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I doubt it. MS doesn't seem to understand some of the standard preferences that creatives have for drawing screens like that, thus the fairly limited drafting table approach.

The "drafting table angle" is what my best friend (illustrator) and my sister (2d animator/concept artist) use on their cintiqs everyday for work, along with numerous coworkers. MS understands exactly how people use these devices.
 
Isn't the case? https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...-apple-1-billion-to-keep-search-bar-on-iphone

Glad you can change your browser. Millions of other iPhone users don't know how to or wont bother even if they did, which is what both Apple and Google are counting on to keep the privacy-invading $$$ largess coming in. So much for Apple caring about its users' privacy.

And that works precisely because people don't care.
Without going into philosophical arguments, that's often because they don't have a good enough reason to care.

People who have reason to care (and that includes presidential candidates' staffers, etc), should usually do take appropriate action.

When we are talking about a product being "good enough" for the average user, I always assume we are talking about the rest, the non-caring majority.
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And I turned off telemetry on my Windows 10 installation.

So can it be turned off or not?
Not being a Windows user, I don't even care enough to Google myself.
 
In that case you buy a Pro or Enterprise license, or use a different operating system.
You'll also want to hire an IT consultant to make sure everything is compliant.

I use Pro, it sends data back to Microsoft.

Enterprise is not available for a small law firm or small accounting firm or small medical practice or dental practice of psychiatry practice, ie one with less than 10 employees.

The IT Guys can't stop a lot of the stuff Microsoft does without getting Enterprise. Again why would you pay 800/year for 4 licencees?

In that case you buy a Pro or Enterprise license, or use a different operating system.
If you are running for office, you'll also want your IT manager to teach you the basics of safe computing and your staff will tell you what not to do when you are not in front of a computer (it's a long list).

The idea of "challenging the government" wouldn't have my support, but if you are onew of those guys, it's Trisquel all the way.

Again you wouldn't use that for your home office. You can't justify the cost.

In that case you buy a Pro or Enterprise license, or use a different operating system.
You also avoid connecting to the internet altogether.

So either you spend $800/year on Enterprise version, or you don't have a normal life like everyone else.

Basically what you are suggesting here is we have no right to privacy and if someone is harassing us either put up with it and hope it doesn't become something more or allow that person to prevent you from living a normal life. Nice choices.

In the 21st century, what you are suggesting is akin to moving far away, to some remote, isolated part of the globe, and living off the land.
 
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How about we wait until tomorrow before we start comparing this to Apple's current offerings? Is it that hard to wait one day?
Based on rumors a lackluster event for laptops with long overdue spec bump and removal of physical keys. So yes we shall talk about Microsofts exciting product launch. Microsoft is beating Apple at its own game.
 
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When ever I've seen their products no matter what the backdrops are, or where ever they are displayed, I always get an uncomfortable feeling of sickness and hospital waiting rooms, clinics and stearial stearial engineering and design. Ick.... Anyone else feel that when you look at this photos especially? Hospitals? No?
 
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I use the PRO, it sends data back to Microsoft. Enterprise is not available for a small law firm, ie one with less than 10 employees. Even the IT Guys can't stop a lot of the stuff Microsoft does without getting Enterprise.

I don't know what the regulations in your country are, but... hire a firm to set up your stuff so that it complies to the regulations. If you need to move away from Windows entirely so be it.
Not my problem and not really yours either.
Are you a lawyer or a network administrator? :)

Again you wouldn't use that for your home office.

You mean... Trisquel?
Of course not: I'm not insane and/or Richard Stallman.
(However, I do use Fedora on my main workstation, which is not too different)

In fact, I would probably rather use Windows 10 than Trisquel on my home computer, but either one would be my choice.

So either you spend $800/year on Enterprise version, or you don't have a normal life like everyone else.

If you are a presidential candidate and/or are staging a coup and/or are in hiding, you pretty clearly do not have a normal life like everyone else.

Basically what you are suggesting here is we have no right to privacy and if someone is harassing us either put up with it and hope it doesn't become something more or allow that person to prevent you from living a normal life. Nice choices.

Quite the opposite.
I'm suggesting that you should have a right to privacy if you wish so.
What you don't have is a right to buy a product and have it working your way instead of the way the manufacturer intended.
You usually do have a right to return it, though.

I am also saying that, for the average user, being concerned about Windows collecting anonymized usage data for marketing and engineering purposes approaches hardcore tinfoiling in my opinion, and I find it can only make sense only as part of a generalized paranoia.
 
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Not sure what you did with yours, but we owned two at the time, a 17" and a 20" unit, and we never had a problem with the necks (or any other part for that matter), not even loose. I think that thick and solid neck was probably the most sturdy part of the whole iMac.
By broke I mean it stopped holding up the screen. It would just go to the lowest position. Owned a couple of them and both necks wore out from normal use. Didn't do anything crazy to it.
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$2299 is the highest STANDARD configuration for the 5k iMac. Anything beyond that is priced with add-on costs that are intentionally steep due to customization and profit considerations. However, if Apple wanted to include the higher specs you're talking about as STANDARD, then the price would be significantly less than $3400.
Dude ... the prices being compared are for comparing similar specs. Dunno what point you're even trying to make.
 
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These look really nice. Starting to catch up to apple in terms of design

Absolutely not, far from even close. Design? Microsoft? No. They have a long and tretcurous road ahead of them to even come close to the opulent and flawless design of Apple. It's comparing Wally-world to well, Swiss Army.
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I have to say, Surface Studio is really appealing to me. I hope Apple will at least mention something about iMac, or Mac Pro tomorrow...

You betcha they will announce everything Mac :D
 
Well, since the numbers seem to show that for every OSX user, there are about 20 Windows users, your definition of "no-one" needs a little work.

http://netmarketshare.com/operating-system-market-share.aspx?qprid=10&qpcustomd=0

And for every smart person I know, I know twenty dumb ones. The operative part of my statement was ‘would ever want to’ (use Windows).

A few points:

• Most people I know who now use Windows only do so because they have to. Usually because they’re running some specialist software, or their employer hasn’t cottoned on that Macs are much cheaper to own in the long run (see IBM’s experience, and I imagine they know a bit about computers). Windows 10 seems to be particularly reviled among Windows users. Windows users always seem to moan constantly about their machines.

• The only group I can identify that solidly prefer Windows are gamers who build their own machines with high-spec graphics cards.

• User numbers don’t equal earnings: Apple’s machines occupy a high-end niche and profitability that Windows can only dream of. Perhaps these new machines will regain some of the ground.

• Having used Macs since 1985 (and Windows when forced) I can honestly say I have never known, or known of, anyone who has willingly switched from Mac to Windows. Whereas switching from Windows to Mac among high end/ higher earning users is now commonplace.

• The less affluent can only afford cheap PCs; the less well informed think they are somehow a bargain.

• MS under Balmer was driven into the lowest-common dominator, housing-estate/project world of personal computers. Hopefully Nadella doesn’t have the ego, charisma and aesthetic appreciation of a used car salesman.

Trust that clears things up.
 
The version with i7, 2TB hybrid drive, 32gb memory and 4GB graphics memory is $4199.

By comparison a MacPro Refurb 3.5Ghz 6 core Xeon E5 (much faster), 16gb memory, and 256GB PCIe Flash storage (much faster), and 3GB of VRAM is only $3399 (no display, wacom)

Used / Refurbished Apple Mac Pro Cylinder Six Core/3.5 GHz
  • 32 GB of RAM
  • 512 GB internal Solid State Drive
  • no keyboard
  • Airport Extreme and Bluetooth installed
  • Dual AMD FirePro D700 6GB VRAM each
  • OS 10.9.5 installed
  • MacPro6.1-6: Apple Model No. equivalent: MD878LL/A
  • $4319

I'd be cool if you could show us the benchmarks for the "much faster" statements you've made (2013 Ivy Bridge vs whatever is in the new surface studio, and the HD comparisons).
 
Based on rumors a lackluster event for laptops with long overdue spec bump and removal of physical keys. So yes we shall talk about Microsofts exciting product launch. Microsoft is beating Apple at its own game.

So the Magic Bar that can be customized per app and TouchID doesn't excite you? Also A10X coming to the Macbook?
Plus some special surprises?

What about that we know all Macs are getting Thunderbolt 3?
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And for every smart person I know, I know twenty dumb ones. The operative part of my statement was ‘would ever want to’ (use Windows).

A few points:

• Most people I know who now use Windows only do so because they have to. Usually because they’re running some specialist software, or their employer hasn’t cottoned on that Macs are much cheaper to own in the long run (see IBM’s experience, and I imagine they know a bit about computers). Windows 10 seems to be particularly reviled among Windows users. Windows users always seem to moan constantly about their machines.

• The only group I can identify that solidly prefer Windows are gamers who build their own machines with high-spec graphics cards.

• User numbers don’t equal earnings: Apple’s machines occupy a high-end niche and profitability that Windows can only dream of. Perhaps these new machines will regain some of the ground.

• Having used Macs since 1985 (and Windows when forced) I can honestly say I have never known, or known of, anyone who has willingly switched from Mac to Windows. Whereas switching from Windows to Mac among high end/ higher earning users is now commonplace.

• The less affluent can only afford cheap PCs; the less well informed think they are somehow a bargain.

• MS under Balmer was driven into the lowest-common dominator, housing-estate/project world of personal computers. Hopefully Nadella doesn’t have the ego, charisma and aesthetic appreciation of a used car salesman.

Trust that clears things up.

Savage.
 
Sorry bout the kool aid comment earlier. went back and re-read and it was mis applied.
No worries, man.

as for no 10xx's series in this, sounds like the R&D likely started months ago, if not longer, and they stayed focused on what their original design and parts were. The mobile versions of the 10 series was only announced around 2 months or less ago (would have to look it up). And while we have some manufacturers starting to release laptosp with them, could just be that Microsoft didn't want to change the internals till they got it out the door first.

Likely we'll see a refresh in 6 months or a year that bring us up to Kaby Lake and 10 series GPU's. and Maybe even a price reduction as costs come down
That's most likely the reason. Since the 1080 chips aren't mobile versions in smaller devices, they are quite powerful. This is a great time for GPUs.
 
I like the designs of the PC's - but, man Microsoft has to get their act together with their hi-dpi support in Windows 10 - with that sort of a high density pixel resolution on that Surface Studio PC - Windows has to look the part. Ever tried Windows 10 on a 5K iMac? Don't. It looks horrible. Scaling is not supported throughout programs. Not 3rd party at least, meaning you get teeny tiny toolbar icons more often than not.
 
You didn't find 50% of the presenters boring? Meyerson & Nadella are especially guilty of blathering nonsense fluff. Panos as usual was the high point.
Oh I found it boring. I was just making a joke regarding falling asleep twice and that it could be a medical concern. Again ... only joking.
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You can disable all of Microsoft's telemetry in the enterprise version of Windows 10. Ready to talk now?
You can use this to disable all of it as well ~> https://www.safer-networking.org/spybot-anti-beacon/
 
The surface studio looks really cool, even if I'm not the typical user. MS have been on top of their game lately. Win 10 is much better than its reputation as well. I just use it as a game driver, but it has been running flawlessly.
 
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Still runs windows... xD

Which, these days, isn't a bad thing. I think many would even agree that Windows is on the upswing and the macOS is declining.

And for every smart person I know, I know twenty dumb ones. The operative part of my statement was ‘would ever want to’ (use Windows).

A few points:

• Most people I know who now use Windows only do so because they have to. Usually because they’re running some specialist software, or their employer hasn’t cottoned on that Macs are much cheaper to own in the long run (see IBM’s experience, and I imagine they know a bit about computers). Windows 10 seems to be particularly reviled among Windows users. Windows users always seem to moan constantly about their machines.

• The only group I can identify that solidly prefer Windows are gamers who build their own machines with high-spec graphics cards.

• User numbers don’t equal earnings: Apple’s machines occupy a high-end niche and profitability that Windows can only dream of. Perhaps these new machines will regain some of the ground.

• Having used Macs since 1985 (and Windows when forced) I can honestly say I have never known, or known of, anyone who has willingly switched from Mac to Windows. Whereas switching from Windows to Mac among high end/ higher earning users is now commonplace.

• The less affluent can only afford cheap PCs; the less well informed think they are somehow a bargain.

• MS under Balmer was driven into the lowest-common dominator, housing-estate/project world of personal computers. Hopefully Nadella doesn’t have the ego, charisma and aesthetic appreciation of a used car salesman.

Trust that clears things up.

I find it absolutely hilarious when people feel the need to point out how they are such experts about what everyone wants, and that they, just one person, somehow knows millions of people and what they like or want (or that the one or two they do know somehow equate to everyone).

Not only are most of these points biased and based on personal opinions (and some are just rude), none of them make a hill of beans of truth.

But thanks for sharing your thoughts. :rolleyes:
 
The Surface studio looks glorious for photographer / artist.

I want one. But, not with the internals. Someone needs to create a stand-alone monitor with all this functionality, but without the actual internals.

I'd still rather keep with my legit desktop than an All-in-one. But a surface display with the dial, and the pen spport would be nce

Yep, unfortunately the one advantage of having windows is being able to upgrade the hardware in any old box. The UI, screen etc is great and all but it really isn't the computer as such. If they released the screen etc of the surface studio as a standalone i could see many many more people buying it to compliment their heavy investment they already have in a high end machine. I don't see anyone buying such a high priced bit of windows hardware and an all in one at that!

The surface book design is horrid as usual. The whole concept is poor. MS should have just made a laptop end of.

The surface is just not a very good tablet, missing any kind of app ecosystem that is devoted to touch. It's failure all over.

Honestly the surface studio is at first glance a future of computing made flesh. However you will never see anyone using one in any setting guaranteed. The concept of a large home computer is defunct even in office spaces. Unless it has some serious high end gaming specs it's DOA.
 
And for every smart person I know, I know twenty dumb ones. The operative part of my statement was ‘would ever want to’ (use Windows).

A few points:

• Most people I know who now use Windows only do so because they have to. Usually because they’re running some specialist software, or their employer hasn’t cottoned on that Macs are much cheaper to own in the long run (see IBM’s experience, and I imagine they know a bit about computers). Windows 10 seems to be particularly reviled among Windows users. Windows users always seem to moan constantly about their machines.

• The only group I can identify that solidly prefer Windows are gamers who build their own machines with high-spec graphics cards.

• User numbers don’t equal earnings: Apple’s machines occupy a high-end niche and profitability that Windows can only dream of. Perhaps these new machines will regain some of the ground.

• Having used Macs since 1985 (and Windows when forced) I can honestly say I have never known, or known of, anyone who has willingly switched from Mac to Windows. Whereas switching from Windows to Mac among high end/ higher earning users is now commonplace.

• The less affluent can only afford cheap PCs; the less well informed think they are somehow a bargain.

• MS under Balmer was driven into the lowest-common dominator, housing-estate/project world of personal computers. Hopefully Nadella doesn’t have the ego, charisma and aesthetic appreciation of a used car salesman.

Trust that clears things up.

Well, now you know one...The only thing keeping me on a Mac is my employer. How can a company so "revolutionary" be selling computers with outdated hardware (like 3 years outdated). Beef aside, Apple makes a nice product and operating system...though with every update I have to let the dust settle or accept the fact my dev process has a high potential to need some fixing. ;)
 
I don't know what the regulations in your country are, but... hire a firm to set up your stuff so that it complies to the regulations. If you need to move away from Windows entirely so be it.
Not my problem and not really yours either.
Are you a lawyer or a network administrator? :)

I'm a Lawyer.

The ABA, the CBA and every State Bar Association and Provincial Law Society in North America require you to maintain the privacy of your clients. The same is true in British, Australian, and New Zeland Law Societies. Maintain your client's privacy. From everyone, including Apple, Microsoft etc.

To make it even more complicated, most lawyers cannot leave the Windows universe because most of the software we used is only published for Windows. Good example, in Ontario, land titles can only be brought up using Terraview, a piece of software which only runs on Windows.

How about P.C. Law and Amicus Attorney, are the only software approved for management of trust accounts. Windows only software.

Right now, I get around it using my Windows 7 (as advised by my IT Guy), but the clock is ticking.
 
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• Having used Macs since 1985 (and Windows when forced) I can honestly say I have never known, or known of, anyone who has willingly switched from Mac to Windows. Whereas switching from Windows to Mac among high end/ higher earning users is now commonplace.

Hi, I did.
Circa at the time of 10.7, after having owned a 3rd gen iBook G3 (the horrible model with the endless stream of PMU and Ati GPU issues) and a Powerbook G4 I switched to an Asus laptop, and after that I got a series of Thinkpads.
Never ever gamed once and never ever bought <$900 machines.

The straw that broke the camel's back was spending the equivalent of $300 for replacing the whole top case to fix a problem with a "sticky" trackpad button and having to send the machine in again after three days because of a GPU failure.
With a deadline approaching and only non-Mac machines available to complete my work.

Is OS X a super nice operating system? Sure!
Can I live without it if I get actually working, user-serviceable hardware in return?
Oh, damn sure.
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I'm a Lawyer.
Right now, I get around it using my Windows 7 (as advised by my IT Guy), but the clock is ticking.

That's wise.
I suppose everything's fine, then.

When Windows 7 won't be supported any longer either Microsoft will have start selling you Enterprise versions and/or all American lawyers will switch to Ubuntu by necessity (I would almost like to see that) :)
 
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What Apple could have done for iMac, and in fact I described YEARS AGO, if anyone there still gave a **** about innovating their desktop line-up.

My buddy told me back in 2008 when I first proposed this design for a new iMac with, "They'll never do that. Well, we were both right.
 
Based on rumors a lackluster event for laptops with long overdue spec bump and removal of physical keys. So yes we shall talk about Microsofts exciting product launch. Microsoft is beating Apple at its own game.
Edit - I was wrong about release date.

This is cool and exciting. In real life is a little awkward because table height for sitting does not transition to draft table height even if device goes flat. But could be workable. Clearly MS has been thinking hard. Good on them.
 
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and/or all American lawyers will switch to Ubuntu by necessity (I would almost like to see that) :)
Linux is fine, I used it on and off for the last 20 years, but, OMG, linux users are an annoying patronizing bunch, they make Apple and MS users look like Buddha.
 
Still runs windows... xD
Doesn't matter if you spend most of your day as a designer using e.g. Adobe. Those programs have been identical in features and workflow on both Mac and Windows for years now.

You have to go way back in time for Macs to have any real edge when it comes to that kind of work if you look beyond the placebo effect that seems to be a part of the DNA of some designers.
 
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