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Upon farther review the Surface Pro looks more like a MacBook Air than an Ipad.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HP4qK4qJ0bQ&feature=related

http://www.theverge.com/products/surface-for-windows-8-pro/5800

http://www.apple.com/macbookair/

I know, I know that both RT and the Pro are really tablets. However the Pro from specs wise is .4 inch smaller MacBook Air. AGAIN, Apple ALREADY has a product like that. It's out in the market for about two years now.

Sure, the Surface Pro has a detachable keyboard, touch screen and probably eventually a built-in 4g wireless technology. 1. Detachable keyboard, wow, so you're going to carry two big peaces instead of one? 2. Touch screen is nice. However with the Air and it's multi-touch trackpad you can do a lot of the same things that the touch screens can do. Built-in 4g wireless technology is very nice! However with my MacBook Pro I brought a little USB modem stick and I have 4g wireless technology too.

Microsoft's new tablets aren't very original, sorry. Also when you think of the MacBook Air AND the iPad LOL! Microsoft just basically did a mix and match of the two Apple products to make their tablets.
 
I would be careful calling LOL so early. Microsoft may struggle, but if anything stands a chance of making inroads against the iPad, it's this device. It's designed around the principle that people will want something that has everything that the iPad is missing, in this case a keyboard, trackpad, desktop apps, even a kickstand.

To say the surface is an iPad killer is ludicrous, but to count it out is almost as bad. Some people want this stuff, and soon Microsoft will sell the best solution for that group.
 
@Stevamudo;

I agree with you that the i5 Surface have more to share with the Macbook Air than with the ipad. However the comparison might not be in the Air favor.

The Surface is lighter and smaller than the air but with similar power and battery life. The surface have more resolution than the air. (1920x1080 vs 1366x768). The surface will have HDMI out, the Air dont. More importantly, the Surface is 200$ cheaper than the Air.

Almost forgot; the Surface have a touchscreen and a 600dpi pen digitizer. This is a big + for the Surface.

I love the air, dont get me wrong. It's a slick piece of ultrabook even if the Asus Zenbook is now king of the hill.
 
Again, if it wasn't for APPLE there wouldn't be an icon base operating systems period certainty not back in the 80's. Xereox wasn't going to market their invention.

Fact: it was Apple and nobody else that introduced the GUI to the world. Fact: Microsoft just copied Apple's GUI that created Windows. Fact: Apple has created the table market. Fact: Microsoft is trying to copy Apple AGAIN.

I meant "Fact: Apple has created the table market of what it is TODAY."
 
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One thing it's easy to notice that people using Apple products always seem to have a smile on their face, while Windows users always are frowning.

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iPad & Surface RT = consumption
Surface Pro = creation
Where does the fickey Atom variant sit(though MS isn't using it yet, their partners are).

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The following anecdote is all too common.

"Before using a Mac, I used PCs, just like many other people that are now Mac users. Like most, I found the experience frustrating and more work than what it was worth to just keep it up and running.

What’s funny is that things haven’t changed that much. I have two PCs (Dell and Gateway) in the house right now. They are probably around three and five years old, respectively. Neither of them work."
The only issue with that anecdote is, they still are using a PC. The only difference is their new PC has a Apple logo on it.
 
@Stevamudo;

I agree with you that the i5 Surface have more to share with the Macbook Air than with the ipad. However the comparison might not be in the Air favor.

The Surface is lighter and smaller than the air but with similar power and battery life. The surface have more resolution than the air. (1920x1080 vs 1366x768). The surface will have HDMI out, the Air dont. More importantly, the Surface is 200$ cheaper than the Air.

Almost forgot; the Surface have a touchscreen and a 600dpi pen digitizer. This is a big + for the Surface.

I love the air, dont get me wrong. It's a slick piece of ultrabook even if the Asus Zenbook is now king of the hill.

How do you know all of this? Microsoft didn't give out any prices nor battery life Monday.

My point is, so far the Surface Pro looks a lot like the MBA. HOWEVER we don't know until Microsoft gives us the FULL specs.

Oh BTW, the Air can run OSX, Windows or just about about any other operating systems via by Parallels or VMware Fusion.
 
My point is, so far the Surface Pro looks a lot like the MBA.

So now it's a copy of the Air and an iPad?

You're confused and here's why. It's a tablet with a full featured OS and the power to take advantage of it (if only Apple could be so innovative)... And somehow you're trying to spin that as a bad thing. Clueless.
 
And Microsoft made the PC market what it is today. Does that make the MBP and Air less quality products by default? Of course not. So why assume the same for the Surface?

It doesn't matter who did what first, or who popularized what when where and why. Your point is moot.

LOL!!!!!!!!! Microsoft didn't make the PC market what it is today until AFTER they created Windows which was copied from Apple's GUI.

The rest I agree that competition is a good thing. Unless a company is stealing from another company...
 
TechRadar got some hands on and looks like they are digging it

http://www.techradar.com/reviews/pc-mac/tablets/microsoft-surface-tablet-1085839/review

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he/she should be a hand model
 
Copy copy copy copy copy copy copy copy copy copy copy copy copy copy copy copy copy copy copy copy copy copy copy copy copy copy copy copy copy copy.

You get paid per usage or something?

Apple didn't invent the GUI. Xerox already had a couple of products on the market by the time the Lisa and the Mac came on the scene and popularized it. MS did the exact same thing as Apple did, working off their innovations as much as Xerox's while adding a bit of their own. Apple popularized the tablet and greatly expanded the market, but hardly invented it. MS is copying Apple as much as Apple copied MS with the tablet back in 2002. In other words, they're not copying each other so much as building off each others ideas.

The copying argument is stupid. Stupid. STUPID!

Sorry but Xerox never marked they GUI to the public.
 
Upon farther review the Surface Pro looks more like a MacBook Air than an Ipad.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HP4qK4qJ0bQ&feature=related

http://www.theverge.com/products/surface-for-windows-8-pro/5800

http://www.apple.com/macbookair/

I know, I know that both RT and the Pro are really tablets. However the Pro from specs wise is .4 inch smaller MacBook Air. AGAIN, Apple ALREADY has a product like that. It's out in the market for about two years now.

Sure, the Surface Pro has a detachable keyboard, touch screen and probably eventually a built-in 4g wireless technology. 1. Detachable keyboard, wow, so you're going to carry two big peaces instead of one? 2. Touch screen is nice. However with the Air and it's multi-touch trackpad you can do a lot of the same things that the touch screens can do. Built-in 4g wireless technology is very nice! However with my MacBook Pro I brought a little USB modem stick and I have 4g wireless technology too.

Microsoft's new tablets aren't very original, sorry. Also when you think of the MacBook Air AND the iPad LOL! Microsoft just basically did a mix and match of the two Apple products to make their tablets.

I see nothing wrong with Microsoft trying to redefine today's tablet market, just as Apple did 2 years ago. Is there some law which states that a tablet cannot come with an integrated physical keyboards (of sorts) or a kickstand, or must look a certain way?

Or maybe Microsoft may just end up creating their own laptop/tablet hybdrid and concerning a niche market of their own. I see nothing wrong with that. The ipad is unlikely to have its own smart cover keyboard (nothing to prop up the ipad with), so it seems like Microsoft may have the advantage here, for whatever it is worth. :)
 
Sorry but Xerox never marked they GUI to the public.

Doesn't matter... Xerox invented it Apple copied it. They did something different with it, just like microsoft is doing something different with the Surface, but apple copied, period.
 
So now it's a copy of the Air and an iPad?

You're confused and here's why. It's a tablet with a full featured OS and the power to take advantage of it (if only Apple could be so innovative)... And somehow you're trying to spin that as a bad thing. Clueless.

Not sure how this is innovative when MS has been making tablets for years, and they also were running full Wind'ohs and had a x86 cpu that was just as bad as what the other PC makers were using(Wintel Macs included). So to say Apple to make something like this is just going backwards. Now to say Apple should give us something like a full USB port, and digitizer support(and not just a capacitive pen support like the current iPad or even what the Galaxy S III offers).
 
I still can't understand why so many people I know " Apple/Steve Jobs invented the tablet!!!!! "

2002....
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Almost all of those early tablet PC's would detach from a standard Laptop keyboard, with a 2nd battery, optical drive, and another hard drive even in some cases, some were even touch screen, and they ran very near full OS's.

The Microsoft surface is NOT a copy of an iPad. Its an evolution of a product Microsoft had already started with. Its just lighter, faster, and more portable.

I would say the iPad and Microsoft Surface are two totally different products intended for different markets.

Different people as well. The iPad I would say is mostly a limited content consumption device for your Joe SIx Pack, and it does that job very well. And the Display on the iPad3 is incredible, I'll give it that.

The Surface is just another step in the evolution of Microsoft's Tablet PC, its meant for more serious users who need more power and utility .

I think the iPad is a GREAT machine, abilt limited for someone like me.

I think the Surface will create its own market, it will attract people who wanted something like an iPad, but needed more power and utility.

Both are/will be great products for those who want them.
 
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Doesn't matter... Xerox invented it Apple copied it. They did something different with it, just like microsoft is doing something different with the Surface, but apple copied, period.

It does matter! Apple introduced the GUI to world PERIOD.

It's like if some Joe Smoe invents a cure for cancer but he doesn't tell anybody about it, what good is the cure? Than somebody like Stephen Hawkins fines out about the cure and actually markets it out. Then the world would credit Hawkins finding the cure for cancer because he actually gave the cure to the public.
 
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