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he's seen on sunny days wearing a surgical mask and a Zorro hat under a big black umbrella, he dangles babies from balconies, his home is a theme park, he's doped up on every prescription drug on the planet... what else... umm... oh yeah and on a side note he may not be the biological father of his kids."


I feel that a suspected paedophile bringing up children who are not biologically his, because he paid for them is worth more than a footnote in the story of MJ.

If he was a paedophile (and we will never really know for sure), this is an outrageous crime by the authorities, which I presume turned a blind eye because he was MJ, or were his ‘personal’ health workers? The implications should be huge, that a suspected paedophile could be allowed to ‘Groom’ in this way.

Well, first off there have been very few pictures of them unmasked until now. Their faces were always wrapped up in weird getups a few years ago when there was still a lot of publicity around MJ.

Surely when social services or the equivalent visited the family they should have worked it out or asked questions, or did they all keep their masks on? :)

Goes to show, you really can buy anything and anyone.
 
Personally, I think they should bury him at Neverland and let it become a sort of Graceland for his fans. Although, I'm sure the people that live in surrounding communities wouldn't be too happy. However, their property values would likely sky rocket and they could always move.
 
Personally, I think they should bury him at Neverland and let it become a sort of Graceland for his fans. Although, I'm sure the people that live in surrounding communities wouldn't be too happy.
If they managed to live there while it was a mini-Disneyland with hundreds of screaming kids, monkeys, tigers, giraffes, trains, firetrucks and ferris wheels, I think they can handle anything. ;)

I was at Best Buy and they had one of MJ's last concerts on one of the home theaters. Man, this guy could dance! :eek:
He sure could... although I gotta say, I watched that supposedly legendary performance of Billie Jean at Motown 25, and while the dancing was spectacular I feel that it was just that, a spectacle. He was trying ten times too hard, a let's-see-how-many-moves-I-can-cram-into-3-minutes type deal. And playback of course, because nobody can dance like that without the pitch flying all over the place. I didn't come away with the impression "man, what a musical genius", more like "what a well trained show horse, it knows so many tricks!"
 
Despite his reported debt, he will be a cash cow for years to come. Look at Elvis, John Lennon, Marilyn Monroe- these dead celebrities earn millions a year.

It has also been reported that he has left his children over 200 unreleased songs. Cha-ching!
Interesting.

I not sure where I read it, but if memory serves, he had sold some of his catalog to finance his lifestyle. So he estate may not be all that it would have been.

Question. I wonder who owns the rights to those songs? Granted he left them to his children. But when released, would they still belong to Sony, or whoever he was under contract?

I heard one report (i think on BBC news) saying pretty much what you said, "In the next year he will make more money than he has done in the last decade" iirc.
If iTMS is any indication, that will be true.

I was at Best Buy and they had one of MJ's last concerts on one of the home theaters. Man, this guy could dance! :eek:
Yes, he could. :)
 
Michael was one lonely person. His kids will be set financially because his stuff is flying off the selves. I hope wherever they bury him it is not disclosed.
 
Michael was one lonely person.
I hope wherever they bury him it is not disclosed.
So that he can be lonely for eternity...?

He only lived for one thing, to stand in front of a crowd that screams "we love you Michael!!!!!" Spending eternity in some secret/unmarked grave where he gets zero attention was probably his biggest nightmare. He'd want some elaborate grave full of golden ornamentation, statues, marble columns and various other bling, and thousands of sobbing fans hanging out there 24/7.
 
According to yahoo the DEA is now involved in an investigation about MJ's death--I think that the parts of him that are not plastic should just be buried and left to rot I'm tired of hearing about him everywhere I read or go.
 
I didn't come away with the impression "man, what a musical genius", more like "what a well trained show horse, it knows so many tricks!"

And of course this comes from someone who has probably never seen him perform live at a concert - yes, it IS possible for someone to dance and sing @ perfect pitch.

Funny how most musicians and producers think he was a musical genius, but the ones who are not in the industry or don't know how to compose a tune think otherwise. :rolleyes:
 
Funny how most musicians and producers think he was a musical genius, but the ones who are not in the industry or don't know how to compose a tune think otherwise. :rolleyes:
For your information I've been in the music industry for 21 years and started with music 30 years ago. I sing, write, produce and play keyboards/drums/guitar/bass and I'm currently working in audio software development. If you're going to lecture me on any technical aspects of music, do your research.

The fact that Jackson's Motown 25 performance of Billie Jean was playback is blatantly obvious from the fact that every single note, phrase, inhalation and weird Jackson-esque noise isn't merely similar but identical to the studio recording. Not to mention the fact that he's holding a crummy wireless SM58 but the lead vocal recording has the range and characteristics of a studio grade condenser mic á la U87, magically free from popping and wind noises.

The guy could certainly sing, but for the most part he didn't. On his Dangerous tour, 90% of his vocals were pre-recorded and 10% were performed live, typically the ballads (the band, however, was 100% live). Most people who saw it were probably thrown off by the fact that the band was clearly playing live, and since they're only familiar with playback and singback it didn't occur to them that Jackson was doing it the other way around.

These days it's getting increasingly hard to tell what's real and what's fake. For example, a friend of mine who works in TV was on set when a certain American female country artist performed two songs for a show that was taped in the morning and aired late at night. Everything was live, including the vocals, *but* the final result that the TV audience saw was tweaked. Why? Because the artist's team was there and made a multichannel recording of the performance onto their portable ProTools rig. Then they took it back to their hotel room and pitch corrected any notes on the lead vocals that were a little off. Then they handed the mixdown to the TV and instructed them to dub over their recording with the improved one. So in the end, people did see a bona fide live performance, but weren't aware of the 'enhanced reality' factor.
 
For your information I've been in the music industry for 21 years and started with music 30 years ago. I sing, write, produce and play keyboards/drums/guitar/bass and I'm currently working in audio software development. If you're going to lecture me on any technical aspects of music, do your research.

That's even MORE incredible then, that you don't consider him a musical genius!

I don't even know on what basis you're saying he's not - on the motown performance? I went for one of his History concerts and he sure wasn't lip syncing - you could clearly hear the exhaustion in his voice, sometimes he would be breathless. But he sounded incredible - he didn't have a 'great' voice but it was unique - almost synthetic (which imo, was really cool)

I've gone for a ton of concerts where performers have lip synced, and while I certainly don't like that - I don't diss their musical genius based on a concert or tv performance. Sometimes they perform live, you can't expect them to sing live ALL the time though (Phil Collins is an exception - the bugger always sings live!)

I would love to see what your 'musical genius' bar is set at.

I'd gladly be called a musical fool/idiot to have my songs get the attention of almost every person in the world - young and old. I would die extremely happy.
 
That's even MORE incredible then, that you don't consider him a musical genius!
I certainly consider him a rhythmical genius. He was one of those people who have rhythm hardwired from the brain to every part of his body. A living beatbox. But I generally reserve "musical" for the more tonal aspects of music, and IMO his singing and his melodies were not exceptional in any way.

I don't even know on what basis you're saying he's not - on the motown performance? I went for one of his History concerts and he sure wasn't lip syncing - you could clearly hear the exhaustion in his voice, sometimes he would be breathless.
Well, if you google around a little you'll find that a lot of insiders as well as gig attendees confirming that his vocals were pre-recorded to a large extent, both on the History and the Dangerous tour, and it was even semi-officially announced that he would mostly be lipsynching on his upcoming O2 shows. But they didn't use the original recordings, he went into the studio and recorded new vocals for the performance versions. A lot of artists do this nowadays -- Britney, Madonna, Beyoncé... they alternate between live and pre-recorded vocals, and occasionally they'll open the mic feed for speech inbetween the songs or call/response parts where they interact with the audience. That way you get a seamless blend between live and pre-recorded vocals.

It's not really "cheating"; I know all these artists can sing, but with elaborate and physically demanding choreography even the best of vocalists have trouble singing. Try it yourself, stand up and sing one continuous note, "aaaaaaaaaa...", then start jumping up and down on the spot, and suddenly it's "aaaaaaEaaaaaaEaaaaa". Prince is one of the few who can pull it off, but then again his dancing isn't very choreographed, plus he has a very low center of gravity. ;) Jackson was a perfectionist and couldn't have lived with himself if every dance move and every note weren't perfect, and since it's impossible to get both of them perfect simultaneously for two consecutive hours every night, he had to cheat a little with one of them. And since you can't pre-record the dancing, it had to be the singing.

But he sounded incredible - he didn't have a 'great' voice but it was unique - almost synthetic (which imo, was really cool)
His voice had two modes that I liked... one was the one he used on slower songs in the early part of his solo career, especially on "She's out of my life" which is one of his best vocal performances on any of his albums... the other was when he used his full-on rock voice, like on the Dirty Diana chorus. But I absolutely hated all his gimmicky 'tics', the weird sounds he made inbetween the words. The syncopated "dah!" he threw in everywhere, the trademark "hee-hee" and the peculiar "oooooooooh" scream that came out of the blue for no apparent reason, and my personal pet peeve, pronouncing "come on" as "shamone". I just wanted to kick his ass every time I heard that stupid pronunciation. It bought him the 2nd spot on my top list of "Singers I'd like to lobotomize so they'll stop torturing the world with disgusting sounds". The #1 spot is held by that horrible woman who sang Cranberries' "Zombie". Yodeling + Rock'n'Roll + Irish accent = painful.

I would love to see what your 'musical genius' bar is set at.
I dunno, any truly exceptional songwriter, vocalist or musician, or someone whose musical contribution changed music history, someone who revolutionized music production/recording or otherwise left a big enough imprint to change music history. I'd place people like McCartney/Lennon, Zappa, Kate Bush, Prince, Collins/Gabriel and even Kraftwerk in that category, but Jackson, well... he certainly changed music history in ways, but IMO it wasn't so much the music itself. It had more to do with his dancing and performances, and that he opened the door for black artists to white audiences by breaking into the mainstream and being the first black artist to be played on MTV. His songs were hardly groundbreaking, it was conventional mainstream pop with hints of R&B and rock thrown in. He brought nothing new in terms of production values, style, song structure or anything that you could identify in other people's music.

Again, if you look at one of Jackson's contemporaries, Prince, you'll find that he had a massive impact at the time. He introduced a distinct sound that was very influential on mainstream music in the mid 80's... you could instantly hear which artists and producers were Prince fans. Jackson didn't have that kind of influence because there really was no distinct Jackson sound. After "Thriller", everything he did was derivative. In fact I'd say "Dangerous" was very influenced by Prince, directly or indirectly... the funky drum programming on "Black and White", "Keep it in the Closet" and a few of those songs can be traced back to trends that Prince established with songs like "When Doves Cry", "Alphabet St." and "Kiss" a few years earlier.

I'd gladly be called a musical fool/idiot to have my songs get the attention of almost every person in the world - young and old. I would die extremely happy.
Are you sure? Look at Jackson... he died more unhappy than your average bus driver or waitress. He is living, erm, dead proof that success is not the key to happiness.
 
Funny how most musicians and producers think he was a musical genius, but the ones who are not in the industry or don't know how to compose a tune think otherwise. :rolleyes:
Interesting.

However, I am sure that there are exceptions in the industry as not all will view everything the same.

Look at Jackson... he died more unhappy than your average bus driver or waitress. He is living, erm, dead proof that success is not the key to happiness.
Agree.

Success does not equal happiness.

Success many times means giving up something for that success. The question becomes is it worth it. Over the years, the most common thing that I've seen given up for success is family. Sad in some ways.

Bottom line, is that success comes at a price. Whether you are will to pay it, is another question.

What utter bollocks. They are being paid every time.
I don't know Skunk. I understand where you are coming from, but many times concerts don't sound near as good as the album/song. Personally, I don't mind the lip-syncing as long as they don't do it Mili Vanili style.

Of course there are artists that do provide a concert where the sound is very similar to their albums/songs. I admire them for that because I can imagine that it is not easy to do so.
 
Agree.

Success does not equal happiness.

Success many times means giving up something for that success. The question becomes is it worth it. Over the years, the most common thing that I've seen given up for success is family. Sad in some ways.

Bottom line, is that success comes at a price. Whether you are will to pay it, is another question.
A lot of celebrities can cope just fine and live normal lives, though. The ones who end up like "Citizen Kane" -- Howard Hughes, Elvis, Michael Jackson -- are typically damaged goods from the outset.

Not entirely sure what's wrong with them. Some of them are flaming narcissists with delusions of grandeur and an unstoppable sense of entitlement. People like that are probably best off never achieving maximum success, at least then they have something left to aspire to. But when they reach the top of the ladder and realize that there's nowhere left to go but down, that even when they have all the money in the world they still can't fill their void, they snap.

Generally, poor people who get filthy rich are the worst cases, it's like they're messing with the laws of nature and being punished accordingly. They remind me of Baldrick on the comedy series Blackadder. He had a soft spot for turnips. One day he happened to come across a hefty sum of money, and instead of investing them wisely in order to make a life for himself he ran out and bought the world's biggest turnip the size of a VW beetle.

MC Hammer thought he'd be on top of the world forever, his spending was on par with Jackson's and I believe at one time he had a staff of 200 people under him. A few years later he was flat broke and living in a small flat with a ton of kids. In Sweden we had a rapper/toaster called Leila K, she had quite a few hits in Europe in the late 80's/early 90's. She burned cash at record speed and for the last few years she's an actual bum. Bum as in homeless person, bag lady in rags. Once writing autographs, she's now found in subway stations begging for petty cash.
 
What utter bollocks. They are being paid every time.
If a singer fakes singing then we should pay them in monopoly money when we go to that concert it's a fair wage right? I mean I don't get paid for acting like I'm working.
 
If a singer fakes singing then we should pay them in monopoly money when we go to that concert it's a fair wage right? I mean I don't get paid for acting like I'm working.

yea it seems unfair.. but i wouldn't say they're not out there working.. he wasn't just sitting on a chair
 
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