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Microsoft Announces New 'Surface' Tablet, New Hardware and Software Based on Windows 8
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...and it was such a great thread. So many interesting discussions going on.
Oh well. It got 50,000 replies or thereabout. Guess every good thing has to end sometimes.
Oh well. It got 50,000 replies or thereabout. Guess every good thing has to end sometimes.
Yet, your iMac could be running that OS that shouldn't be installed. Unless your a true to mac and using a PPC iMac.
It's weird watching people get religious over processors. It's like getting worked up over a carburetor.
Yup. Apple fanboys are like muslim extremists like al queda.
Rabid ideology towards some meaningless brand/logo and would do anything to get it.
Nah, if that were the case you would be seeing people with the slightest criticism towards Apple or Apple products being immediately banned from the site.
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Altough I bet Apple will silently launch a iOS 7 or 8 "capable of running OSX apps" - maybe only in the iPad Pro version. In the end, Intel is the big winner in this game.
If I were Apple, I would release a 13inch tablet with the Air specs. That would beat the Surface pro simply because using a full OS is better on a 13inch vs a 11inch while staying portable. And with the extra space, they could also fit a better battery.
More like prepubescent teens playing WoW. My bet is that most Apple bigot on here are very young and never had the chance to really work on a pc.
Bitching an OS is stupid. However I would bitch a lot if I had to work on a 2.2 quad when a 2.8 is available from another brand. Fight for hardware, not software. Both OS run the same goddam softwares!
More like prepubescent teens playing WoW. My bet is that most Apple bigot on here are very young and never had the chance to really work on a pc.
Bitching an OS is stupid. However I would bitch a lot if I had to work on a 2.2 quad when a 2.8 is available from another brand. Fight for hardware, not software. Both OS run the same goddam softwares!
Uh ? I'm pretty sure the PC Market we have today was created when Microsoft bought DOS from a small Seattle company and licensed it to IBM to create the open architecture that is known today as the PC. This was back when Apple, Atari, Altair and other computer vendors were stuck selling incompatible architectures/OSes for the personal computer.
It could be argued though that it was actually Compaq that made the current PC market, when they reversed engineered IBM's BIOS, enabling them to also license DOS from Microsoft (which had been wise not to outright sell it to IBM) and sell IBM Compatible PCs (that's where the term originates from btw...)
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Sure they did. 20k$ got you one of these beasts :
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Why would anyone want to use one of those old obsolete POSes ? The Intel Macs are so much better, quieter, faster with better battery life.
If you're true to Mac, you're insane anyway. Right tool for the job. Brand loyalty doesn't pay off.
This has been an interesting, though sometimes silly, sometimes sad thread. As someone who prefers Macs and gets most of my work done in that world, I've not been convinced that I need to run out and buy one of these. But that said, the move by Microsoft is a good one. They've turned up their cleverness a notch or two and for those who prefer or need Windows, it will likely be a good platform if Microsoft executes well.
I'd like to see Apple step up the storage options on the iPad and would love expanded port capabilities (without destroying the form and curves of course
). I'm sure someone is beavering away on a similar keyboard to that on the Surface pro, though that holds no real interest for me - I'd probably buy an Air if I needed a keyboard a great deal of the time. But that's just me. And with the convergence of ios and Mac OS X, which gets a lot of negative press on this forum but which I personally like and for which similar features are praised in Windows 8, it's likely only a matter of time before continued evolution of the tablet/laptop world it the Mac realm. And if the Surface can act as a catalyst, more power to it.
I'd like to see Apple step up the storage options on the iPad and would love expanded port capabilities (without destroying the form and curves of course
). I'm sure someone is beavering away on a similar keyboard to that on the Surface pro, though that holds no real interest for me - I'd probably buy an Air if I needed a keyboard a great deal of the time. But that's just me. And with the convergence of ios and Mac OS X, which gets a lot of negative press on this forum but which I personally like and for which similar features are praised in Windows 8, it's likely only a matter of time before continued evolution of the tablet/laptop world it the Mac realm. And if the Surface can act as a catalyst, more power to it.
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@r.harris1: Well said! And very civil of you.
The Macbook Air is indeed the answer if someone want portability and a full OS.
I also am not interested much in the Surface keyboard. I I'd need a keyboard, I would get an ultrabook like the Air or the Zenbook. However I am burning to try the pen. If it's anything like a wacom digitaizer, it's going to be great working on my animations with the Surface. I use After Effects on a daily basis and keyframing animations in my bed or couch, the same way I now use my ipad, will be fantastic.
The Macbook Air is indeed the answer if someone want portability and a full OS.
I also am not interested much in the Surface keyboard. I I'd need a keyboard, I would get an ultrabook like the Air or the Zenbook. However I am burning to try the pen. If it's anything like a wacom digitaizer, it's going to be great working on my animations with the Surface. I use After Effects on a daily basis and keyframing animations in my bed or couch, the same way I now use my ipad, will be fantastic.
Or at least more Bluetooth profiles. Right now I can count the number of BT devices that can be connected on one hand.[snip]
I'd like to see Apple step up the storage options on the iPad and would love expanded port capabilities (without destroying the form and curves of course
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gizmodo seems to think the pens is pressure sensitive.
"Surface uses a new manufacturing processVaporMgthat reduces its weight while keeping it strong. That process also allows for a built-in kickstand, which is invisible when using the product in tablet mode. It may seem obvious, but it's innovative and enables its laptop mode easily. The same happens with the use of the cover as a keyboardwith its own design breakthroughs. And again with the combination of multi-touch and pressure sensitive pen technology in the Pro model. This is something that you can't find built in any tablet or computer today."
http://gizmodo.com/5919521/microsof...tm_medium=email
"Surface uses a new manufacturing processVaporMgthat reduces its weight while keeping it strong. That process also allows for a built-in kickstand, which is invisible when using the product in tablet mode. It may seem obvious, but it's innovative and enables its laptop mode easily. The same happens with the use of the cover as a keyboardwith its own design breakthroughs. And again with the combination of multi-touch and pressure sensitive pen technology in the Pro model. This is something that you can't find built in any tablet or computer today."
http://gizmodo.com/5919521/microsof...tm_medium=email
I bought my MacBook Pro not because I hated my PC, but because I wanted to use a piece of software that was more stable on a Mac (Serato Scratch Live). In addition, the battery life was significantly better, but I paid $300 more for my 13" i5 MacBook Pro than I could've for a 17" quad-core i7 ASUS with 2GB of GDDR5 Graphics.
I never, not once, ever had a problem with Windows. No viruses (because I'm smart enough to use Antivirus and not browse Russian porn sites), and extraordinarily minimal system crashes. In fact, I bootcamped Windows 7 Ultimate on my Mac so I could continue to use FL studio which still isn't (and probably never will be due to the original programming language they used) available on Mac.
This is where I think the Surface has the potential to be pretty good. The iPad may have ushered in the "post PC era" but the Surface will allow people to actually get major work done on a tablet comfortably.
My man Knight dropping knowledge like it's HOT!
With the major plusses, I think that's one small minus. It'd been nice to have LTE, but you can always get the hotspot as a work around, and have the added benefit of being able to connect everyone in your business meeting on the beach to the Internet.
I've got a bunch of 6 year old 8 core Mac Pros and it takes some effort to keep those running. I also have a few 8 year old HP workstations with Xeon chips in them running Windows 7 64bit smooth as butter.
Basically that point is extremely MOOT when you take into consideration that no one knows how someone takes care of their Mac or PC. Or how capable the user is at doing such. The Mac Pros are in the student labs, so they are abused day to day, and the HPs where in the graduate labs, and we took extra care in maintaining them.
Then, to add even more pain, I have a Bondi Blue iMac still kickin' it with Oregon Trail and a Gateway AIO from 2003 that has 32 bit Windows 7 on it working just fine.
Those points do work well as FUD and propaganda though.
I do have a PPC iMac, but thats not the one I'm typing this on.
I have a couple of PPC machines ( 7 ). I like them because most of them look pretty cool. I still use my G4 Powerbook from time to time.
To bad PPC machines are slow, run hot, are out dated. Full of holes as well. And can't really do anything useful. Even my Quad 2.5 G5 is pretty limited in what it can do. Maybe my PC workstation and PC gaming tower just spoil me? With the crappy ability to run new software? That's pretty much why my 2011 iMac sucks to. It can run new software, and who would want that?
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I wouldn't call them POS's. I do have 7 of them, tho I didn't go out and buy them because " OH MY GOD POWERPC IS DIFFERENT RAWRZZZZ " They just kinda piled up over the years. The only one I bought for the " COOL " is my Pismo, because. Its super cool looking, SSD, gig of ram. after market battery, 900mzh upgrade. I'm good to go when I'm not working. Plus its not so bad not carrying around my 11 pound Alienware lol.
The only ones I actually really use are the Pismo, and the Quad 2.5 on a consistent basis's ( I have software that Rosetta just doesn't like, and I really don't feel like going out and buying the outdated Windows versions of old software lol )
But true that, the Intel Switch was a big plus for Apple. Vast improvement.
I would call any PC released in 2005 a POS. Not because of its lack of quality when it was released, but because by 2012 standards, they are severely lacking.
Oh yes, absolutely. Now they are crap, not when they were new. That's kinda what I was getting at. I have a ton of old computers, but I don't really use them very much. Because in a computing sense. Newer is better.
The whole PowerPC crowd, I swear to god they see something like a G5, see that its big and shiny with some big heat sinks, then think its still fast
Sometimes when I'm forced to use my old Quad 2.5 G5 ( Some of our older Simulation Software runs on PowerPC, back in the days when we actually used Macs in Addition to our Windows and Linux Machines )and some of our clients still depend on this software, that's why I keep it in my cubical. ) to make a large simulation, even with old software is like pulling teeth with a fountain pen. Ugh
You are not alone in your thinking.
Acer says Microsoft's move against Apple will fail
http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-57459239-94/acer-says-microsofts-move-against-apple-will-fail/
Microsoft Partner Acer Says Surface Will Sink
http://allthingsd.com/20120622/microsoft-partner-acer-says-surface-will-sink/