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"Multi-touch technologies have a long history."

....and its taken a long time for someone to make them work.

When I show people at work the '2-finger scroll' on the macbook they look at me like I have just pulled a fish out of my ear!

'That's so useful - why hasn't someone done that before' is the usual response.

Then I show them the mighty mouse ball that works in two separate dimensions...... :O

They go back look at their office issue dell and wonder what they have done to deserve it....

Should it be this easy to impress pc users in 2009?
 
Your source, please?

The first true GUI computer, PARC's Alto computer, was introduced in 1973; the industry didn't latch on until late 1970s and early 80s— and multitouch is still "on paper" in Bell Labs in 1983... So I hope you wouldn't mind if I ask for the source, please?


i remember there was pen computing back in the 1980's for my commodore 64. you'll have to search wikipedia since all those old companies don't exist anymore
 
....and its taken a long time for someone to make them work.

When I show people at work the '2-finger scroll' on the macbook they look at me like I have just pulled a fish out of my ear!

'That's so useful - why hasn't someone done that before' is the usual response.

Then I show them the mighty mouse ball that works in two separate dimensions...... :O

They go back look at their office issue dell and wonder what they have done to deserve it....

Should it be this easy to impress pc users in 2009?

you needed the screens to be there at the right price. a lot of cool tech from this decade first had it's start in the 1980's, but back then it was too expensive for mass use
 
....and its taken a long time for someone to make them work.

When I show people at work the '2-finger scroll' on the macbook they look at me like I have just pulled a fish out of my ear!

'That's so useful - why hasn't someone done that before' is the usual response.

Then I show them the mighty mouse ball that works in two separate dimensions...... :O

They go back look at their office issue dell and wonder what they have done to deserve it....

Should it be this easy to impress pc users in 2009?

i think they are too busy getting stuff done to be impressed with two finger scroll. Plus i think the mighty mouse is crap.
 
Then I show them the mighty mouse ball that works in two separate dimensions...... :O

They go back look at their office issue dell and wonder what they have done to deserve it....

Do you show them the ball getting clogged up and failing to work every other day?

Do you show them what happens when you rest your finger on the mouse or ball as you are clicking on the other side and it gets confused?

Do you show them the two side buttons which no human can press without lifting their hand off the mouse first?
 
i think they are too busy getting stuff done to be impressed with two finger scroll. Plus i think the mighty mouse is crap.

They think different to you.

They are are wondering why such a simple idea that makes scrolling through documents easier is not standard issue.

Ditto a mouse wheel that goes sideways.

Its stops being a gimmic if you use it every day.
 
Do you show them the ball getting clogged up and failing to work every other day?

Do you show them what happens when you rest your finger on the mouse or ball as you are clicking on the other side and it gets confused?

Do you show them the two side buttons which no human can press without lifting their hand off the mouse first?

Nope, i showed them how to use it properly.
Its not a kids toy.

Besides, they are women.
Their desks are clean and they listen to instructions.
 
The little ball thing on the mighty mouse always bugged me. Right up there with the lack of physical buttons (yes I know it has right click and two side buttons but I mean actual separate buttons).
 
The ability to go sideways with a mousewheel is something I miss every day on my works pc. And I prefer the lack of buttons as I use my whole hand to click. I find it easier to use for long periods at work.

It's a personal thing, but I really dig the mighty mouse.
 
The ability to go sideways with a mousewheel is something I miss every day on my works pc. And I prefer the lack of buttons as I use my whole hand to click. I find it easier to use for long periods at work.

It's a personal thing, but I really dig the mighty mouse.

There are plenty of mice that let you go sideways though. They're just not usually the ones that come with PCs :[
 
Isn't it covered by the same patent restrictions as the palm pre?

The browser or multi-touch? In either case, what restrictions do you think exist?

I can't think of anything major. Even the idea of clicking on a full page representation of a web page and zooming into that section, comes from others before Apple.

Lots of touch features have been in labs for decades. Therefore nobody can get a base patent on them. You can only get much smaller patents on implementation details, which are usually fairly easy to get around.

Cheers!
 
Their desks are clean and they listen to instructions.

what the heck does that have to do with anything? good for them to be amazed by a mouse and scrolling. like i said, i have better stuff to do then use apple's crappy mouse

They think different to you.

They are are wondering why such a simple idea that makes scrolling through documents easier is not standard issue.

Ditto a mouse wheel that goes sideways.

Its stops being a gimmic if you use it every day.

so, you use both two finger scroll and the mighty mouse? once i got my logitech mouse, i stopped using the track pad.
 
Butt Ugly

Having just conducted a search of the 415 comments on this story and discovered only three references to the BUTT UGLINESS of this Zune thing, I'm worried. I'm worried that people's appreciation of beauty is fading.

Are we so spoiled by Apple's products that we think any old poor rip-off will do?

Industrial design? Did someone say "Industrial Design"? This is industrial design C 1974. No, my Sinclair Cambridge calculator was a hell of a lot better looking. Those lines do still appear on the backs of Dell PC screens, but that's no reason to copy them.

The corners are mean and aggressive. That DeLorean style cutaway that's mirrored on the back has no purpose. Is that good design? It's not even adornment masquerading as good design. Is that 'industrial design? Only if your name is Doc Brown!

This is the kind of thing you expect to find as a prop in a bad Sci-Fi movie, you know, the device they find on the alien craft. That ridiculous symbol on the back seems to echo this things true origins - on a movie back lot.

One very good way to work out if you've come up with a good design, is to ask a woman what she thinks of it. Women [and yes I'm generalising here], generally know what looks good and will usually tell you - pretty quickly. There's rarely any debate.

So, if you want to sell a phone to a woman, and it's not pink, you'd better get that design right. Not the pointless bits [read DeLorean cutaway], but the overall shape. Women generally warm to gentle curves. Yes, gentle curves are sexy. They always have been and they always will be.

Now take another look at that Zune. BUTT UGLY. DeLorean. Dell. It shouts male arrogance and retro garbage. I predict it will fail as well as the original Zune turd.
 
Having just conducted a search of the 415 comments on this story and discovered only three references to the BUTT UGLINESS of this Zune thing, I'm worried. I'm worried that people's appreciation of beauty is fading.

Are we so spoiled by Apple's products that we think any old poor rip-off will do?

Industrial design? Did someone say "Industrial Design"? This is industrial design C 1974. No, my Sinclair Cambridge calculator was a hell of a lot better looking. Those lines do still appear on the backs of Dell PC screens, but that's no reason to copy them.

The corners are mean and aggressive. That DeLorean style cutaway that's mirrored on the back has no purpose. Is that good design? It's not even adornment masquerading as good design. Is that 'industrial design? Only if your name is Doc Brown!

This is the kind of thing you expect to find as a prop in a bad Sci-Fi movie, you know, the device they find on the alien craft. That ridiculous symbol on the back seems to echo this things true origins - on a movie back lot.

One very good way to work out if you've come up with a good design, is to ask a woman what she thinks of it. Women [and yes I'm generalising here], generally know what looks good and will usually tell you - pretty quickly. There's rarely any debate.

So, if you want to sell a phone to a woman, and it's not pink, you'd better get that design right. Not the pointless bits [read DeLorean cutaway], but the overall shape. Women generally warm to gentle curves. Yes, gentle curves are sexy. They always have been and they always will be.

Now take another look at that Zune. BUTT UGLY. DeLorean. Dell. It shouts male arrogance and retro garbage. I predict it will fail as well as the original Zune turd.

Interesting points. I agree with yout assessment of a woman's ability to discern taste and style. Very true.
 
They think different to you.

They are are wondering why such a simple idea that makes scrolling through documents easier is not standard issue.

Ditto a mouse wheel that goes sideways.

Its stops being a gimmic if you use it every day.

So Apple convinced you they were the "first" to do that eh?


Apple is so damn good at doing that (goes back to my mouse with more than 2 buttons so I can be much more productive than the mighty mouse (regardless of computer choice))
 
Having just conducted a search of the 415 comments on this story and discovered only three references to the BUTT UGLINESS of this Zune thing, I'm worried. I'm worried that people's appreciation of beauty is fading.

Or it means less than 1% of commenters actually think it's butt ugly. Not everyone has the same opinions as you.

As for the multi-touch trackpad on the Macbook, that is indeed awesome and anyone who doesn't think so is fooling themselves.
 
So Apple convinced you they were the "first" to do that eh?

Who cares?

The point is Apple are the first people to get it into our office.

We are not geeks, we don't care who started it, we just want computers to be easier to use.

So the multi touch track pad and side scrolling mouse wheel are things we want. Things people using standard dell machines don't have.

Apple is so damn good at doing that (goes back to my mouse with more than 2 buttons so I can be much more productive than the mighty mouse (regardless of computer choice))

Good for you. Most of us just use the kit we are given.

Maybe we should be allowed to spend our own tech budgets?

Our standard issue dell laptops are £700 - same as macbooks.
And the pc towers are the same price as mac minis....

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And as for the zune design - its a steampunk version of the first iphone - deliberately retro.
Not to my taste compared to 2001-style futurism, but it has a certain charm.

The missing e off marketplace is not a great worry - but it might be a sign that things are not been thought through...

Just a theory, but i think they chose "marketplace" as it has a similarity to the word 'Microsoft', same initial, three sylables.

I don't think its an accident that you can't say application without saying......
 
No, it's definitely butt ugly.

It's not a question of opinion, it's a question of taste, and what constitutes good design - inappropriately referenced, poorly executed faddy ornamentation or something that works aesthetically, functionally and commercially, improving people’s lives.

However, I'll agree with you if the Zune HD wins any major design awards.

I expect that to happen the same week a pig launches its own airline, George W Bush wins a Pulitzer Prize for literature, and a cat made entirely out of snow, blogs all three stories from satan's laptop.


Or it means less than 1% of commenters actually think it's butt ugly. Not everyone has the same opinions as you.

As for the multi-touch trackpad on the Macbook, that is indeed awesome and anyone who doesn't think so is fooling themselves.
 
I thought there was a patent issue with specific ways to multi touch....

No, but it's a common misconception. Not your fault. Today's internet "news" is driven by the need to make money by getting as many readers as possible. Controversy sells.

Having just conducted a search of the 415 comments on this story and discovered only three references to the BUTT UGLINESS of this Zune thing, I'm worried. I'm worried that people's appreciation of beauty is fading.

And I'm worried that too many people desire looks over functionality. Or think their own idea of beauty should be followed by everyone else :rolleyes:

As for asking women... well, my wife would pick the "cute" choice. Most men, on other other hand, can find subtle beauty in the lines of a SR-71 Blackbird or Indy racer or steam locomotive.
 
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