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Microsoft Developing Dual-Screen 'Pocketable' Surface Device

Axriel said:
Windows 10 already implements UWP which is this exact thing!
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Have not been keeping up with UWP development, however does it scale up and down when it detects the hardware is in different orientation/mode, i.e. phone, tablet, laptop/desktop. Or is an app/game that is designed with the laptop/desktop mode/layout as default and tries to squeeze the UI/UX into a small screen while still requiring an x86 chip to run.

What I am proposing is an app/game that detects the screen size and device mode and adjusts its UI/UX and it’s functionality mode to scale up and down as required in real-time by the user.

For example, presently many Android/Windows apps and some iOS apps/games are just scaled iPhone apps. Not designed for a tablet or laptop/desktop. Some apps are poorly designed laptop/desktop apps that are not optimized to run on a tablet, let alone phone.

This concept, would temporarily omit certain features/function/capability of an app while in phone mode, switch to tablet mode, more capabilities/features/functions are available, this will expand on the laptop/desktop mode.

Is UWP the same concept. The description mentions while on a docking station, does it share or handoff capabilities when docked. Does the dock have a cpu, etc?
 
Bring it on Apple......we're waiting with open arms. If Microsoft can do it then why not you
 
Abazigal said:
Because one man’s dumb OS is another man’s productivity lifeline. I don’t see the point of trying to run a desktop OS on a device with a screen that small, much less when you will be lacking access to desktop peripherals such as a keyboard and mouse, no less.
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There are many people in this world who buy all sorts of devices that you or I may not see a need for nor think practical but that is the beauty of this world, such variety.

Who are we to try to impose our views of the world on others.

It wasn't all that long ago that Steve Jobs said there was no need for a bigger screen and no need for a stylus.
And I know from your posts that you are glad that Apple made a larger screen device - iPad with a sylus - the Apple pencil.
 
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dilbert99 said:
There are many people in this world who buy all sorts of devices that you or I may not see a need for nor think practical but that is the beauty of this world, such variety.

Who are we to try to impose our views of the world on others.

It wasn't all that long ago that Steve Jobs said there was no need for a bigger screen and no need for a stylus.
And I know from your posts that you are glad that Apple made a larger screen device - iPad with a sylus - the Apple pencil.
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No doubt, but we can still debate on the respective pros and cons of said device.

Assuming Microsoft can somehow slim down the bezels, we are looking at a tablet roughly the size of an iPad mini when unfolded. I honestly think that is still way too small to run a full desktop interface, much less hope to be productive on it.
 
Abazigal said:
No doubt, but we can still debate on the respective pros and cons of said device.

Assuming Microsoft can somehow slim down the bezels, we are looking at a tablet roughly the size of an iPad mini when unfolded. I honestly think that is still way too small to run a full desktop interface, much less hope to be productive on it.
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I don't think people when using a small screen would be using a full desktop experience, more something like the iPad with single or split screen apps.
 
dilbert99 said:
I don't think people when using a small screen would be using a full desktop experience, more something like the iPad with single or split screen apps.
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I wonder how that’s going to work, considering that Microsoft and android both have all but lost the tablet market.
 
Abazigal said:
I wonder how that’s going to work, considering that Microsoft and android both have all but lost the tablet market.
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I believe 2in1 devices may seem to be the future, as chromebooks are selling like hot cakes, and are what the majority of the education system uses. It serves as a computer, while being able to be used as a tablet as well, and has a much more robust operating system than what Apple provides for it's iPads. I mean like REAL multitasking, and being able to have several apps opened, which don't need to be refreshed and what not.
 
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dilbert99 said:
As an Apple customer myself, I fail to see the point of fanbois on here making loaded statements like that.
Can't everyone just get along?
Competition is good for everyone, without it things stagnate.
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I don’t see what’s wrong with calling a spade a spade.

The tablet and smartwatch markets pretty much belong to Apple. There is really little point in dancing around this point. If Microsoft wants to make a play for that market, they will need something more than just a pretty form factor. Else, you run into the same issues that windows mobile had before - which was that nobody was making UWP apps because the desktop just didn’t need them.

Of course competition is good. Question is - what exactly is Microsoft doing different here to actually be a worthy competitor, rather than it being a case of showing up just for the sake of showing up?
 
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Abazigal said:
I don’t see what’s wrong with calling a spade a spade.

The tablet and smartwatch markets pretty much belong to Apple. There is really little point in dancing around this point. If Microsoft wants to make a play for that market, they will need something more than just a pretty form factor. Else, you run into the same issues that windows mobile had before - which was that nobody was making UWP apps because the desktop just didn’t need them.

Of course competition is good. Question is - what exactly is Microsoft doing different here to actually be a worthy competitor, rather than it being a case of showing up just for the sake of showing up?
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Problem is you didn't call a spade a spade and your tone above also highlights that.

You do realise that Apple is not the only gig in town selling products and to state it like they are all that matters does a dis-service to customers of all the other companies out there.
 
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dilbert99 said:
Problem is you didn't call a spade a spade and your tone above also highlights that. You sound very much like an Apple fanboi.
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Okay, take it that I misspoke and let’s start over again.

What part of my statement was false and what was untrue about it?

I notice there seems to be this trend in this forum where anything that Apple does is automatically treated with immense skepticism (like the Apple Watch and airpods, which went on to become successes despite all the criticism hurled on them), while also being unusually bullish on whatever the competition does (like that surface studio desktop or voice assistants, which got a lot of attention simply because it was something Apple wasn’t actively involved in, even though it’s now starting to become clear that this isn’t some new paradigm of computing).

I don’t think this is about fanboyism at all, but moreso about double standards. Apple is being graded on a scale and the reactions here point to that, IMO. Why is it acceptable, celebrated even, to be so negative about Apple but apparently taboo to be upbeat about what they are doing?

I don’t understand.
 
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Abazigal said:
Okay, take it that I misspoke and let’s start over again.

What part of my statement was false and what was untrue about it?

I notice there seems to be this trend in this forum where anything that Apple does is automatically treated with immense skepticism (like the Apple Watch and airpods, which went on to become successes despite all the criticism hurled on them), while also being unusually bullish on whatever the competition does (like that surface studio desktop or voice assistants, which got a lot of attention simply because it was something Apple wasn’t actively involved in, even though it’s now starting to become clear that this isn’t some new paradigm of computing).

I don’t think this is about fanboyism at all, but moreso about double standards. Apple is being graded on a scale and the reactions here point to that, IMO. Why is it acceptable, celebrated even, to be so negative about Apple but apparently taboo to be upbeat about what they are doing?

I don’t understand.
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Its your tone when putting others down because they may choose a product that does not come from Apple.
 
dilbert99 said:
Its your tone when putting others down because they may choose a product that does not come from Apple.
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I targeted the product, not its users (or potential users), and highlighted the potential flaws and challenges it would face.

And this is somehow being interpreted as an attack on other people?

Okay...
 
Abazigal said:
I targeted the product, not its users (or potential users), and highlighted the potential flaws and challenges it would face.

And this is somehow being interpreted as an attack on other people?

Okay...
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Its your tone, like,
Okay...
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Or I said
I don't think people when using a small screen would be using a full desktop experience, more something like the iPad with single or split screen apps.
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you said
I wonder how that’s going to work, considering that Microsoft and android both have all but lost the tablet market.
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It was a condescending remark.
 
dilbert99 said:
Its your tone, like,

It was a condescending remark.
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Yeah, aimed at the product.

“I wonder how that’s supposed to work”, where “that” refers to Microsoft’s attempt at pushing a tablet device in a market largely dominated by iPads.

At no point was it ever targeted at the users.
 
Regime2008 said:
I believe 2in1 devices may seem to be the future, as chromebooks are selling like hot cakes, and are what the majority of the education system uses. It serves as a computer, while being able to be used as a tablet as well, and has a much more robust operating system than what Apple provides for it's iPads. I mean like REAL multitasking, and being able to have several apps opened, which don't need to be refreshed and what not.
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There is definitely a market for laptop/tablet 2-in-1s and Chromebooks.

But this Microsoft device is neither of those things.

I mean... it's cool that it unfolds to essentially double its screen size... but it still won't have the screen real-estate of a traditional tablet or laptop.

And since it's not a phone... you'll still have to carry a phone for... ummm... phone duties.

So as I've said a couple times in this thread... I'm having a difficult time figuring out where a device like this fits.

It's phone-sized when folded... but you'll have to carry it and your phone.

But if you don't intend to carry it... why not just use a regular laptop/tablet/Chromebook at home or the office?
 
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Abazigal said:
Yeah, aimed at the product.

“I wonder how that’s supposed to work”, where “that” refers to Microsoft’s attempt at pushing a tablet device in a market largely dominated by iPads.

At no point was it ever targeted at the users.
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You say that, but it was in response to something that I said, so that is the way I take it. its the choice of words you use.

I wonder how that's supposed to work
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is not a positive statement. it is making a dig.
Its like saying Apple are the only ones who can make products that are any good and by inference, it says my choices are bad choices.
 
dilbert99 said:
You say that, but it was in response to something that I said, so that is the way I take it. its the choice of words you use.
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Well, I can’t control how other people choose to interpret my words, and I maintain that has always been my original messaging, and that nothing has changed.

is not a positive statement. it is making a dig.
Its like saying Apple are the only ones who can make products that are any good and by inference, it says my choices are bad choices.
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I think you are just being oversensitive here.
 
Abazigal said:
Well, I can’t control how other people choose to interpret my words, and I maintain that has always been my original messaging, and that nothing has changed.


I think you are just being oversensitive here.
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Perhaps, but your tone is often Apple are the only one who can make great products which is clearly not the case.
 
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