Will apps that are for Metro have to compiled for both ARM and X86? Or from the consumer stand point why isn't my ARM based Surface or W8 device not working with my favorite software? I thought Windows, was Windows? Will MS make a point that their old software will not work with their W8 ARM device, in marketing, before purchasing, and after purchasing(i.e. in software)? Another question could be, which is more of a priority for MS, ARM cpus, or x86, which sort of has this we have to support it only because that is what our key users(not consumers, but actually, business and education market) are use to. Is ARM the planned successor for them, or will both architectures lead the way for them? One could go on with the many questions.
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Will apps that are for Metro have to compiled for both ARM and X86? Or from the consumer stand point why isn't my ARM based Surface or W8 device not working with my favorite software? I thought Windows, was Windows? Will MS make a point that their old software will not work with their W8 ARM device, in marketing, before purchasing, and after purchasing(i.e. in software)? Another question could be, which is more of a priority for MS, ARM cpus, or x86, which sort of has this we have to support it only because that is what our key users(not consumers, but actually, business and education market) are use to. Is ARM the planned successor for them, or will both architectures lead the way for them? One could go on with the many questions.
Then by this statement Apple is even below pathetic. They haven't sold 100 million computers in their entire existence. Windows 7 is the largest selling operation system in the world. Period. End of story. Twist it anyway you like. Deal with it. It's ok, you can still like your Apple products. I'm just stating the facts. It's not my problem that you can't handle them.
Your right it's pathetic to be able to (this year) make almost twice the profit with such a small number. It's pathetic that every product except the PC, Apple has made Microsoft a joke. I use Windows 7 too but we are not talking about 7. We are talking about 8.
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I think all the architecture issues with W8 will lead people to stay on their current OS(more than likely XP or W7) and ultimately lead people to move to either the iPad, OSX, and even and Android device where things are a bit more defined and clear.
Well.. you might say Unix/Linux is a major OS, but its very true that MS has built dominance in the area. There used to be many more companies in the game.
Microsoft must be doing something right, especially with Windows 7, since Mac is not increasing its relative market share. Still in single digits even after the admittedly weaker Vista. If Microsoft was producing bad OS' you'd think that given Apples profile in the consumer market, they'd be gaining. They are not.
The Xbox 360 is a failure? Its the market leader by a long distance, and is seriously profitable.
Microsoft is the one with the innovative design including hardware these days; just look at the ultra thin ultra rigid magnesium case tech. No one has anything like it. The printed keyboard tech with ultra fast and precise response allowing a case-as-keyboard in a mils-thick package.
Making this Apple vs. Microsoft is pure FUD. Microsoft aren't the same company they were even 3 years ago. They have great design and a serious QA focus. The Surface is a seriously polished product for a 3+ month prototype.
Most of your anti-windows 8 arguments rely on the fact that its a touch aware product, where a lot of the market is not touch hardware. You can use, by default, the (incredibly successful and liked) Windows 7 style desktop... and fwiw the metro interface does work just fine with kb/mouse. You only need a few days to get comfortable. Quicker than the average new UI, in other words.
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Wrong. There are no "architecture issues". Windows 8 has a common core.
Metro apps all come from the App store, and you only get the correct version when you access the App store. And since you can compile both x86 and ARM with a checkbox, both versions will be available, transparently.
If people buy a new PC, its going to come with Windows 8. And a lot of hardware will come out, because its a "sexy" OS (as far as OS' go.)
Due to the shared architecture, desktop is going to halo mobile for apps, and the great mobile hardware is going to halo for the desktop OS adoption.
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This all happens transparently for the user (App Store), and is trivial for a developer (Visual Studio.) Complete non-issue.
Apple makes all its money on the iToys, not so much with the computers.
I would hardly call Microsoft a joke. A 230 Billion dollar net worth, and they profit billions every quarter. They are the king of the OS World, King of business computing, king of the home computer, and king of the console's..
Not sure how that's a joke?
Yeah sure, apple is worth 300 billion, and has about 100 billion in cash.
It must suck to be Microsoft, only being worth 230 billion, and ONLY have about 69 Billion in cash, poor bastards.
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That is a fair point, but you forget the many users who will still go to their favorite applications site to download an app, which where the problem arises, specially for those apps that are not in the app store or linked to open up the app store when they try to download it. You know it is going to happen to a lot of people, specially people who are less knowledgeable about W8 or computers in general, and are use to the old way of doing things.
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A bit ot, but is the Xbox line king of consoles? I thought it would be Sony, with the PlayStation line? I guess I'm mistaken then?
Sony used to be the king. The ps3 really has been unable to replicate the same utter domination the ps1 and 2 had
The only ones who are worried are worried because it may be a huge hit and also give iOS some competition.
Explain to me why...
this (my current start menu setup)
...only works for touch based input? What about it is inherently bad for a mouse and a keyboard?
See above.
Metro apps are Metro apps, regardless of platform. As has been stated many times by this point, they share the same API. You program for one platform, you've already done 99% of the programming required for the other.
Superficially. The start menu is full screen now, but it still serves the same purpose. You're still using it to do file searches and launch applications.
I'll tell you one thing, if Win8 fails, it won't be for the same reasons ME and Vista failed. In it's unfinished state, Win8 is already faster, smoother, thinner than the already solid and speedy Windows 7. It won't have the driver and hardware issues Vista faced coming out the gates. And it's hardly the halfassed teetotal mess ME was. If it fails, it'll only be because MS didn't market it right.
....which is very much a possibility, because MS does kinda suck at marketing. This is as opposed to Apple who, as good as their products generally are, are very much the kings of hype and slick presentation. They could sell iPads to the Amish if they tried.
Also Windows 2000 was and still is considered by many to be the best OS Microsoft ever put out. Hardly a flop.
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Nope. There is no disabling Metro. It's there forever and ever, and MS wants you to get used to it.
Windows 8 has a ton of new features compared to Windows 7 dude.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Features_new_to_Windows_8
Yeah win2k wasn't really marketed towards the average joe consumer. It was however a VERY stable and lean OS. I actually ran it for quite some time even after XP came out, but I'm a gamer and eventually upgraded to XP mainly because of DX9 support which win2k lacked.
The only info I could find was this how-to geek article.
A ton of time spent on very little payoff if you ask me. 10 minutes worth of work just save you the 1.5 seconds it takes you to boot up and click the Desktop tile.
Nintendo, with the Wii/DS/3DS is this generation. Sony caught up to the 360 with the PS3 (or is pretty close), but their numbers on the PS2 far trump the original Xbox.
Microsoft ain't king of crap in the world of video game consoles right now.
Well let's be honest, hanhelds blow.
Really? I thought the ps3 did terribly? Lack of any good exclusive games worth playing from what I heard.
L O L ! Sony NEVER caught up with Microsoft, the xbox 360 is probably the top selling console worldwide
Nintendo is going to get pretty hurt next generation....
Get your facts straight before talking out of your ass.L O L ! Sony NEVER caught up with Microsoft, the xbox 360 is probably the top selling console worldwide
Nintendo is going to get pretty hurt next generation....
Wii is the most sold current gen console so far. Xbox 360 is the second most, but PS3 has been closing that gap, despite the fact that it was launched a year after Xbox 360.
Name well known exclusive Xbox 360 games. PS3 has what? God of War, Uncharted, Metal Gear Solid, Ratchet and Clank, Killzone, etc...
Xbox has what? Gears of War and.... Halo... thats about it.
The goal posts they moveth. Anyway just the Wii alone outsells the Xbox 360 and original Xbox put together. So moot point, even if we don't count the DS/3DS.
L O L ! Sony NEVER caught up with Microsoft, the xbox 360 is probably the top selling console worldwide
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I'd say that's pretty caught up, especially with 1 year less on the market.
No need to get religious, just like Apple vs everyone else, let's keep it objective when it comes to console. Anyway, who is winning or not is moot, they all sold pretty solid numbers of units and everyone with any of the 3 enjoys them.
The goal posts they moveth. Anyway just the Wii alone outsells the Xbox 360 and original Xbox put together. So moot point, even if we don't count the DS/3DS.
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I'd say that's pretty caught up, especially with 1 year less on the market.
Oh, I didn't know it was that close.
I don't own any console newer than a gamecube.
For me, a console is a compromise. And you know I don't compromise.
Now THAT'S the most important observation about this product, and one that I hadn't realized until I read this comment (even though it's 150% obvious in retrospect... I have my slow days sometimes!) since Microsoft will truly have a chance to make a fully integrated device, with control over the software and hardware and essentially all aspects of the device...it had better be a good (if not great) device! It's performance will reflect very strongly back on Microsoft. If it's a crappy tablet, it'll be a huge fail for microsoft...
For the sake of healthy competition that will drive innovation, I do hope the tablet does well...
I'm sure there will be a good number of apps when it launchs.
The x86 version will run most windows programs. Which means it wil have a couple million at launch. Considering windows 8 is stoll mostly compatiable with anything made to run on 3.1