Become a MacRumors Supporter for $50/year with no ads, ability to filter front page stories, and private forums.
TMZ says the Sun story is no more than a fairytale. British tabloids like The Sun, Daily Mirror and News of the World make the National Enquirer look like the Washington Post.

I don't think so. La Vanguardia in Spain is also reporting it.
So are Aftonbladet and Expressen in Sweden. Their source? The Sun.

When stories like these come along, otherwise prestigious international newspapers will quote any seedy rag for truth in the hope that their readers aren't familiar with these tabloids and their reputations.

When Michael Jackson is involved, no media outlet is safe... CNN totally bought that Brian Oxman was the family lawyer, when in fact he's had nothing to do with the Jacksons for years. Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton, bereft of purpose after the US got a black president, jumped on the opportunity like hyenas and proclaimed themselves Michael Jackson spokesmen, oracles, experts and authorities. The whole thing is just one giant vulture circus.
 
The head of AEG said today that MJ had given a stupendous song and dance performance just in rehearsals on the day he died, stunning the technicians and engineers who were the only audience. There's a load of bollox being reported here.
 
The head of AEG said today that MJ had given a stupendous song and dance performance just in rehearsals on the day he died, stunning the technicians and engineers who were the only audience. There's a load of bollox being reported here.
Yeah, and the pictures published from the last rehearsal (TMZ has 4 of them) indicate that he was in OK shape. He looks thinner than usual, but his face looks much healthier than it has for several years. He hasn't looked this happy...

0629_mj_rehearsal_0001_Layer_3_full.jpg


...since the 1990's.

Contrary to popular belief I think he was well prepared for these shows and that he wanted to end his career with a bang. He passed rigorous physical exams, enough for the insurance company to greenlight the 50-show run. These UK tabloid stories are just utter nonsense. News of the World claims to have an exclusive interview with Debbie Rowe where she says some pretty far out things, but Debbie has gone underground for the time being -- why on earth would she do an exclusive with the worst tabloid in existence, let alone a UK based one? Whatever they would've offered her, Larry King would've multiplied it by 10. Bollox indeed.
 
Caught them photos in the paper today... If only they were released years ago. Indeed he does look much more human and "real". Maybe if they were out the media wouldn't have peddled this image of him being anything but real.
 
Caught them photos in the paper today... If only they were released years ago. Indeed he does look much more human and "real". Maybe if they were out the media wouldn't have peddled this image of him being anything but real.
Well, for starters he didn't want the kids to be seen, so all the media had was a bunch of images of kids with their heads wrapped in eerie purple see-thru fabric. It didn't exactly underscore his humanity.

I find it extremely hard to believe that the daughter is related to him. I see 50% Debbie Rowe and 0% Michael Jackson there.
 
Once again, TMZ is all over this:

According to their sources,

- Debbie Rowe was only a surrogate, and is not the biological mother of Jackson's first two children
- Michael Jackson is not the biological father of any of the three children
- Jackson didn't legally adopt any of the three children either

Additionally, the Wall Street Journal came out with an article that states that despite Joe Jackson's claim over the weekend that no will exists, Jackson did have an updated will as of 2002 that leaves everything to his three children and his mother, Katherine. His former lawyer plans to deliver the will to the probate court within 30 days.
 
I find it extremely hard to believe that the daughter is related to him. I see 50% Debbie Rowe and 0% Michael Jackson there.

I find it hard to believe any of the children are related to him.

His children (all 3) do not look like the product of a first generation mix of African American and white American parents. I have always been surprised that there has been very little mention of this prior to MJ’s death. I always suspected that his money might have paid for a bit of Gene Therapy.

I noticed that the UK Tabloids headlines are saying that the real father is a Mafia ‘pal’. Well, as ridiculous as the headline sounds, it is not as ridiculous to me as a couple with the prescribed cultural heritage having completely ‘white’ looking children.

That is not to say it cannot happen, because it can, but I have to doubt the frequency in these cases. It would require the natural selection processes involved when children (especially) of mixed origin are created to have rejected all the physical traits of the African American Parent. I am unable to concede that this rejection / alternate selection happened during 3 separate processes.

Maybe people forget what MJ really looked like before bleaching his skin white, if they were Jermaine’s children people, would have asked more questions.

You can bleach your skin but not your DNA.
 
I do agree... that maybe the kids arent his biologically.

But he didnt bleach his skin, and never has done.

He had a desease, that killed pigment in his skin.

He was getting more pale as it got worse over the years.
 
Interesting piece at the BBC: Interviewing a photographer that had been documenting the rehearsals.


Renowned rock photographer Kevin Mazur was at Michael Jackson's final tour rehearsal in Los Angeles last week.

Several images from the practice runs have now been released, showing the star dancing and smiling against large neon letters reading "This Is It".

Mazur, who first took pictures of Jackson during the 1984 Victory tour, told the BBC about the "magical" show that was being prepared before the entertainer's untimely death on Friday.

_45993578_jacko_long.jpg


How much of the rehearsal did you see?
I was there for a couple of days. I was there on the first day when they built the stage, and I took photographs of the dancers and the back-up singers for the tour book. Then, the next day I was taking casual shots of the band and the dancers rehearsing when Michael arrived.

I was like an expectant father waiting for him to take to the stage, I was so excited. And when he came out, I was even more excited because Michael was back.

He was happy, he was energetic, he was full of life. I had such an adrenaline rush. It was like the first time I had photographed him, when he moonwalked.

People were saying he wasn't ready, and the first shows had been pushed back because of his health. Did you see any evidence of that?
A photo tells a story. Michael was physically fit and performing the same way that I photographed him through the years. You can look at the photos. I documented it, I was there.

So how did you feel when, four days later, you were told he had died?
I was so shocked, because from what I saw on Tuesday night, he was full of energy and full of life. I couldn't wait to see this show at the O2 arena with all the fans there.

How much of the production did you see? Were there any big surprises?
There were still certain elements that they had to put into place, but I saw them rehearse about a dozen songs. And Michael never stopped. He worked right through. He did 12 songs and he only paused a couple of times to tweak some stuff with the music and a little bit of the choreography.

They had a screen that ran the full length of the main stage and was maybe about 50 feet high. And, supposedly, I heard they were doing some 3D things. I've been shooting shows for 25 years and I'd never seen anything like that before. I was very curious to see how it would all come together.

So you could say the concert was really in the final stages of preparation - with all the individual songs coming together into a coherent show?
Yes, well... Everything was pretty much staged and built. There were certain things they were still waiting to get - they had chandeliers they were going to put into the set. But musically and dancing-wise, I got to see it all. But I didn't get to see things like aerial lifts and a few other elements in the show.

And when Michael was done rehearsing, he and Kenny Ortega [choreographer and show producer] went off the stage and they were looking at a bunch of props they had for Thriller and they had a puppeteer using zombie-type creatures that were going to go through the audience. It looked really, really cool.

This was going to be like no show anyone had ever seen.

The picture that has gone around the world today is of Michael in a grey suit, pointing into the centre of the auditorium. What do you remember much about that shot?
That might have been Black Or White - but I don't remember. It's so hard for me to keep track of the songs while I'm shooting, because it's such an adrenalin rush for me. I'm just too excited, and I'm juggling round numerous cameras. But I do know this, it was magical.

There are rumours today that the rehearsals had been filmed and that segments of the concert will be released as a tribute. Were you aware of that?
Not specifically - but everything was documented. That's why I was there. I was there to keep a record photographically, and they also had videographers. He's Michael Jackson and, as you know, he documents everything.
Link.
 
I do agree... that maybe the kids arent his biologically.

But he didnt bleach his skin, and never has done.

He had a desease, that killed pigment in his skin.

He was getting more pale as it got worse over the years.

Hmm,

The real story behind his skin lightening is another issue I have some doubts about. Even if he did have Vitiligo, most people who have pigment disorders would usually add cosmetics or have corrective treatments to reinstate their original colour. Not to the other way around. Why are there no photos of him whilst his ‘disease’ was in transition? The colour of his skin I feel is clearly linked to his Dismorphia.

It appears that a lot of MJ’s life was based on a lies and half-truths. As we have clearly seen, he has doctors who will give up their Practices and live in his house and do or say anything for the right money.

If you were a white male and had a condition, which darkened your skin, it is unlikely that you would then have corrective surgery to look like P Diddy.

He had surgery to attempt to drastically change his appearance to look like a Caucasian male. Instead he looked like something from the SCI FI Channel.

The eighties and nineties were littered with people who made ill judgements based on their cultural insecurities, which led them to believe that lightning their skin, (amongst other things) was the way to find acceptance or enhanced their natural beauty.

I believe MJ was no different, other than was able to pay a doctor to tell us what he wanted us to believe.
 
Hmm,

The real story behind his skin lightening is another issue I have some doubts about. Even if he did have Vitiligo, most people who have pigment disorders would usually add cosmetics or have corrective treatments to reinstate their original colour. Not to the other way around. Why are there no photos of him whilst his ‘disease’ was in transition? The colour of his skin I feel is clearly linked to his Dismorphia.

It appears that a lot of MJ’s life was based on a lies and half-truths. As we have clearly seen, he has doctors who will give up their Practices and live in his house and do or say anything for the right money.

If you were a white male and had a condition, which darkened your skin, it is unlikely that you would then have corrective surgery to look like P Diddy.

He had surgery to attempt to drastically change his appearance to look like a Caucasian male. Instead he looked like something from the SCI FI Channel.

The eighties and nineties were littered with people who made ill judgements based on their cultural insecurities, which led them to believe that lightning their skin, (amongst other things) was the way to find acceptance or enhanced their natural beauty.

I believe MJ was no different, other than was able to pay a doctor to tell us what he wanted us to believe.

You might want to read up a little on Universal Vitiligo to see what the recommended treatment is. When you have large patches of non-pigmented skin... it makes more sense to medically bleach the remaining spots.

It's an autoimmune disorder - and he had mild lupus which explains the photophobia. A friend of my dad's had vitiligo and he went from a dark brown skinned Indian to a completely white Indian - he just had pigmentation left on his knuckles.

Whilst he was undergoing this process he was extremely embarassed to step out - he was a recluse. So I'm quite sure that MJ probably wouldn't have stepped out for the world to take pictures of his patchy skin either (besides, he was covered up most of the time)
 
Once again, TMZ is all over this:

According to their sources,

- Debbie Rowe was only a surrogate, and is not the biological mother of Jackson's first two children
- Michael Jackson is not the biological father of any of the three children
- Jackson didn't legally adopt any of the three children either
Sounds very plausible and would explain why none of the three children resemble their parents (or eachother).

AppleMark said:
His children (all 3) do not look like the product of a first generation mix of African American and white American parents. I have always been surprised that there has been very little mention of this prior to MJ’s death.
Well, first off there have been very few pictures of them unmasked until now. Their faces were always wrapped up in weird getups a few years ago when there was still a lot of publicity around MJ. I never got a good look at them until now.

Secondly, there has been such a tremendous amount of other weird things surrounding MJ that the issue of his kids perhaps not being his seemed like a minor concern. It's like, "OK let's see. Here's a black guy who paid a fortune to look like a cross between Snow White and a burn victim, and the rest of his family said 'daim that looks good, we're gonna do that too'. His best friends are Liz Taylor and a chimpansee, he thinks he's Peter Pan, he's quite possibly a pedophile, he's seen on sunny days wearing a surgical mask and a Zorro hat under a big black umbrella, he dangles babies from balconies, his home is a theme park, he's doped up on every prescription drug on the planet... what else... umm... oh yeah and on a side note he may not be the biological father of his kids."

Edit: The recent interviews with rabbi Shmuley and the registered nurse are the ones that made most sense to me in this full scale disinformation assault... The nurse said he had terrible problems getting a full night's sleep and used surgical anasthesia(!) called Diprivan because it was the only thing that would let him sleep. And sure enough, TMZ now reports that they found Propofol (=Diprivan) in his home. She had told Jackson that he was playing with some really dangerous stuff, but he insisted that it was OK as long as it was administered by a doctor who monitored him.

The rabbi talked about the issue of yes-men around Jackson and the fact that he would systematically distance himself from anyone who criticized him or tried to talk him out of things. If you wanted to go along for the Jackson ride you had to let him act out his every whim. Put that together with what the nurse said, and you have a doctor who had a choice between sedating him with Diprivan every night, or get the hell out.

Associated Press said:
Following Jackson's death, allegations emerged that the 50-year-old King of Pop had been consuming painkillers, sedatives and antidepressants. But Lee said she encountered a man tortured by sleep deprivation and one who expressed opposition to recreational drug use.

"He wasn't looking to get high or feel good and sedated from drugs," she said. "This was a person who was not on drugs. This was a person who was seeking help, desperately, to get some sleep, to get some rest."

Jackson was rehearsing hard for what would have been his big comeback — his "This Is It" tour, a series of performances that would have strained his aging dancer's body. Also, pain had been a part of his life since 1984, when his scalp was severely burned during a Pepsi commercial shoot.

Several months ago, Jackson had begun badgering Lee about Diprivan, also known as Propofol, Lee said. It is an intravenous anesthetic drug widely used in operating rooms to induce unconsciousness. It is generally given through an IV needle in the hand.

Patients given Propofol take less time to regain consciousness than those administered certain other drugs, and they report waking up more clear-headed and refreshed, said University of Chicago psychopharmacologist James Zacny.

It has also been implicated in drug abuse, with people using it to "chill out" or to commit suicide, Zacny said. Accidental deaths linked to abuse have been reported. The powerful drug has a very narrow therapeutic window, meaning it doesn't take doses much larger than the medically recommended amount to stop a person's breathing.

An overdose that stops breathing can result in a buildup of carbon dioxide, causing the heart to beat erratically and leading to cardiac arrest, said Dr. John Dombrowski, a member of the board of directors of the American Society of Anesthesiologists.

Because it is given intravenously and is not the kind of prescription drug typically available from pharmacists, abuse cases have involved anesthesiologists, nurses and other hospital staffers with easy access to the drug, Zacny said.

In recent months, Lee said, Jackson waved away her warnings about it.

"I had an IV and when it hit my vein, I was sleeping. That's what I want," Lee said Jackson told her.

"I said, 'Michael, the only problem with you taking this medication' — and I had a chill in my body and tears in my eyes three months ago — 'the only problem is you're going to take it and you're not going to wake up," she recalled.

According to Lee, Jackson said it had been given to him before but he didn't want to discuss the circumstances or identify the doctor involved.

The singer also drew his own distinctions when it came to drugs versus prescription medicine.

"He said, `I don't like drugs. I don't want any drugs. My doctor told me this is a safe medicine,'" Lee said. The next day, she said she brought a copy of the Physician's Desk Reference to show him the section on Diprivan.

"He said, 'No, my doctor said it's safe. It works quick and it's safe as long as somebody's here to monitor me and wake me up. It's going be OK,'" Lee said. She said he did not give the doctor's name.

Lee said at one point, she spent the night with Jackson to monitor him while he slept. She said she gave him herbal remedies and stayed in a corner chair in his vast bedroom.

After he settled in bed, Lee told Jackson to turn down the lights and music — he had classical music playing in the house. "He also had a computer on the bed because he loved Walt Disney," she said. "He was watching Donald Duck and it was ongoing. I said, `Maybe if we put on softer music,' and he said, `No, this is how I go to sleep.'"

Three and a half hours later, Jackson jumped up and looked at Lee, eyes wide open, according to Lee. "This is what happens to me," she quoted him as saying. "All I want is to be able to sleep. I want to be able to sleep eight hours. I know I'll feel better the next day."
 
I am sure that the truth will come out eventually concerning his skin condition and other issues.

Glad they seem to have found his will.

I am not so sure. There's just too much involved here.

His will will be changed as well IMO. The Jackson Sr will want some of that cake as well.
 
I am not so sure. There's just too much involved here.

His will will be changed as well IMO. The Jackson Sr will want some of that cake as well.
You may be right.

If MJ was worth what he was years ago, then I would expect the family squabbling over what they get.

In this case, MJ's wealth has been greatly diminished and he had huge debt.

Guess we'll see.
 
You may be right.

If MJ was worth what he was years ago, then I would expect the family squabbling over what they get.

In this case, MJ's wealth has been greatly diminished and he had huge debt.

Guess we'll see.

Despite his reported debt, he will be a cash cow for years to come. Look at Elvis, John Lennon, Marilyn Monroe- these dead celebrities earn millions a year.

It has also been reported that he has left his children over 200 unreleased songs. Cha-ching!
 
Despite his reported debt, he will be a cash cow for years to come. Look at Elvis, John Lennon, Marilyn Monroe- these dead celebrities earn millions a year.

It has also been reported that he has left his children over 200 unreleased songs. Cha-ching!
YA RLY.

His death will make his estate more than he probably ever could have alive. From what I read, although he was in a bad way cash wise, he has a variable mountain of assets worth a small large fortune. Then there's all the sales to come off the back of the publicity from his untimely death.

Jackson will be making more money now than he has in the last 10-15 years I reckon.
 
YA RLY.

His death will make his estate more than he probably ever could have alive. From what I read, although he was in a bad way cash wise, he has a variable mountain of assets worth a small large fortune. Then there's all the sales to come off the back of the publicity from his untimely death.

Jackson will be making more money now than he has in the last 10-15 years I reckon.


I heard one report (i think on BBC news) saying pretty much what you said, "In the next year he will make more money than he has done in the last decade" iirc.
 
Remember also that without someone dipping into that increased income for uncontrolled spending sprees the value of that debt can be dramatically reduced even quicker
 
If reports of his debts are even remotely true, the income from his back catalogue will go to service his estate, remember that even MJ only gets a portion of the monies from record sales, the rest goes to publisher and record company and management.

Someone's going to make money out of his death, but I doubt it'll be his kids or his family.
 
Remember also that without someone dipping into that increased income for uncontrolled spending sprees the value of that debt can be dramatically reduced even quicker

That was my thought exactly. $100,000 a month rental homes can eat up cash pretty quickly and then there was the horde of enablers. I'm sure they didn't come cheap.
 
I heard one report (i think on BBC news) saying pretty much what you said, "In the next year he will make more money than he has done in the last decade" iirc.
I think he has generated more money in the last week than he has in the last decade. The royalties from the rampant airplay on TV and radio on every channel all around the world would be enough to sustain a normal person for several lifetimes (it would've lasted Jackson about two days), and then there's the album sales on top of that. And now that Jackson isn't around anymore to blow a truckload of money a day on useless trinkets, bling and junk, and all of his hangarounds are suddenly off the payroll, his finances will be able to recover in no time.
 
Register on MacRumors! This sidebar will go away, and you'll see fewer ads.