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Microsoft and Adobe Executives Meet to Discuss Apple, Possible Merger
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Adobe are NOT the bad company every (mindless) person here is making them out to be.
Flash is CRAP. But the MAIN adobe products are not.
Without Creative Suite you would lose a HUGE number of mac users!
MS are actually being smart for once. With Adobe in their pocket they could (if they wanted to) pull development on all Adobe products for OS X.
Oh ****!
Flash is CRAP. But the MAIN adobe products are not.
Without Creative Suite you would lose a HUGE number of mac users!
MS are actually being smart for once. With Adobe in their pocket they could (if they wanted to) pull development on all Adobe products for OS X.
Oh ****!
You're either not a very advanced user or you haven't used CS5. Expression Studio is quite limited compared to Adobe's equivalent and CS5 is quite stable.
the two biggest bloatware companies IN THE WORLD... can you imagine the sheer SIZE of MS CS6?
"new microsoft cs6... now only available on blueray disks!"
"new microsoft cs6... now only available on blueray disks!"
Actually, the culture of the companies are fairly similar. Adobe was the Postscript company, and that company was very microsofty. Aldus had a more creative side. Eventually, the combined companies converged around postscript with programming teams in charge of that process around customer needs and technological possibility. (Like adding Postscript and photoshop renderers to After Effects. By putting Postscript behind InDesign and deprecating PageMaker. Moving TrapWise into PS3 (this isn't quite right, but is ok for argument).
But the product cycle and the qualities of most engineers, and what seems to drive the folks is quite similar between Microsoft and Adobe.
the two biggest bloatware companies IN THE WORLD... can you imagine the sheer SIZE of MS CS6?
"new microsoft cs6... now only available on blueray disks!"
Windows 7 fits on a DVD... Snow Leopard needs a DL-DVD.
Would it not be less expensive to just develop better products?
Actually no. One good place to look at is the Gimp and CorelDraw. It is very difficult to actually make successful products in the category that have the tools that people need. One surprising product is Fractal Painter, but that still does not have the capabilities to make it a "better" product.
One of the HUGE things that made the products work better is the fact that they all today share the PS renderer. This makes many of the problems other programs working well and predictably go away. This is simply HUGE.
Actually I think they can. A lot of stuff utilized to improve the JS engine is precisely the type of thinking that can be utilized for speed and compactness.
Also Microsoft has a huge head start on Security tech.
There are many OSX users here including my self who use Lightroom, Photoshop and other Adobe related products.
If Microsoft were to merge with Adobe would us creative folks over in Apple land get left in the dust?
Adobe isn't exactly happy with Apple these days and Microsoft is scared with how well Apple is doing. So I can only imagine that the two of them are thinking how they can tackle Apple.
If Microsoft were to merge with Adobe would us creative folks over in Apple land get left in the dust?
Adobe isn't exactly happy with Apple these days and Microsoft is scared with how well Apple is doing. So I can only imagine that the two of them are thinking how they can tackle Apple.
Please, Apple.... don't let this happen
This would be awful for me. Awesome move by Microsoft, if they did it... but I would be pissed, because I'd hate to have to choose. But I would choose and it would be Adobe that wins out.
I'm a Sr. Art Director who does high end graphics work for a lot of big companies, and as good as some other Mac software is, there is NOTHING THAT COMES CLOSE to a substitute for Photoshop, Illustrator, InDesign, or After Effects. NOTHING.
I'm not just a 1-5 person shop we're about 100 people who have to pass files back and forth with other agencies; collaborating, preparing, finishing. We must be interoperable with the standards. Our fonts, layers, masks, and compositions must work across everyone's machines.
Pixelmator is fun, QuarkXPress is alright, Motion is so so... But Adobe products are what most pros use because they have it all. There is no ceiling with Adobe's graphics software. It is the highest end you can get for these tasks.
Whatever is thought of Flash and people thinking HTML5 being a substitute, there is nothing for HTML5 that matches Flash's authoring environment. Until that is the case it will be mostly developers on HTML5 (not artists).
I really hope Apple isn't finished with the Mac being the Designer's computer. Microsoft and Adobe might just make that decision for them.
This would be awful for me. Awesome move by Microsoft, if they did it... but I would be pissed, because I'd hate to have to choose. But I would choose and it would be Adobe that wins out.
I'm a Sr. Art Director who does high end graphics work for a lot of big companies, and as good as some other Mac software is, there is NOTHING THAT COMES CLOSE to a substitute for Photoshop, Illustrator, InDesign, or After Effects. NOTHING.
I'm not just a 1-5 person shop we're about 100 people who have to pass files back and forth with other agencies; collaborating, preparing, finishing. We must be interoperable with the standards. Our fonts, layers, masks, and compositions must work across everyone's machines.
Pixelmator is fun, QuarkXPress is alright, Motion is so so... But Adobe products are what most pros use because they have it all. There is no ceiling with Adobe's graphics software. It is the highest end you can get for these tasks.
Whatever is thought of Flash and people thinking HTML5 being a substitute, there is nothing for HTML5 that matches Flash's authoring environment. Until that is the case it will be mostly developers on HTML5 (not artists).
I really hope Apple isn't finished with the Mac being the Designer's computer. Microsoft and Adobe might just make that decision for them.
It will be a merger...
The will use the first part of the Microsoft Name.
Micro...
And attach the second part of the "Adobe Software" name... And probably drop the "ware.
After the merger the new company will be called "MicroSoft"
The will use the first part of the Microsoft Name.
Micro...
And attach the second part of the "Adobe Software" name... And probably drop the "ware.
After the merger the new company will be called "MicroSoft"
A merger is imminent.
I could see them navigating the anti-trust issues by simply pointing a finger at HTML5, even though Silverlight and Flash can do much more than be a container for video content.
I'd say this is bad news.
I'm not a fan of the quality of work done by either company, albeit their products are useful--I'd liken this to Adobe's acquisition of Macromedia. Assuming MS does acquire Adobe, I see software quality going down... again.
That's just my opinion though.
I could see them navigating the anti-trust issues by simply pointing a finger at HTML5, even though Silverlight and Flash can do much more than be a container for video content.
I'd say this is bad news.
I'm not a fan of the quality of work done by either company, albeit their products are useful--I'd liken this to Adobe's acquisition of Macromedia. Assuming MS does acquire Adobe, I see software quality going down... again.
That's just my opinion though.
I think this is a reasonable fear. But I don't think it is likely. I think you will find that if anything, it all just becomes a little bit easier for you. Files from both windows and mac will just kinda work. And it will be easier to put files from windows onto the mac and get them to final production. And vice verse.
Just being able to believe and output on both platforms will be huge. Some art houses will take the opportunity to save on hardware, because equivalent PC's will just cost a lot less. Some will always be diehard Mac houses, because the talent likes and uses Macs.
If office took on PS as its reference rendering model. The advantage of using those tools throughout the production process, all the way to kinko's or a press shop would be huge.
Jobs to Ballmer: "Bring it."
I don't know what he deal is with the naming talk. When Miller Brewing and Coors merged, the company became...MillerCoors. Not exactly earth-shattering.
I don't know what he deal is with the naming talk. When Miller Brewing and Coors merged, the company became...MillerCoors. Not exactly earth-shattering.
oh my
If Microsoft acquires Adobe, I won't be buying the product. As mangled as Adobe is right now (with the obnoxious let's put flash into almost all our applications), I was hoping with their dip into HTML5 pool that they'd ultimately come around and create something even better than Flash. Heck I'd just hope they'd produce good software again.
With a Microsoft merger, I can't support either company. MS: I don't like their product, it's too complicated, overwrought and doesn't place nice with PC versions. Now I know nothing about Office 2011 or Windows 7, and I won't unless my job requires it.
I use what I have to at work and what I like to at home. Ease of use is huge for me (which is why I love Pixelmator).
If this merger does happen, I hope it is good for all who would like to see it.
If Microsoft acquires Adobe, I won't be buying the product. As mangled as Adobe is right now (with the obnoxious let's put flash into almost all our applications), I was hoping with their dip into HTML5 pool that they'd ultimately come around and create something even better than Flash. Heck I'd just hope they'd produce good software again.
With a Microsoft merger, I can't support either company. MS: I don't like their product, it's too complicated, overwrought and doesn't place nice with PC versions. Now I know nothing about Office 2011 or Windows 7, and I won't unless my job requires it.
I use what I have to at work and what I like to at home. Ease of use is huge for me (which is why I love Pixelmator).
If this merger does happen, I hope it is good for all who would like to see it.
How is it too complicated? You point and click, open files, close them. Download, install, uninstall. I'm just wondering.
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I really don't get how ballmer still has a job. Does anyone actually have faith they can catch up at this point in the mobile space? Microsoft needed all hands on deck to come out with something good asap. Even palm released a descent os in a timely manner and the biggest software company in the world can't?
I really don't get how ballmer still has a job. Does anyone actually have faith they can catch up at this point in the mobile space? Microsoft needed all hands on deck to come out with something good asap. Even palm released a descent os in a timely manner and the biggest software company in the world can't?