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Definitely copied the iPod touch while trying to make it look somewhat different. I actually like the look, but I suppose it's because it reminds me of a 60" HDTV that Vizio made a couple years ago that I lusted after for awhile. Decided to go with two 50" Vizios instead for the same price…

Sorry… I'll get back on track.

I think the back is unique and manly looking which is probably to appeal to all those XBox360 owners. I think the visible screws is simply laziness that will get labeled by M$ as the manly factor. I like how the logo is struck into the metal. The color -- not silver, but kind of a light bronze is nice actually. I hate to like this because I hate M$ so much, but this looks kind of nice.

But… how good will it work? That's the big question.

Radio is a nice touch (although with wi-fi so widespread and Radio Apps aplenty, this is hardly a one-up by Ballmer & Company). No camera, which if the rumors are correct, will be a nice trump by Apple.

I love the OLED aspect -- resolution (480 x 272) is a little off the Touch's 480 x 320 but will probably help on widescreen movies.

Not sure of the size of the Drive? Will it be solid state flash? Probably, but doubtful if it'll be 32GB. Perhaps. But, it wouldn't surprise me if Apple ups their SPACE anty too on the next go-around.

Competition is always good for consumers. I welcome this new edition to the gadget picnic.
 
At least Apple paid Xerox to lease it, before developing it significantly.

But people here tend to forget that Apple just like all companies buys innovation, not invents it. Most of the Apple "inventions" we see are small companies Apple buys and stamps that little logo on. Again I love Apple I am not a blind fan boy.
 
It'll be interesting what they do with Multi-Touch since Palm and Apple have a hell of a lot of patents.

Neither one has anything earthshattering as far as touch goes. Palm has some good ones for handhelds.

MS of course happily licenses Exchange ActiveSync to everyone. In fact, Palm claims their Pre can sync to multiple Exchange accounts, which is a feature driving the WinMo users crazy.
 
Neither one has anything earthshattering as far as touch goes. Palm has some good ones for handhelds.

MS of course happily licenses Exchange ActiveSync to everyone. In fact, Palm claims their Pre can sync to multiple Exchange accounts, which is a feature driving the WinMo users crazy.

Palm really has been doing Multitouch type stuff for a long long time! I think they probably have more knowledge about that market than anyone. Like anything though Palm just lacks resources that Apple has.
 
marketpla...

did anyone make fun of how the word marketplace farts off the edge of the screen yet? I think that's funny...

Also, this thing looks like an expensive electric razor. The screws and the bronzey look are very 80s high-end pocket calculator.

With a name like Zune, how could it lose?
 
Wayyyyyy back when the iPhone was introduced, I thought Jobs said 'they patented the heck out of Multi-Touch'?

One always has to be very careful quoting Apple, especially Jobs the salesman:

And we have invented a new technology called multi-touch, which is phenomenal. It works like magic. You don't need a stylus. It's far more accurate than any touch display that's ever been shipped. It ignores unintended touches, it's super-smart. You can do multi-finger gestures on it. And boy, have we patented it.

Translation: It's like magic to non-engineers like me. It can't use a stylus. It's more accurate than anything Apple has shipped. It has code to unselect an item if you start to scroll. You can do multi-finger gestures. And we patented something that I'm referring to as "it", but the fanboys will expand that into lots more than I said.

Note: Apple's attempted trademarking of "Multi-Touch" was turned down later.

Also, didn't Cook say they'd 'vigorously' enforce those patents?

Nope. He said he'd defend their IP (intellectual property). Reporters added the 'vigorously' and 'patent' wording, in typical fashion.

However, we will not stand for having our IP ripped off, and we'll use whatever weapons that we have at our disposal. I don't know that I could be more clear than that.

In reality, he couldn't be more vague. But we can assume he was talking about the Apple employees that Palm hired away, who wanted to do something different than what they were allowed to under Apple.
 
You know, since this is a huge deal, beside friends, clients, I woner if you could load a Pro Tools session. Imagine that. The zine becomes more pwerful than a netbook and a Pro Audio/Video users best friend.

Instill say the biggest use will be things like non cripplenwear, flash, and as you van see, ability to stream darm near any video codec. This alone beats iPhone which is a shame.

The iPhone is quite capable to do this plusnflash but becaused of the iPhone, iTunes, apple tv, even the littlest of streaming must be purchase. Also why their is no flash. Look it up , google " real reason there is no flash" as many huts will return not onlynthe above but that Jibs fears flash and open source gaming, apps that he could lose control over. Either way, I think this alone kills Apple TV or makes Apple TV a software only release. Peace

I give M$ credit for trying. But they can never design a pretty product. This better not cost more than an iPod though.

Its a start somewhere in the basement.

I would not buy one of these over an iPhone or Ipod Touch, but it does have two features that look really cool. The ability to play HD movies. This in itself wouldn't be special if we were only able to watch them on the Zune screen. However notice that MS have given this new Zune an HD video out connection!

This means that you could put HD movies onto it and hook it up to any HD TV or projector you happen to be near.

This would be absolutely brilliant for me because it would mean that I could easily make HD video for clients and show them progress on their plasmas etc instead of having to take over an SD DVD or make them watch highly compressed web versions.

A proper HDMI out, even if it needs an adaptor, and the ability to play true 1080p HD movies would be really handy for me on the iPod Touch etc.
 
Right... because we all know that the Metal/Black color scheme didn't exist until Apple did it.

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True, but I think he meant how the scheme was positioned check this out...
 

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I wouldn't say apple has a monopoly but the fact you can't synch an iPhone to morebthan one computer isnpreety lame. Now since msft discovered push, one has to wonder if msft will have some iLife suite with this device, a new media player and snce windowsncan be run on a mac, what's to stop the zine from alsonrunning on multiple macs, not that's it's needed to be a success, but you never know.

As I said earlier though, no flash, Palm Pre, millions of expired contracts, zine with netflix/xbox ala gaming, windows live which does synch with macs, insee apple in a position they have never been in before that leaves them little room to just sit there and do nothing.


Again, how does Apple have a monopoly on the MP3 market when both devices works natively on Mac and Windows? Stop being naive, and understand the difference between a Windows and iPods.
 
Looks really ugly though...

My first thought. And I get tired of people throwing around the 'HD' buzzword. If it's truly 720p, then those are some damn tiny pixels for such a small device and quite superfluous.
 
My first thought. And I get tired of people throwing around the 'HD' buzzword. If it's truly 720p, then those are some damn tiny pixels for such a small device and quite superfluous.

Perhaps they use the HD term to relate to the density of the pixels?
I haven't done the maths but the pixel density could be similar to a HD display?
 
Perhaps they use the HD term to relate to the density of the pixels?
I haven't done the maths but the pixel density could be similar to a HD display?

People, read the article -- it's "HD" because it supports 720p video OUT to a TV and has an HD radio tuner.
 
Oh and if you could kindly point out what app controls an xbox360. I'd love to know, but as far as my research goes no such thing exists.



Figures you wouldn't know about the XBMC remote, you are too busy salivating over a soon-to-be world acknowledged "same old song with a few new lines" Zune while you bash the iPod Touch apparently for the sole reason it's too popular. (Because it can do what a Zune can do and more).

OK here is your link to the XBMC Remote for the iPod Touch and iPhone. Enjoy.
http://itunes.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewSoftware?id=289316916&mt=8
 
It's interesting you did not mention Chrome. Is speed the only important browser trait? If so, you must be using Chrome. It destroys everyone else.

I am using chrome, but I didn't mention it because safari shares the webkit engine with chrome ;). Of course speed is not the sole thing, but let's burry ie 8 already, it's like every ie has been, crap, and with fantastic browsers such as opera ff and safari, ie is for the bin.
 
Then why is this even on this site of it doesn't work on macs. Why is there even hatred at all on this product. Too many people are just bitter and cynical about anything Microsoft or anything that would compete with apple in any way. It's just ridiculous.

Agree. Love apple products. Good news though is that many here and even my mac friend love window 7 media player and this device looks very good for me and I am very picky so my wanting this raises the bar as many will want this. Depends on OS but normally my interest usually reflects a general consensus.

For video prod this could also be a perk. Also, one of msfts new sites synchs to apple devices. Intersting.
Peace.
 
Look. How can you honestly say and believe that??

I will say it again. Because apple has itunes and apple tv, the iPod and iPhone cannot and will not live to it's full potential, that is, Apple simply won't allow these devices to play content as they require/demand that you buy it. Now add to this that apples devices do not play flash which reprents anlarge community of video streaming from MLB TV and Hulu to almost every feature film website so this device, if the OS works, could be a real killer device, especially with all the video formats it can generate, plus of course netflix. If left gets the synch right as well as a small media package compared to iLife and iworks, watch out.

And in case anyone hasn't noticed, thevpostings are becoming more inquisitive toward this new device.

Peace.
First it needs to catch on in the Windows environment.

I've got a hunch that by the time MS gets this to market, it will be a competitor to where Apple iTouch WAS.
 
But people here tend to forget that Apple just like all companies buys innovation, not invents it. Most of the Apple "inventions" we see are small companies Apple buys and stamps that little logo on. Again I love Apple I am not a blind fan boy.

Huh? You need to talk or write to Andy Hertzfeld, Bill Atkinson, Burrell Smith, Chris Espinosa, Joanna Hoffman, George Crow, Jerry Manock.


Just a few things Apple had to invent that Xerox was not even close to achieving with their experimental OS. Things that Microsoft copied for their own OS.

- Progress dialogs
- Confirmation dialogs (Star had one line at the top of the screen where you clicked Yes or No.)
- Drag and Drop on desktop -- In Star the user selected the icon, pressed a keyboard key for Copy or Move, then clicked at the destination. Macintosh Drag and Drop feels more natural.
- Macintosh icons have much better labels. It's a small thing, but in Star the label is part of the icon, so more than about 8 characters gets chopped off.
- Tool palettes -- Star didn't use these. The first instance I'm aware of is in MacPaint.
- Menus -- Macintosh had a menubar, Star didn't. Star had a few menus that popped up from buttons in windows headers or dialog boxes, but it didn't use a menubar. In fact it used very few menu commands -- relying instead on a few keys on the keyboard and property sheets (dialogs). See http://www.digibarn.com/friends/curbow/star/1/p6-lg.jpg
-- Better designs for Radio Buttons, Checkboxes -- Star's dialog box widgets really weren't as well designed as those in Macintosh. Nore were there as many different kinds of widets.
- Setting properties via menus -- Macintosh used menus like Font, Size to set properties on content. In Star you had to use the property sheet.
- Keyboard Equivalents (aka Command-Keys) -- Star didn't use these, but they had been used earlier in SmallTalk-80 at PARC.
- Color -- Star didn't have color until much later than Macintosh, and it wasn't done nearly as well.
-Smalltalk has no Finder
-resources and dual-fork files for storing layout and international information apart from code
-definition procedures
- drag-and-drop system extension and configuration
-types and creators for files
-direct manipulation editing of document
-disk, and application names
-redundant typed data for the clipboard
-multiple views of the file system
-desk accessories
-control panels, among others
-pull down menus
-imaging and windowing models based on QuickDraw
-the clipboard
-cleanly internationalizable software.
 
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