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Major difference that you seem to over look:

One is supposed to target Pros amongst its user base ( MacBook Pro ) . The other for education ( this Surface )


Macrumors upon hearing base-spec MBP is 8gb of ram and top-spec is 16gb: "wtf Apple, this isn't nearly enough for me!"
Macrumors upon hearing base-spec Surface Laptop is 4gb and top-spec is 16gb: "Ordering one now, **** Apple!"
 
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Add the Mac Pro next to the Surface and let's see the numbers.
 
I just want Mojang to be its own company again.

What bad things have Microsoft done to Minecraft? Seems to me the platform has exploded under MS tutelage/funding. Sales continue to be strong. I see no end in sight, 200 million sold by 2020.
 
What bad things have Microsoft done to Minecraft? Seems to me the platform has exploded under MS tutelage/funding. Sales continue to be strong. I see no end in sight, 200 million sold by 2020.
They've done nothing to Minecraft, which is the issue, and the game has died out. I really doubt the sales increased, but even if they did, I don't care because the community is gone. They also are probably the ones who killed Bukkit.
 
What?

The OP said they use it so much that it causes them to touch screens that don't have it. My SP4 has made using non-touch laptops a pain. Touch screens are so much faster when you need to select things all over the screen, or when you need to quickly annotate content. I wouldn't want to take notes without it. Heck, OneNote can even search my handwriting, so the only time I type is when I think I might send content to someone else.

Exactly! Don't get me wrong, if someone adamantly doesn't want a touchscreen and they want the oem to pass along the savings I don't blame them. It's just those blanket statements which make it seem like a touchscreen is useless for everyone bother me. Just the benefit of using a touchscreen instead of craning my arm/wrist/hand in an injury prone position while using mine on my lap (gasp...it IS a "LAPtop") is enough for me to love my touchscreen.
 
Track pad is debatable. The new ones on the 15 inch MBP are too large for me and interfere with typing, haven't used the 13 for typing long enough to tell, but I do not like the keys on the current MBP line.

I'll hold off judgment on the speakers and screen until I can see iand hear the surface laptop, but you seem convinced already. No sweat, you like the Mac, so do I. Stick with it. At these similar price points it doesn't matter, but I wish apple's CPUs stayed bleeding edge like they used to in the past.



You have to scroll down to the 4th model on the model select page to get down to the $1299 price point, which comes with 128GB.
https://www.apple.com/shop/buy-mac/macbook-pro

Config screen:
https://www.apple.com/shop/buy-mac/macbook-pro?product=MF839LL/A&step=config

I like this amiable conversation we were able to have haha. Too much blatant negativity on here lately. One of these days I'll get around to building a gaming PC.


And oh, never saw that before lol, thanks.
 
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My only question is, what college does she attend? What kind of college has dorms of a-frame building, floor to ceiling windows opening to a nearby forest, king-size bed, and hardwood furniture???

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When I first looked at that image and the large font I got excited, cause I thought MS went into the escort business, but then I realized It's just a thousand dollar laptop with crappy 4 gigs of ram and a crippled version of Windows.:(
 
They've done nothing to Minecraft, which is the issue, and the game has died out. I really doubt the sales increased, but even if they did, I don't care because the community is gone. They also are probably the ones who killed Bukkit.

They only launched Minecraft: Story Mode & Minecraft: Education Edition. Also sales are up to 121 million from 60 million when MS bought Mojang in 2014. That's f-en amazing no matter how you slice it. I don't know anything about some niche community that they axed, but that will always happen when something goes 'Hollywood'.
 
4GB of RAM needs to die on premium hardware already. RAM is simply too cheap nowadays. On the other hand, keeping the base RAM low forces developers to make efficient software.
Yes, the last part... 4GiB was considered a huge amount in 2006. New software has managed to chew all that up without any real benefit.
 
They only launched Minecraft: Story Mode & Minecraft: Education Edition. Also sales are up to 121 million from 60 million when MS bought Mojang in 2014. That's f-en amazing no matter how you slice it. I don't know anything about some niche community that they axed, but that will always happen when something goes 'Hollywood'.
I don't care about those versions. PC version is the good one. It wasn't a niche community; it was basically the ONLY community at the time MS bought it, which was when Minecraft was already one of the top selling games for multiple years.
 
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I don't care about those versions. PC version is the good one. It wasn't a niche community; it was basically the ONLY community at the time MS bought it, which was when Minecraft was already one of the top selling games for multiple years.

Yet sales increased by 100% since Microsoft owned Mojang, refuting your narrative that they ruined it.
 
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Windows "Special".
Heh, yeah, at least there is no brown color available.
Seriously, the Hardware looks cool.
Windows 10 Pro is usable and i even like it somehow. But that limited Windows S idea is just like an evolution of Windows RT, and this will fail for sure. People will expect the freedom they are used to have, but they won't have it. This will lead to frustration, and bad mouthing of the surface laptop. This even has the potential to harm the good reputation of the whole surface brand.
 
Why can't they just have one version of Windows....

...wait... cut down version of the OS? I can't install Chrome? Sublime? I have to presumably buy a full version of Windows at Retail price?

New OS: ridiculous. More cluttered BS. Make one OS, MS.

So it comes with a locked-down version of Windows.

Good grief. Do you people even read? And this is just from the 1st comments page. Not going to bother going through the other 13.

It's a pared down, locked down version of Win10 because that is the intended purpose in an education setting. A sandboxed desktop environment.

It's not meant for you or the average consumer.
 
I'll give it to Panos Panay. The 4 colors are an obvious sign that Apple's iPhone strategy works. Now everything must come in blingy-blingy colors instead just normal black/silver.
 
Good grief. Do you people even read? And this is just from the 1st comments page. Not going to bother going through the other 13.

It's a pared down, locked down version on Win10 because that is the intended purpose in an education setting. A sandboxed desktop environment.

It's not meant for you or the average consumer.
For education, you still need to be able to install software.
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Yet sales increased by 100% since Microsoft owned Mojang, refuting your narrative that they ruined it.
I don't care about the sales. I'm don't own any stocks related to Minecraft sales, so they do not matter to me. The game was much more fun when Mojang ran it, and now it's over. IDK who's still playing it, probably all the elementary school kids who are just getting into video games.
 
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