molestors don't deserve anyone's respect, and each time a pedophile dies and can no longer harm children, the world becomes a slightly better place.
 
Do you have any actual evidence of this or is it all just assumptions you created from how he was portrayed in the media? If so why didn't you testify and get this evil person sent down?

And as I said before (that you seemingly missed) OJ was probably a famous American Football player in, well, America. But outside of the states OJ was the murderer and bloke in that film.
But yea, the guys dead. Whats up with this hate campaign against him?

Thank you for bringing this up. While I'm not advocating innocence or guilt, comparing it to the OJ case is ludicrous. In the case of OJ, it was clear that a crime was committed, it was a question of who. In this case, the question was whether or not any crime had been committed. To make the same jump of faith people do for OJ isn't enough.
 
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