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In any case, Microsoft has a fat bank account, patience and breath. They just purchased Nokia - whose sales figures have been rising again since they switched to Windows Phone - and they are very, very serious about their strategic change. Microsoft has a LONG history of entering markets late and eventually taking them over.

Then there is a new CEO coming, which might make things very interesting again.

Interesting and misleading summary of events. Nokia had been stagnating by resting on its laurels and its premature death was hastened by hitching its fortunes to Windows Phone, which its previous CEO, Ollila has described as a 'huge mistake'.

Microsoft has alienated a huge swathe of phoneset makers by its shenanigans with its patent trolling against Android and demanding licence fees without ever explaining exactly what patents have supposedly been encroached upon. Nokia was about its only friend and now it has been swallowed up none of the other manufacturers will been the slightest bit keen to play second fiddle to Microsoft's own hardware operation.

The jury is still out whether or not Elop was a Microsoft trojan horse who did his best to make Nokia fit for a takeover. If he does become the CEO of Microsoft expect some very angry Finns to make their feelings known.

The PC press is very unenthusiastic about Microsoft's future in phones (or its investment in Nokia for that matter). Microsoft has always tried to play the long game once it finally understood what others had seen years before, but this market is fast moving and becoming saturated in the more mature markets. It is probably too late to get enough developers on board to make Windows POS8 more interesting to buyers.
 
I got to say he's right on some remarks. Surface certainly is better for productivity. Apple definitely should address the more professional market with a tablet that kind of molds the iPad and macbook. Sort of like what Microsoft did.

The competition among tablets meant for consuming content is getting extremely rough with Google and Amazon bringing out tablets as loss-leaders. That's really hard to compete with in the long run. Sure, their products might not be on par with Apple's, but they certainly have the capital and business model to make them almost as good. But at a lower price.



This is genius.

iPad Air

iPad Mini

iPad Pro

:eek:
 
I meant in comparison to the success of other Windows OS's - if Microsoft thinks they know the consumer "better than anyone else on the planet", then why didn't as many people upgrade to Windows 8 as did Windows 7/XP etc.

Oh, I understand.
Well, I think that there was a lot of FUD from the bloggers and thechsites, that then was replicated in general media. Of course some things were unpolished and mistakes were made by MS, but the amount of blacklash for the stupid start button or the "metro" interface bas absurd. I guess it was an easy click bait. I think that most people that said to hate it had not even tried it or had not spent 2 or 3 minutes, no more, to learn the basic new things.

With 8.1 there is really no rational excuse to hate anymore, at least no more than W7, that most people said to like a lot. Personally I think W8.1 is the best Windows I ever used.



Plus, Apple's focus is on mobile devices, where iOS is miles more popular than Windows 8/WP8.


If apple couldn't get more market share in the desktop is not because they don't want, but because it was far more difficult given the maturity of that market and the dominance of MS. They needed to make a paradigm shift and create a new market. Apple had a hit with original iPhone and MS neglected that new market for too long. That was a big mistake than even Ballmer recognized recently to regret.


I'm not saying I don't like Windows 8, it's ambitious and interesting - which is what I like companies to be, I just found their sweeping statement quite funny considering their current state :p

I agree that it's a little funny, but they also have some good points.

Anyway, I think the most funny thing is that we people wrote 800 messages in a forum about that small thing, and for free, hehe.
:rolleyes:
 
Yes, Steve did save Apple. He had cooperation from Bill Gates at that time.

Are we able to agree that each company has it's market and they serve it well?

Office is the standard for corporations. If my livelihood depended on interacting with corporations Office would be on my Mac.

But you don't actually need Office to open documents produced by it...
 
I have read a couple of posts on this thread that stated that features were removed in the latest desktop versions of iWork. I checked out Numbers and it has the same features as before but it now has additional functions and filters. I wish it had added pivot tables.

What was removed from the package?

applescript I believe. Pages looks like it had a lobotomy.

Im curious if they did a cocoa rewrite or something. I sure hope they bring it forward to parity.

Until then, MS office 2011 is quite nice.


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There are two surfaces, the Surface RT (Which was later renamed to Surface, and the new version of which is Surface 2), and the Surface Pro (new version Surface Pro 2). They are nothing alike, they don't even run the same software.

Surface Pro is a solid product, it is an i5 LAPTOP in a tablet package, but very pricey. Surface runs a crippled version of Windows RT and Office RT.

Confused yet? :)

I personally think they did themselves a huge disservice but naming the two devices the same thing; the Pro is a new form of the laptop, the RT is the 'iPad killer'.

Yes i am :confused: :D
I dont wanna read up on it either because i became allergic to MS products over the years.
Y dont the use windows 8 all the way then? Are all these surface OSs compatible with programs running on windows?
Whats the point of having so many different OSs?
 
Seriously. It's a Windows laptop with the ability to remove the keyboard, and the ability to immediately replace the keyboard because your Windows software was designed for computers with keyboards.

That comment shows you never tried a Surface. Its on screen keyboard with predictive text and gestures is great and at very least as good as the iPad one. Surface keyboards are an optional (but very well integrated) accesory if/when you need to type more than short messages and short emails (and they double as a screen protector). On screen keyboards have inherent limitations, in all platforms.
 
The good news is that Microsoft understands how people work better than anyone else on the planet.

So finally Microsoft is admitting they launch Windows ME, Windows Vista and Windows 8, knowing that people would hate them, and still wanted to force people to switch over to these, even businesses, trying to limit manufacturers to ship only Windows Vista (and recently Windows 8) with new business PCs.

And that's why working people complained and Microsoft was forced to allow shipping Windows XP for several years to business customers. Unless I'm wrong, Windows XP has been the longest lived product of Microsoft, and not by their own choice; it's been out for about 12 years, with plans to discontinue next year. And that's considering Windows 7 was launched back in mid-2009.

With all of the above taken into consideration, does anyone else really believes that Microsoft knows how people work better than anyone else?
 
I use the skydrive apps daily for work. They're passable yet cumbersome, exactly what one would expect from a web app. Overall I'm a fan because my whole team can use it.

Check out the web versions of iWork. It's amazing how much they were able to accomplish with it. It definitely exceeds expectations of what a web app would feel like

Interesting, I will have a look :). Is web iWork free to use for anyone? What is the URL?
 
Interesting, I will have a look :). Is web iWork free to use for anyone? What is the URL?

I think you'll love it. The link is www.iCloud.com
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I used to rely in the past on PageMaker, QuarkExpress, InDesign to create nicely formatted documents beyond a standard word processor's capabilities.

Now I use Pages on my iPad and sometimes on the Mac (when I'm required to make more fine-tuned adjustments to kerning, line-spacing, etc.). In most situations, I get satisfactory results with Pages on my iPad.
 
But you don't actually need Office to open documents produced by it...

Maybe not to open, but there is more to doing work than just opening a file here and there. Pages is a decent program, but feature wise it doesn't hold a candle to Word. And let's not even the massive functionality differences between Numbers and Excel.

The only thing, productivity wise, that Apple does better than Microsoft, in my opinion, is Keynote.
 
Both Apple and Microsoft have Reality Distortion Fields in operating. The difference is Apple's operates outwards, towards users, customers, etc. Microsoft's operates inwards, towards their management in making them thing they make good stuff.

There's a saying: If you believe your own marketing department, then your company is in trouble :D
 
The best part about this is that without Apple, Microsoft wouldn't even have a product to talk about.
 
the problem for MS and google is beyond apple's brand loyalty. there are things the surface pro does that i WISH apple did. mainly digitizing software/hardware. the iPad is not as good for drawing and i like the full apps on the surface pro. BUT!!! i have $1000s of dollars tie up in iPad software that i love. i'm not gonna carrie two devices or buy the comparable apps on the other platforms. most of which does not exist.
 
Yes, iOS is rooted in osx. It was still designed as a mobile os and has little directly in common with osx aside from its roots

The "metro" part of windows has been designed for mobile and touch. The "classic" part (desktop) allows more flexibility (eg. can connect the tablet to a big monitor and use it with mouse and keyboard).

I think the desktop part will soon dissapear of Windows RT (ie. Surface not-pro), as soon as they finish the touch versions of office. At the moment MS already decided to "hide" the desktop tile from the start screen in W8.1 RT.

I still agree that W8 is not totally mature yet, but with 8.1 we are almost there. I really enjoy 8.1 :)
 
Damon Albarn did. But don't worry, I get you, I would never do it. My point was that Microsoft are possibly right to suggest that their Software on the Surface is more creative friendly than the iPad. Given the choice, I'd rather have full USB support and some kick ass DAW software than be restricted to GarageBand and the few accessories that the iPad can use.

Well yeah, if it were my only computer I'd have to pick the one running the desktop OS with all of the audio apps, which in this case would be the Surface Pro (but I'd just get a macbook air anyway in that case :) but assuming we're limited to "tablets" here).

But as far as something to bring to an already outfitted studio which is surely already based on some kind of fairly elaborate desktop OS computer setup, I think the iPad makes a nice nimble audio accessory for stuff in the studio - multitouch fader software (e.g. Logic Remote), multitouch instrument type apps, a place to view music documents, charts, lyrics, etc. That's what I was thinking of in terms of bringing a device to a recording studio.
 
MS just cut pricing on the Surface Pro starting at $699. They are starting to get it!

You MUST admit this demonstrates how overpriced iPads are. They don't do anything my phone can't do. A Surface Pro on the other hand is just superior in every way. Multitasking is now fantastic with the variable dual-app slider in Windows 8.1.

And it's a full computer! The Intel components and ventilation system is what drives the price. If a 128GB iPad can be justified for $799, please tell me how $999 for a WHOLE COMPUTER isn't worth it?! Microsoft nailed everything with the Surface Pro 2. Ultimate freedom with fantastic battery life.

To those who consider Windows 8 a flop, you're delusional. Sales mean nothing but they were certainly good, AND on a touch-enabled device it is such a lovely experience. For desktops it wasn't amazing but you got used to it. With 8.1, most quarrels were fixed, and for free. Mavericks is a mere Service Pack that has battery efficiency improvements. NOTHING more.
 
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