Understand, but it is very hard to listen to.
Maybe play real music, fade to fan music, then back to real music at times that are appropriate for the flow of the video.
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Michael Jackson - Dead at 50 (Cardiac Arrest)
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Maybe play real music, fade to fan music, then back to real music at times that are appropriate for the flow of the video.
Agree with you.Fingernails on a chalkboard would've been better
It's a challenge to record outdoors in a natural environment.
I've been astonished at how interested I've been. I was never a fan of MJ but I do remember the first time I saw Thriller on MTV and I was spellbound.
The video clips of the Jackson 5 were also a trip back in time. All the news sources have been going on and on about how groundbreaking the group was in regards to black/white crossovers, etc. I don't remember them being anything other than very good and very entertaining. Fat Albert had more to do with being black than the Jackson 5 did.
He started with so much promise but got stuck in some kind of a time warp. I admire him for being himself but feel sorry for the caricature that he became.
As you said, RIP.
Sorry, but I really have to chuckle at this. I don't know how old you are, but I was 9 at the time the video came out, and I distinctly remember begging my mother to let me stay up until after The Tonight Show ended to watch Friday Night Videos on NBC, the night of Thriller's world premiere. The following day, my mother bought the vinyl (I still have it).
I don't think it had much to do with being black as it had to do with being brothers, being related, and the singer of the group being less than 10. At the time, I'd say that Michael was the youngest performer out there since Shirley Temple.
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When you look at his early stuff he was a real musical genius. Going ways no one had thought of before. Perhaps all genius' are a little eccentric, but he went downright batty in his later years. Anyway, a lot more accomplished life than I will ever have. RIP.
Although his greatest times were a few years before I became old enough to understand music, I distinctively remember the first song I ever heard as a child. It was Bad, on a casette. I loved that song from the first time I heard it.
Anyway, I would say that MJ is the Elvis of my generation. Rest in peace. Do a moonwalk.
Anyway, I would say that MJ is the Elvis of my generation. Rest in peace. Do a moonwalk.
Michael Jackson, he gave what he had two to three decades ago. His death is sad, though hardly tragic (that may sound a bit more harsh than I mean). People are remembering him for what he was, not what he is. When he was the big deal, he was so cool he was bad. Musicians are rarely ever that popular. So he did transcend to the highest levels of stardom, but some people are going nuts. I think I feel more empathy for Steve Jobs than I do Michael Jackson.
Problem is, his singing got progressively worse over the years.
When he sang stuff with the Jackson 5 in the early days, like on the Ed Sullivan show, he had amazing vocal chops and he was singing as soulfully as an adult man.
As he got older he lost most of that. His voice got harsh and unpleasant, yet still high pitched, and all the disgusting grunts and groans between the words took over more and more. He started thinking too much instead of letting the music just flow like when he was a kid. His singing got very controlled and uninspired, and being the perfectionist he was he pretty much refused to sing live. He was the first artist to do "inverted singback" where the band played live but the vocals were pre-recorded instead of the other way around. While Prince could just pick up a guitar and do this.
I find it a little troubling when people use extreme superlatives like "genius", "most talented artist in history" and "untouchable" to describe MJ. He wasn't any of those things. Prince, now there's a musical genius. He writes, performs and produces everything himself and can play any instrument he picks up. Amazingly productive (in stark contrast to the lazy Jackson), he could churn out more albums in a year than MJ did in his entire life. MJ could out-dance Prince, but couldn't touch any of his other talents.
Hmmm, Prince's problem is quality control, his output is stupendous, but he admits that half of it isn't what it should be.
That said, Prince has more funk in his perfectly manicured little finger that Jackson ever had, but Jackson understood how to incorporate stylistic difference more thoroughly.
Different beasts, difficult to compare. I didn't realise just what an astonishing musician Prince was till I saw him solo on "My guitar gently weeps" at the Harrison tribute concert, and then saw him at the O2. (The wife is a Prince fan too...)
I agree with your conclusion however, Prince is the more accomplished musician.
I agree with you, some terrific music and a very troubled, troubling human being.
Well said. I found myself playing some of the early Jackson Five stuff last night - what a predictable cliche, I know - but of its kind, it's excellent and I hadn't listened to it for ages.
Michael Jackson the musician - I understand the admiration some have for him musically, but I do not share it. I grew up with the Jackson 5 and watched his whole life progress. I was not a fan of his music or his style, although I admit he did have a huge influence on pop music... not for the better in my opinion. Watching his performances was comical to me.... the silly glove thing, the herky-jerky dance routines, the crotch grabbing and hip pumping, the 'moon-walk' and the short pants were all ridiculous to me... not "inspired genius". However, I respect the rights of others to view his musical contributions differently. I will also somewhat reluctantly agree that his life can be separated from his music for remembrance purposes. We all try to remember the good in others and bury the rest when someone passes, so I will not apply a different standard to MJ.
Michael Jackson the person - bizarre, eccentric, troubled, scary. He was not normal by any definition of the term. Celebrities live different lifestyles as we all know, but his life transcended all of that... even that of Howard Hughes and others. The whole Neverland fiasco, the bizarre masks, the surgeries (regardless of their legitimacy or not) and more smacks of a life that is unbalanced and troubled. While much of it was magnified by the media and microscope, he did nothing to mitigate it. Everything he did exacerbated it. He was odd.
Michael Jackson the [alleged] child molester - not sure how anyone can deny that there were issues here. To what extent may be debatable, but the fact remains, his relationship with little boys was not healthy, normal or natural. If he was indeed guilty of atrocities (and I believe he was), then he should have faced the harshest of punishment. Crimes against the weak, disenfranchised and young are deplorable. The fact that he never admitted any wrong doing is troubling to me. He should have taken responsibility for his actions and not just doled out money to cover up.
Michael Jackson the human being - I never rejoice in anyone's death, no matter how deplorable their life may have been. As John Donne wrote, "No man is an island, entire of itself...any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind; and therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; it tolls for thee." We all touch multiple lives. There are always family, friends, children, lovers, and more who are affected, and the loss of a loved one is traumatic. I am not talking about those who will suffer financial loss... but those who are suffering the loss of someone they truly loved. While I have no feelings at all for Michael Jackson, and I find much of his life despicable and his music irrelevant, I can in fact sympathize for those who truly loved him in spite of who he was and what he had become.
Woof, Woof - Dawg
An excellent and fair-minded post, Dawg and I agree with you.
Interesting and while disturbing, not really at that surprising.
Cheers
Why is it frustrating for you? THEY have to wait, not YOU or ME. WE get to go on with life.
Me? I'm not frustrated at all. I just thought it was funny because it was classic Jacksons and their combination of no education, too much money and a foolish belief that they can buy anything.
Toxicology analyses are typically done by a state toxicology lab, who usually handle tens and thousands of those every year. It takes weeks because there's a huge backlog. A second autopsy won't make the analysis happen any faster, but the Jacksons are probably so stupid they think the inconclusive results of the first autopsy was a result of incompetence... oh well, let them keep demanding more autopsies, they'll be up to 30 or so before the toxicology report from the first one arrives.
I agree that ordering another one won't make the first one arrive any faster but they probably figured that they're waiting six weeks either way, why not get two. Might sound silly but a second report won't hurt and it's not like they're the first to request for a second. David Carradine's family requested a second one also. There was also a second one done on Anna Nicole Smith (and her son). It's not that unusual of a request when you really think about it. Happens a lot.
The Jackson family probably feel (right or wrong) like they need to dot all their I's and cross their T's. Hopefully it won't, but this could potentially get messy and become a court case against his doctor if they find something iffy. This type of request might help them. If the first autopsy report was always correct, there'd be no need for attorneys and law enforcement to request a second one at any time in any situation. Mistakes happen. Stupid, uneducated, rich, or whatever you or anyone (including me) want to call them, his family deserves to know what caused his death. If it does nothing but confirm the first one, so be it.
With all the work Jacko has has over the years I would not be surprised if we never figure out what was wrong with him. We will be lucky to just learn if he was human.
I want to know what was inconclusive, according to these reports it says he is a black man, But he looks like a white woman. Do the test again.
With all the work Jacko has has over the years I would not be surprised if we never figure out what was wrong with him. We will be lucky to just learn if he was human.
I want to know what was inconclusive, according to these reports it says he is a black man, I thought he was a white woman.
It might answer a lot of questions if we found out he wasn't human
Woof, Woof - Dawg
With all the work Jacko has has over the years I would not be surprised if we never figure out what was wrong with him. We will be lucky to just learn if he was human.
I think the world would be surprised to learn he died of natural causes. For the last 20 years there's little that's been natural about him.
He's the best selling musician of all time, of course he's addicted to drugs. It goes with the territory.
The family is probably doing the second autopsy for legal reasons. MJ's brand is all that matters now. A lot of money is riding on his name. The family would be amiss to not have a second autopsy done.
