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Fake story :rolleyes:
Why would someone turn down a "bucket of money?" WHY? Are they that loyal to Apple... seems more like they're Apple's [female dog]. Stupid.
 
Fake story :rolleyes:
Why would someone turn down a "bucket of money?" WHY? Are they that loyal to Apple... seems more like they're Apple's [female dog]. Stupid.

Or maybe they just don't want to help Microsoft. There's this thing called principals and sometimes, they don't make sens to the outside observer.
 
Zune HD is an impressive device, especially under the hood. More impressive tech wise than the iPod Touch and I think it looks better than it too. Not to mention the slick UI. Makes the iPhone/iPod UI look outdated.
 
Zune HD is an impressive device, especially under the hood. More impressive tech wise than the iPod Touch and I think it looks better than it too. Not to mention the slick UI. Makes the iPhone/iPod UI look outdated.

I agree, I posted a video of the Zune HD in action in post #262 and nobody bothered to look at it. Instead they continue with their childish insults. If you watched the video you would realise this player with Tegra under the hood is going to be a wonderfull media device in a different league than the Itouch.
 
I agree, I posted a video of the Zune HD in action in post #262 and nobody bothered to look at it. Instead they continue with their childish insults. If you watched the video you would realise this player with Tegra under the hood is going to be a wonderfull media device in a different league than the Itouch.

Same here. I posted the video of Zune HD connected to an HDTV before and I will post it again.

http://vimeo.com/6096791

HD Video, HD radio, pics, music, podcasts, possibility of using it as a games console, netflix. It's a pretty nice piece of kit.
 
MS Copying Apple? Again? what a shock

This headline emphasizes very succinctly my whole philosophy about who I reward with my consumer $$$.

Whenever possible....reward innovation, not imitiation.
 
Same video:D, From what i've read about Tegra it has the capability to play 1080p HD video. Maybe the immense size of these files is the reason MS is going with 720P max. Most people wont notice the difference anyway especially on a set smaller than "50.
 
This headline emphasizes very succinctly my whole philosophy about who I reward with my consumer $$$.

Whenever possible....reward innovation, not imitiation.

The Zune Hd looks nothing like the Ipod it plays HD video and HD radio and has few more features the ipod doesn't. It looks like MS is the innovater if you ask me.
 
The Zune Hd looks nothing like the Ipod it plays HD video and HD radio and has few more features the ipod doesn't. It looks like MS is the innovater if you ask me.

it can output HD to 720p (something the iPod can't and may never do) and your right it plays HD-Radio whitch, if your an actual owner of a HD radio system. sounds a whole lot better then standard FM/am radio. (my Sony ipod dock has HD radio on it)

I do like the over all look of the Zune HD. The stainless steal backing adds a nice touch, something I wish apple would get in to instead of having the old chrome backing or silly unibody. Unibody is nice, and I hope it makes it in to the touch, but the Zune HD's over all look is nicer. (sometimes thickness is a good thing.)
 
That logo sucks ass

If you know it is a Zune, with a Z, then look at the logo from the right angle without drinking too much beer, some may realize it's a "Z". Otherwise it's just another great example of how M$ just doesn't get stuff...

There's no effort to brand everything under one logo. What will they even put on this new rumored M$ retail store? A Window/X/Z ?? Then again, I do like the Xbox and if it seemed to be in the same family as Zunes and WinBlowz, I may be turned off...
 
If you know it is a Zune, with a Z, then look at the logo from the right angle without drinking too much beer, some may realize it's a "Z". Otherwise it's just another great example of how M$ just doesn't get stuff...

There's no effort to brand everything under one logo. What will they even put on this new rumored M$ retail store? A Window/X/Z ?? Then again, I do like the Xbox and if it seemed to be in the same family as Zunes and WinBlowz, I may be turned off...

It's not just the branding. The perpetual sate of confusion MS is in is reflected across the board. Just look at how utterly convoluted Microsoft’s mobile development message is. They’re all over the map. And that’s not even mentioning their "Pink" project, which is apparently some sort of next-generation Sidekick. Windows Mobile? The Zune interface? Pink? So what's it going to be? What should people be developing for?
 
My question is, why is it that every screenshot around shows the Marketplace with the e cut off at the end ? If really this is not the level of polish of this device, why insist on showing it as such ? Makes it look like a Chinese knock off.
 
The Zune Hd looks nothing like the Ipod it plays HD video and HD radio and has few more features the ipod doesn't. It looks like MS is the innovater if you ask me.

MS added a media player three years too late, in a s,owly dying media player market?

Duplicating the iPod Touch after the fact and adding in some sort of HD functionality and a radio doesn't add up to jack. MS pulled the same crap with the original Zune. the sad part is that this time, they're expecting a different result!

We had these same conversations back in 2007 with the debut of the Zune. And look what happened. As long as Apple exists and keeps up the pace of developement, the competition's chances are slim to none. And as long as MS is weighed down with its current management team (i.e., Ballmer), they'll always be a day late and a dollar short.

The "innovator" was Apple in 2007 with the multitouch UI on on an iPod. I redefined the whole sgement. 2001 all over again. Adding another bell or whistle to what Apple churned out three years ago (which is being killed off by the iPhone) isn't innovation. It's just lame. And late.


My question is, why is it that every screenshot around shows the Marketplace with the e cut off at the end ? If really this is not the level of polish of this device, why insist on showing it as such ? Makes it look like a Chinese knock off.

Watch the first 10 seconds. There's your answer. It's really that simple. That pretty much sums up the corporate culture at MS. It's as true now as it was years ago.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dR8SAFRBmcU
 
It's not just the branding. The perpetual sate of confusion MS is in is reflected across the board. Just look at how utterly convoluted Microsoft’s mobile development message is. They’re all over the map. And that’s not even mentioning their "Pink" project, which is apparently some sort of next-generation Sidekick. Windows Mobile? The Zune interface? Pink? So what's it going to be? What should people be developing for?


Just wait, apple is getting big enough that the same thing will happen to them.
 
MS added a media player three years too late, in a s,owly dying media player market?

Duplicating the iPod Touch after the fact and adding in some sort of HD functionality and a radio doesn't add up to jack. MS pulled the same crap with the original Zune. the sad part is that this time, they're expecting a different result!

We had these same conversations back in 2007 with the debut of the Zune. And look what happened. As long as Apple exists and keeps up the pace of developement, the competition's chances are slim to none. And as long as MS is weighed down with its current management team (i.e., Ballmer), they'll always be a day late and a dollar short.

The "innovator" was Apple in 2007 with the multitouch UI on on an iPod. I redefined the whole sgement. 2001 all over again. Adding another bell or whistle to what Apple churned out three years ago (which is being killed off by the iPhone) isn't innovation. It's just lame. And late.




Watch the first 10 seconds. There's your answer. It's really that simple. That pretty much sums up the corporate culture at MS. It's as true now as it was years ago.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dR8SAFRBmcU

MS might not be as pretty as Apple in things like fonts, but they put a lot of polish where it counts. Apple and other ^nix OS vendors still can't get a polished LDAP implementation shipped like MS has done since the late 1990's. they will do a somewhat polished job for customer facing LDAP applications, but for corporate IT MS still rules with Active Directory and no one has come close.

the only reason the ipod and and the iphone are hits is because they are priced the same or cheaper than the competition. Mac's are still niche products because Apple still wants to price them at ridiculous levels and ship them with obsolete hardware.

rumor is the itablet is going to be priced at close to $1000. lets see how many people buy it at that price compared to a $300 netbook
 
MS might not be as pretty as Apple in things like fonts, but they put a lot of polish where it counts. Apple and other ^nix OS vendors still can't get a polished LDAP implementation shipped like MS has done since the late 1990's. they will do a somewhat polished job for customer facing LDAP applications, but for corporate IT MS still rules with Active Directory and no one has come close.

You're joking right ? We have both AD and NDS where I work. Guess which we use as a LDAP server... that's right, not AD. We also have Sun Directory server for a couple of applications and it works beautifully.

AD's strengths are not LDAP, never was and never will be. AD itself isn't easier to manage than NDS is either. It might look like it if all you do all day is play around dsa.msc, but if you're doing serious replication, GPO and load balancing on over 20 DCs, AD is a very complex beast that requires a lot of expertise.

AD rules only because of 1 reason : SSO on Windows. We have Windows desktops for a big majority of the business, and without AD, that would be a nightmare to manage. You might say "no one shipped SSOs for Windows with the level polish Microsoft did!" and that's only because it was in Microsoft's interest to do so, not other vendors.

Anyway, back to topic, yes the level of polish on fonts and the interface is basically what makes or breaks consumer devices. If this device is the best there is but has a crap interface that doesn't work, people won't buy it. They'll look at it in Best buy, notice the cheap price tag and the cheap fonts/interface with the missing e and then turn away in disgust, saying : "bah, 50$ won't make or break the bank, screw this crap".
 
...and the cheap fonts/interface with the missing e and then turn away in disgust, saying : "bah, 50$ won't make or break the bank, screw this crap".

Aren't these still the original photos from when the prototype was shown? They look the same to me.

Yes, it should have been caught, but a few pixels missing from the "e" doesn't really mean anything. The people shooting the pictures may have increased the font size for the photos, and didn't notice the "e". On a PROTOTYPE....

If the "e" is slightly clipped (my gord, "missing e" is so much drama) in the final product, then rip into it.
 
Really complaining about an e being cut off? Seriously? Get over yourselves. You people act as if you get some sort of residuals off iPod sales. Zune HD under the hood is BETTER than an iPod touch. It's screen is BETTER than an iPod Touch. Everything else is relative, but why shrug off a product just because it's made by Microsoft. You should be happy they're stepping it up because competition is good for us consumers. You people act like MS is the devil, why because they're more successful than Apple is. Give me a break.
 
Aren't these still the original photos from when the prototype was shown? They look the same to me.

Yes, it should have been caught, but a few pixels missing from the "e" doesn't really mean anything. The people shooting the pictures may have increased the font size for the photos, and didn't notice the "e". On a PROTOTYPE....

If the "e" is slightly clipped (my gord, "missing e" is so much drama) in the final product, then rip into it.

Seeing how it's being used on all marketing shots for the moment, I don't think it's going to far ripping on it. Pre-release marketing is as important if not more than the finished product.
 
Really complaining about an e being cut off? Seriously? Get over yourselves. You people act as if you get some sort of residuals off iPod sales. Zune HD under the hood is BETTER than an iPod touch. It's screen is BETTER than an iPod Touch. Everything else is relative, but why shrug off a product just because it's made by Microsoft. You should be happy they're stepping it up because competition is good for us consumers. You people act like MS is the devil, why because they're more successful than Apple is. Give me a break.

Which is one of the reasons I stopped posting here actually. There's a reason why people think Mac users are some of the biggest douches out there and this thread is the evidence. It's a shame that you automatically get associated with these types of people just because you use a Mac.

I guess there are only a few sane people here who aren't blinded by love for some corporate giant. As much as it may offend some of you, Microsoft does make some good products.
 
How does it handle zooming in web browsing?

The interface looks good, although the zune player on the pc gets it's style in the way of it's substance and doesn't seem to let you play videos full screen.
 
MS added a media player three years too late, in a s,owly dying media player market?

Duplicating the iPod Touch after the fact and adding in some sort of HD functionality and a radio doesn't add up to jack. MS pulled the same crap with the original Zune. the sad part is that this time, they're expecting a different result!

We had these same conversations back in 2007 with the debut of the Zune. And look what happened. As long as Apple exists and keeps up the pace of developement, the competition's chances are slim to none. And as long as MS is weighed down with its current management team (i.e., Ballmer), they'll always be a day late and a dollar short.

The "innovator" was Apple in 2007 with the multitouch UI on on an iPod. I redefined the whole sgement. 2001 all over again. Adding another bell or whistle to what Apple churned out three years ago (which is being killed off by the iPhone) isn't innovation. It's just lame. And late.

Adding media centre capability in a PMP IS innovation. Just watch the video I posted previously. The Zune is not only a competitor to the iPod but also the Apple TV. OLED screen in a PMP is innovation. HD Radio is a PMP is innovation. HD output IS innovation. Had it been Apple who did it first, everyone here would be creaming about the innovation.

It's funny how people dismiss whatever MS does and call whatever Apple does as innovation. I remember people raving about copy paste as innovation.

Imagine Netflix integration in the zune, imagine downloading XBLA games, playing on the move and then coming home and docking it to play it on the big screen with the Xbox controller. Apple doesn't have much room to manoeuvre in terms integration.

Everyone dismissed MS against Sony in the console war, but when it comes to it, they DO provide innovation. Why do you think so many people are willing to pay for Xbox LIVE when PSN is free? Why do you think so many people keep going back to the Xbox even though they have had multiple failures? That's right, they've innovated the social aspect of gaming.
 
If the "e" is slightly clipped (my gord, "missing e" is so much drama) in the final product, then rip into it.

Or not. :)

I know that I'd have to be pretty OCD to freak out over something like that.

To me, functionality and style are both something to look for in a purchase, with the former being far more important in a device I'm going to use a lot.

I agree, an artistic decision to chop off part of a word hardly is worth the drama it's getting from some people.
 
I also wish them well ...

...but I won't be buying one of them. Hopefully Apple examines the product closely and grabs a few good ideas here - like HD radio for example.

Seconded. M$ have come a long way to bring their Zune where it is development-wise. Wouldn't it be a hoot if they entered into an agreement with Apple to use the iTunes store? :eek:
 
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