My point is that iOS 6 is not available until Fall 2012. I know people are using it. Microsoft, likewise, has demoed these tablets, and it's expected by October 2012. What's the definition of vaporware? IMO, it's only vaporware if Apple fails to deliver iOS 6 and Microsoft fails to deliver their tablets.Only if all the people right now using it are just lying.
Can't say the same for MS bloatware. Still I will hold judgement for when it comes out and if their is benefit financially for me to use or learn to manage these tablets then I will do so. If not its just another Zune. I am sure some people will buy it after all a good percentage of MS fangirls posting here will definitely buy one. For me I will stick with what works year after year.
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Of all things, you should be worried about covering the vent or getting grime in it, not your opinion that it's PC-like.
It's not about "wanting" a vent. It's about the ridiculousness about complaining about one and equating the inclusion of a vent with it being an ultra book.
MS reason are simple this is about Corp IT. They are not doing this for anyone else. MS is afraid that iPad will start to take out their lucrative business Corporations. If that was to happen then maybe some would also look at apple servers and other products which have show good reliability. MS is been smart in making everything look the same and allowing in the next Gen Server to allow for full lockdown of Windows 8 as IT see fit.
MuhahahahahahahaI don't see Apple going this way, they may integrate some functionality into OS X but not combine the different products.
Business models are different with MS which is not interested in the consumer since its been show not to spend enough for them to care. That not to say they don't want to sell to that demographics but that is more of a marketing strategy just like Xbox was a financial failure in hardware but did allow MS to do other lucrative deals with the software side.
What I can't wait is to see is if Windows User will pay a premium price for MS products. Not something I have seen yet happen.
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This is pretty old news. I didn't think once about buying a Zune or a Kin. I did think twice about buying an iPod but actually didn't.
Metro apps (i.e. apps from the Windows Store) work on both tablets, and all other Windows 8 computers. It's the legacy, Intel-based programs that don't work on the ARM tablets.
Two choices. Possible confusion? Potentially, although I don't think it'll be a problem.
How could it be bloated if there's no apps?
There are a lot of apps, but probably not as many (or as good) as on iOS.
Wonder if the Intel version will have sufficiently standard PC hardware so that it can run Linux or if Microsoft plans to lock it down using UEFI secure boot.
This thing + Linux/FreeBSD would be a nice portable laptop like device.
Windows RT devices are the only ones with UEFI secure boot locked down where as with Intel based ones it isn't mandatory. If you want to run an alternative operating system then you'll have to go with the Intel based tablet.
Do you know what a vent means for the user experience?
-Well 3 hours of battery life, MAX
-an inefficient OS that clearly requires a lot of power for very little.
-vents also allow more dust and outside contaminants to get into the inside of the device.
Call me a fanboy because I see the future of tablets as being optimized for a touch screen input and having very power efficient processors. Oh and your jokes are tacky.
But I must say this is a very interesting windows computer ;p
Truthfully, that's exactly what this thing is. It's an ultrabook in a tablet form factor. Or at least the x86 version is.
I don't consider this a bad thing. Despite a whole bunch of people getting the notion that a tablet should be a tablet, and a PC a PC, and never the two shall meet stuck in their head.
That's not the problem for me. I just don't want a hole in my tablet that I have to worry about covering or getting stuff in it.
It's also clunky-looking, which I don't care about, but the consumers and MSFT will probably care. I don't think anyone would ever buy my iPhone 1, which I have hacked and installed a permanent masking tape case on
Looks very nice...question is,will microsoft stand by it? The zune was also a great digital music device,but microsoft let it die,before it even had a chance. (the hd zune is unreal)
I really hope this tablet is a big winner...as will drive apple,google,ect to make there tablet offerings even better!
I really hope this tablet is a big winner...as will drive apple,google,ect to make there tablet offerings even better!
This thing will only work if it was cheap. End of question. You can't price this thing more than an iPad and expect it to sell like iPads. Price is the biggest determining factor.
They are in a bad position: unless they figure they can sell at a loss and recoup later with apps, but that's not going to work when there are no apps vs iOS/android camp's massive app stores. You can't sell it as much as an iPad because it's NOT an iPad. They have a very, very tough battle to fight against Apple. They should be targeting android instead of apple because once android tablets drop prices to counter this thing, it's game over for Microsoft.
Microsoft thinks they can come out and just dominate with these tablets. The reality is they are not going to win if they think this way - usb ports, low resolution screen, 2lb weight (for the pro) isn't going to appeal to iPad buyers but when people see cheaper android tablets, they are going to get those instead.
And don't forget, these keyboard covers and tablet designs - I personally don't think it's a direct knockoff of apple, but after showing my sister, my neighbor, they think it's an iPad.
Tough, tough, tough position to be in and the stigma with Microsoft brand, they have everything against them.
If the ARM version (since that's the direct competitor to iPad) gets 3 hours of batterly life max, I'll buy you one. If it gets more, you buy me one?
Agreed, though it would be silly to compare the iPad to the x86 version. Too different and the x86 would be far more capable. With the exception of perhaps battery life.
I think this is why Microsoft created two versions. One that weights almost the same as the current iPad is just tiny bit thinner. The other is for people who wants maximum compatibility for other trade-offs (weight, thickness, & battery life). I would lean toward the lighter version, because weight is very important to me.
I don't care if the vent is PC-like. There are some realistic and non-aesthetic problems with having a vent on a device you carry around so much, though.
WOW. Just WOW
What I am astonished is the number of comments. Everyone including Apple fanboys seems to have great interests on the MS surface.
Good bye, iPad~
Not necessarily. I think this has created a two-horse race, though, between Apple and Microsoft. Android doesn't really bring anything to the table. It is just an iPad clone. The Surface is more of an "Ultrabook Lite," at least in the Pro edition.
A two-horse race would be a good thing, as it would keep both Apple and Microsoft honest. I think all the chatter is a sign that Microsoft potentially has a real winner here. The key word is potentially. Part of their success to date has been attracting lots of OEMs. Now they are competing against those same OEMs, though arguably for a good reason (none of them could come up with anything worthy enough to compete with the iPad). Microsoft selling Windows RT licenses for $85 pretty much means to me they don't take the OEM market that seriously anymore. For better or for worse, they seem to be pursuing Apple's business model. Whether that succeeds remains to be seen. If I'm HP, ASUS, or Samsung, I'm starting to wonder whether Microsoft shares my same interests.
As for the integrated design, they tried something close with Windows Phone. While it is arguably the most polished smartphone OS out there, and the most radical, it has yet to catch on. I think Windows 8 Pro has a decent shot, but I'm not so sure about Windows RT, at least not yet.
Windows 7 was launched on October 22, 2009, about 2.5 years from now, but it didn't start to get widely adopted in the Enterprise until very recently, just a few months ago.
Here's one link, if you want more, google ot yourself:
http://thenextweb.com/microsoft/201...nce-despite-windows-8-looming-on-the-horizon/
Now, compare it to how long Windows XP has been the promary Windows choice for over 10 years. Microsoft had to pressure Windows XP users to upgrade:
http://www.brighthub.com/computing/windows-platform/articles/126642.aspx
I hope the above answers your questions. Sorry but I am no longer wasting my time trying to make you reason. Before you rush a senseless comment, use your brain or find facts. If you can't come up to my level to rationally discuss something, don't bother; talk to someone else instead.
So now we see what Windows 8 was really for? As someone who uses OSX and Windows 7 it was really rather perplexing to see Windows 8 support for desktop and notebook environments to be at best an afterthought.
Typical with Microsoft they think they can dominate the market with a single OS. Apple being sensible have realised that desktop and tablet UI's are completely different paradigms and require different OS's.
The RT just appears to be a run of mill tablet, a mistake from Microsoft, all they will do is alienate their ARM based tablet manufacturers. Add to that Windows 8 still uses the bloated Windows kernel.
The Pro is more interesting and is actually what they should have produced 12 months ago. A sandy bridge/ivy bridge tablet competing direct with the lower end notebook slotting in just under ultrabooks. That market is still in it's infancy and has real potential.
If rumours are true Ballmer & co killed off a tablet based product for fear of it threatening Windows. The problem with Microsoft is apart from a lack of ingenuity, they are entirely defined by Windows and Office.
As usual another off putting aspect is the styling, typically toy town. Do M$ always have to associate consumer with garish? I doubt they'll have also quite got why Apple are so successful with consumer devices, they just ooze perceived quality.
Typical with Microsoft they think they can dominate the market with a single OS. Apple being sensible have realised that desktop and tablet UI's are completely different paradigms and require different OS's.
The RT just appears to be a run of mill tablet, a mistake from Microsoft, all they will do is alienate their ARM based tablet manufacturers. Add to that Windows 8 still uses the bloated Windows kernel.
The Pro is more interesting and is actually what they should have produced 12 months ago. A sandy bridge/ivy bridge tablet competing direct with the lower end notebook slotting in just under ultrabooks. That market is still in it's infancy and has real potential.
If rumours are true Ballmer & co killed off a tablet based product for fear of it threatening Windows. The problem with Microsoft is apart from a lack of ingenuity, they are entirely defined by Windows and Office.
As usual another off putting aspect is the styling, typically toy town. Do M$ always have to associate consumer with garish? I doubt they'll have also quite got why Apple are so successful with consumer devices, they just ooze perceived quality.